50 point RHD who is 6;3. Sure...
- RogerRoeper

Gardiner had 52 pts year before & 30 pts this year missing 20 games, is he a 1st pairing dman just bc of pts?

I think I speak for all Jets fans when I say we got Pi-ONKED by Gorton!

50 point RHD who is 6;3. Sure...
- RogerRoeper

this....if anything I think he's underrated

Gardiner had 52 pts year before & 30 pts this year missing 20 games, is he a 1st pairing dman just bc of pts?
- Hell_Bent

trouba is a physical beast who plays well in his own end....gardiner is a pylon who makes horrible decisions in his own end about 75% of the time

....and they put up similar point totals

as far as I can tell, the only reason trouba isn't considered a top 10 dman in the league is his apparent attitude issues

trouba is a physical beast who plays well in his own end....gardiner is a pylon who makes horrible decisions in his own end about 75% of the time

....and they put up similar point totals

as far as I can tell, the only reason trouba isn't considered a top 10 dman in the league is his apparent attitude issues
- sensarmy_11

I know what Trouba & Gardiner are as players, I was only referencing bc poster brought up pts as a reasoning of a #1 dman
I like Trouba wanted him on my team yrs ago, but with contract demands etc plus the maturation of Pulock/Mayfield & drafted kids im ok now

I know what Trouba & Gardiner are as players, I was only referencing bc poster brought up pts as a reasoning of a #1 dman
I like Trouba wanted him on my team yrs ago, but with contract demands etc plus the maturation of Pulock/Mayfield & drafted kids im ok now
- Hell_Bent

to be fair, he brought up points, his size (which I think was indirectly speaking to his physicality), and the fact that he's a RHD (which is much mover valuable at this time than a LHD)............but I see what you're saying.

I like a lot of people am perplexed by this trade. On paper it seems the Jets gave him away for Pionk. Does anyone know what type of player the Jets are getting in him?
- islansjet

chevy has got it all under control.

bestest gm in teh league

I know what Trouba & Gardiner are as players, I was only referencing bc poster brought up pts as a reasoning of a #1 dman
I like Trouba wanted him on my team yrs ago, but with contract demands etc plus the maturation of Pulock/Mayfield & drafted kids im ok now
- Hell_Bent

to be fair, he brought up points, his size (which I think was indirectly speaking to his physicality), and the fact that he's a RHD (which is much mover valuable at this time than a LHD)............but I see what you're saying.

chevy has got it all under control.

bestest gm in teh league
- Tumbleweed

Based on his past few moves and his poor asset management, I would challenge you on this.

to be fair, he brought up points, his size (which I think was indirectly speaking to his physicality), and the fact that he's a RHD (which is much mover valuable at this time than a LHD)............but I see what you're saying.
- sensarmy_11

I watch tonnes of Jets hockey, Trouba is not as physical as he should be. He turns the puck over lots. I think Morrissey really helped him clean up his game. Trouba also did not look comfortable on the power play.

With all that said, Trouba was an analytics darling. I am curious to see if his points per 60 remains high. His points per 60 were high in Winnipeg due to constantly being put on the ice with Scheifele and Wheeler.

I like a lot of people am perplexed by this trade. On paper it seems the Jets gave him away for Pionk. Does anyone know what type of player the Jets are getting in him?
- islansjet

I found it perplexing that you thought that Hall, Severson and a second was not enough for Trouba Ehlers and Lowry.

Ehlers and 20th to Philly for Ghost and 11th.

too soon for more trades fellow Jets fans

trouba is a physical beast who plays well in his own end....gardiner is a pylon who makes horrible decisions in his own end about 75% of the time

....and they put up similar point totals

as far as I can tell, the only reason trouba isn't considered a top 10 dman in the league is his apparent attitude issues
- sensarmy_11

I agree with Ultimate, Trouba was not as physical as a lot of non-Jets fans seem to think. He also does not play that well in his own end, lots of giveaways and poor puck management. Morrissey covered up a lot of his mistakes. Also, Trouba running a PP was not a thing of beauty. Teams had no respect for his shot, so they could play the pass.

I think Pionk will be a good 3rd pair guy on the right hand side. I'm not sold that he can be top 4. I think he may have to be sheltered a bit.

Gardiner had 52 pts year before & 30 pts this year missing 20 games, is he a 1st pairing dman just bc of pts?
- Hell_Bent

Trouba has been deployed in a primarily defensive shut down role. He did get some PP time this year. Gardiner has not been deployed as a shut down d.

Trouba is not the guy you want running your power play.

Interesting Pionck is undrafted and signed as a college tryout.

We don’t know much about this kid yet but looks like he has clawed his way into the league and wasn’t a ranked draft pick. Typically these kind of guys have to work their @$$’s off and respond to the challenge. Case in point, Vanvleet the Raptors.

Trying to find positives. Certainly expected a bit more.
- CharlieDog

^^ a lot of this.
And, a little bit of... Yes, Pionk is not Trouba. But, as others have pointed out or hypothesized about, he is also a hard-working, team-first, young, cost controlled RHD.
Pionk was thrown into the deep-end last season due to NYR not having ANY defensemen play well. He averaged 21:30 of icetime last season after only having played 28 games prior to that.
He may never live up to the pressure this deal creates. But, if brought along in a more reasonable situation with some sheltering and tutoring, he may very well become more than expected.

