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Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jun 19 @ 12:39 PM ET
The League will respond to this by suspending Kadri.
- Aetherial


Well deserved.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Jun 19 @ 12:39 PM ET
If he retires cap hit stays, cause it's an over 35 contract, but they could trade the contract to team that needs to get to the cap floor
- bobbyisno1


Mutual termination not retirement.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jun 19 @ 12:40 PM ET
Mutual termination not retirement.
- The Law


These rarely happen.

Unless the player wants to go to the KHL or you're a classy guy like Tomas Plekanec.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 19 @ 12:42 PM ET
I'm just going to throw this out here again:

July 2nd: mutual agreement to terminate contract.

Marleau walks away with $1.5 million, leaving $2.75 million on the table.

He becomes a UFA, signs with San Jose for $1 million.

Leafs get cap relief.

Marleau gets to move to San Jose (losing only $1.75 million).

San Jose gets Marleau for cheap.

Vancouver Canucks fans lose their poop.

It's a win-win-win-win.

As far as I know, the CBA requires the cap hit to stay if the player retires.

I do not believe that they included anything about mutual agreement to terminate (remember - this was inserted in the CBA in 2005, when they wrote up the thing in 20 minutes, and GMs found loophole after loophole after loophole).

- Atomic Wedgie


Is this even a real, possible thing?
bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Jun 19 @ 12:43 PM ET
Mutual termination not retirement.
- The Law

But is he allowed to sign another contract after that?
bryant
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.28.2011

Jun 19 @ 12:43 PM ET
so much sense ....he takes his 1.5 taking his 2 yr tally from the Leafs to 17.5 milly ..not bad.

And he gets to head home and hand out resumes along the west coast. He'll get a couple milly if he wants meaning he's lost almost nothing.

He gets exactly what he wants and the Leafs get to piss off the Canuck fans again.

Why isn't this done more often?

- The Law

The only downfall is that we’ll have to credit wedgie with breaking this story.

It’s going to go straight to his head.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jun 19 @ 12:44 PM ET
But is he allowed to sign another contract after that?
- bobbyisno1


I believe he would be, yes.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jun 19 @ 12:44 PM ET
The only downfall is that we’ll have to credit wedgie with breaking this story.

It’s going to go straight to his head.

- bryant


We could all deny his post ever happened.

Kinda like how there was no Stanley cup winner in 2011.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Jun 19 @ 12:44 PM ET
These rarely happen.

Unless the player wants to go to the KHL or you're a classy guy like Tomas Plekanec.

- Scabeh


Berglund and Pleks recently ...Marleau's deal looks like it's possible too. ...so maybe.
bryant
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.28.2011

Jun 19 @ 12:46 PM ET
Perry could be an interesting pickup.

10 pts in 31 games. Kind of like nylander trying to join in after months of not playing. Only difference is perry is coming off a knee surgery.

If he is fully healed he could be a great pickup.
bryant
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.28.2011

Jun 19 @ 12:48 PM ET
Berglund and Pleks recently ...Marleau's deal looks like it's possible too. ...so maybe.
- The Law

Both those guys didn’t play in the nhl right after.

Might be some red tape they have to go through first.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Jun 19 @ 12:48 PM ET
I'm just going to throw this out here again:

July 2nd: mutual agreement to terminate contract.

Marleau walks away with $1.5 million, leaving $2.75 million on the table.

He becomes a UFA, signs with San Jose for $1 million.

Leafs get cap relief.

Marleau gets to move to San Jose (losing only $1.75 million).

San Jose gets Marleau for cheap.

Vancouver Canucks fans lose their poop.

It's a win-win-win-win.

As far as I know, the CBA requires the cap hit to stay if the player retires.

I do not believe that they included anything about mutual agreement to terminate (remember - this was inserted in the CBA in 2005, when they wrote up the thing in 20 minutes, and GMs found loophole after loophole after loophole).

- Atomic Wedgie


Listen, Wedgie. You've thrown this very clever idea out there before. I like it. I also hate it because it gets my hopes up.