Too bad that there wasn't any exploration during the year of line makeups revolving around splitting up Scheifele and Wheeler. Could have been all that was needed to create more production throughout the lineup and make the Jets a harder team to defend against.

I really dislike hearing the Ehlers rumors, this seems like a sure way for Chevy to get fleeced trading away Ehlers after an off year. Cupboard is getting bare.. Lost four future assets in two years trying to rectify the same issue..

On a more positive note...

What are the chances that Chevy believes that at least two of Poolman, Niku and Stanley are ready to step in this season?

Make a package surrounding Perreault and say Roslovic or Appleton for a #2 Center?

^^ a lot of this.
And, a little bit of... Yes, Pionk is not Trouba. But, as others have pointed out or hypothesized about, he is also a hard-working, team-first, young, cost controlled RHD.
Pionk was thrown into the deep-end last season due to NYR not having ANY defensemen play well. He averaged 21:30 of icetime last season after only having played 28 games prior to that.
He may never live up to the pressure this deal creates. But, if brought along in a more reasonable situation with some sheltering and tutoring, he may very well become more than expected.
- Tonybere

I think its fair to say that fan expectations of Pionk are low. That should reduce pressure on him. On the other hand if we had got Ghost in return we would expect some production.

Who gives a Northend (frank) about the pick though. Aren’t they in win now mode?
- Byfuglien Ate Me

No, there is no immediate rush to stack the deck today. Scheiffs, Connor, Laine, Morrissey, Helle, Niku, Vesalainan, Raslovic, Ehlers should be more than enough core players to contend for the next 6 years or so. And the only way to keep this team a regular contender is to have some quality entry level contracts keeping this team cap compliant. Every winning team has some major contributors on entry level deals.

Good Trade,

Now please rid yourselves of Kulikov, Little, and Perrault to free up another 13.75M AAV and lock this young core up for the long haul!!!!

Based on his past few moves and his poor asset management, I would challenge you on this.
- TheUltimateJet

This will all make a lot more sense once pionk signs for $4m.

Ehlers and 20th to Philly for Ghost and 11th.

too soon for more trades fellow Jets fans
- BWJumper

At this point anything is possible. Looking at the returns that top RHD have gotten in the past few years make one think.

Seth Jones got Nashville Ryan Johannson
Adam Larsson got New Jersey Taylor Hall
Dougie Hamilton plus a few pieces got Calgary Noah Hanifin and Elias Lindholm

and now

Jacob Trouba got the Jets Neal Pionk

Who's laughing now?

Too bad that there wasn't any exploration during the year of line makeups revolving around splitting up Scheifele and Wheeler. Could have been all that was needed to create more production throughout the lineup and make the Jets a harder team to defend against.

I really dislike hearing the Ehlers rumors, this seems like a sure way for Chevy to get fleeced trading away Ehlers after an off year. Cupboard is getting bare.. Lost four future assets in two years trying to rectify the same issue..

On a more positive note...

What are the chances that Chevy believes that at least two of Poolman, Niku and Stanley are ready to step in this season?

Make a package surrounding Perreault and say Roslovic or Appleton for a #2 Center?
- HeyThereGuy

Forget Poolman, Niku and Stanley. I am looking forward to a future defensive pairing of: Simon Bourque and Neal Pionk!

Apparently Chevy Chirella isn't finished yet, and has a lot of balls in the air.

What to expect now? Ehlers get traded for _______ because his contract is too good?

Hard not to be cynical after Chevy lolly gags for 4 years when he knows the guy doesn't want to sign here. Rangers must just be laughing at this lopsided affair.

2 years to fix a 2 line center issue and he hands out a 5 year extension to Little and gives away a top pairing Dman? Please fire him now, and hire someone, anyone, even a poster off of HB.

Here are some good GM candidates:
Rexy, Ross77, Pete, Ultimate, me, Jetsnation, anyone standing on the street corner,...........unfrickin real

Apparently Chevy Chirella isn't finished yet, and has a lot of balls in the air.

What to expect now? Ehlers get traded for _______ because his contract is too good?

Hard not to be cynical after Chevy lolly gags for 4 years when he knows the guy doesn't want to sign here. Rangers must just be laughing at this lopsided affair.

2 years to fix a 2 line center issue and he hands out a 5 year extension to Little and gives away a top pairing Dman? Please fire him now, and hire someone, anyone, even a poster off of HB.

Here are some good GM candidates:
Rexy, Ross77, Pete, Ultimate, me, Jetsnation, anyone standing on the street corner,...........unfrickin real
- CharlieDog

Hire all of them to be a GM committee. Nothing would get done, but I would watch the behind the scenes tv show the Jets could produce.

Hire all of them to be a GM committee. Nothing would get done, but I would watch the behind the scenes tv show the Jets could produce.
- BWJumper

Sorry I didn't recommend you, its nothing personal, you would be ok as well. The fact that this has been going on for 4 years is ridiculous and you wind up with your 1st round pick that you gave away is just awful.

When Chevy does his next press conference, he should come with a bag on his head.