It is my experience that while other teams do this, the Leafs can't. Remember when Burke made that trade with Tampa involving Kolzig to basically buy a 4th?
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jun 19 @ 12:48 PM ET
An interesting thing about those signings . . . EvolvingWild's contract projection model had Hayes at $6.7m on a 7 year term.

It had Karlsson at $9.9mx8.

It had Skinner at $8.5mx8.

For Skinner and Hayes, that's a 5% projected variance, and for Karlsson, that's an 11% projected variance.

It's not off by much.

They have Marner @ 9.8m. If there's a 5% variance, it puts him around $10.4m.

BTW, we collectively had projected Marner at $10.1m over 6 years from your exercise.

- Monkeypunk


I'm pretty sure I said it'll probably be $10.5 for 6 years on that.

I still think he shouldn't get that much, but it's what I see happening.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Jun 19 @ 12:50 PM ET
Mould him into a gritty 3C and PK’er.

Let Kadri ride with Matthews or Tavares.

- Arctic_AARDVARK



Mould who...?
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jun 19 @ 12:51 PM ET
so much sense ....he takes his 1.5 taking his 2 yr tally from the Leafs to 17.5 milly ..not bad.

And he gets to head home and hand out resumes along the west coast. He'll get a couple milly if he wants meaning he's lost almost nothing.

He gets exactly what he wants and the Leafs get to piss off the Canuck fans again.

Why isn't this done more often?

- The Law


No idea. It really should be, though.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 19 @ 12:51 PM ET
Perry could be an interesting pickup.

10 pts in 31 games. Kind of like nylander trying to join in after months of not playing. Only difference is perry is coming off a knee surgery.

If he is fully healed he could be a great pickup.

- bryant


Feels like a great fit for the Loilers
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jun 19 @ 12:51 PM ET
We could all deny his post ever happened.

Kinda like how there was no Stanley cup winner in 2011.

- Scabeh


Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Jun 19 @ 12:52 PM ET
An interesting thing about those signings . . . EvolvingWild's contract projection model had Hayes at $6.7m on a 7 year term.

It had Karlsson at $9.9mx8.

It had Skinner at $8.5mx8.

For Skinner and Hayes, that's a 5% projected variance, and for Karlsson, that's an 11% projected variance.

It's not off by much.

They have Marner @ 9.8m. If there's a 5% variance, it puts him around $10.4m.

BTW, we collectively had projected Marner at $10.1m over 6 years from your exercise.

- Monkeypunk

Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Jun 19 @ 12:52 PM ET
Mould who...?
- bixll

Patrick
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jun 19 @ 12:53 PM ET
Mould who...?
- bixll


Nolan Patrick
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Jun 19 @ 12:53 PM ET
Patrick
- Arctic_AARDVARK


Patrick who

The one named player....
bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Jun 19 @ 12:57 PM ET
Patrick who

The one named player....

- bixll

Look up, look way up....
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Jun 19 @ 12:58 PM ET
I'm just going to throw this out here again:

July 2nd: mutual agreement to terminate contract.

Marleau walks away with $1.5 million, leaving $2.75 million on the table.

He becomes a UFA, signs with San Jose for $1 million.

Leafs get cap relief.

Marleau gets to move to San Jose (losing only $1.75 million).

San Jose gets Marleau for cheap.

Vancouver Canucks fans lose their poop.

It's a win-win-win-win.

As far as I know, the CBA requires the cap hit to stay if the player retires.

I do not believe that they included anything about mutual agreement to terminate (remember - this was inserted in the CBA in 2005, when they wrote up the thing in 20 minutes, and GMs found loophole after loophole after loophole).

- Atomic Wedgie

I feel if this could be done, it would be done on almost a yearly basis by teams.
Something tells me it wouldnt be this simple.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 19 @ 12:59 PM ET
I feel if this could be done, it would be done on almost a yearly basis by teams.
Something tells me it wouldnt be this simple.

- Fakepartofme



Well, it actually HAS been done a few times. Mike Richards for example.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Jun 19 @ 1:00 PM ET
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Hearing former TOR assistant Jim Hiller will be joining NYI coaching staff. A Lamoriello favourite.
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