Well, it actually HAS been done a few times. Mike Richards for example.
- prock

Plekanec last season.

I kind of feel like the ELC max amounts need to double. Just to keep them in line with the max salary.

the salary figures are getting out of whack, and with a cap, it has to come from somewhere. I wonder if this would perhaps have the unexpected side effect of stopping teams from giving ridiculous contracts to 50 point players.

Well, it actually HAS been done a few times. Mike Richards for example.
- prock

Yeah dont think that was mutual.

Pencil in Perry. He’s a Leaf on the 1st.

Look up, look way up....
- bobbyisno1

Then No again.

While whistling the Friendly Giant thingy

Plekanec last season.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I think this is the problem:

From CapFriendly: https://twitter.com/CapFr.../1075481378081378305?s=20

"We'd like to clarify a point from our previous tweet in which we refer to Berglund's contract termination as being "mutual", based on info we've received.

Contract termination is almost never mutual, in that the player is not required to sign-off on his own termination.

Unconditional waiver placements are almost always the result of a breach of contract (in this case, failing to report).

At this point the player is aware that if he does not report by a certain date, the club will place him on unconditional waivers for the purpose of termination.

The player then takes the decision to either report to the club or accept that his contract will be terminated.

However, once the player clears waivers, and the club has officially terminated the contract, the player and his agent can challenge the violation outlined by the club for breach of contract, as well as the right to file a grievance with the players association."

What I don't know is this: Because Marleau has an NMC, can he be placed on waivers with his permission, or is it strictly forbidden by the clause itself?

I'm pretty sure I said it'll probably be $10.5 for 6 years on that.

I still think he shouldn't get that much, but it's what I see happening.
- GreatGigInTheSky

10.6 is the four-1sts compensation for an offer sheet.

The Leafs should not go above that.

Pencil in Perry. He’s a Leaf on the 1st.
- DrunkenCanuck

pto's usually don't happen until September

pto's usually don't happen until September
- Tumbleweed

I will let Matt Hunwick know.

I think this is the problem:

From CapFriendly: https://twitter.com/CapFr.../1075481378081378305?s=20

"We'd like to clarify a point from our previous tweet in which we refer to Berglund's contract termination as being "mutual", based on info we've received.

Contract termination is almost never mutual, in that the player is not required to sign-off on his own termination.

Unconditional waiver placements are almost always the result of a breach of contract (in this case, failing to report).

At this point the player is aware that if he does not report by a certain date, the club will place him on unconditional waivers for the purpose of termination.

The player then takes the decision to either report to the club or accept that his contract will be terminated.

However, once the player clears waivers, and the club has officially terminated the contract, the player and his agent can challenge the violation outlined by the club for breach of contract, as well as the right to file a grievance with the players association."

What I don't know is this: Because Marleau has an NMC, can he be placed on waivers with his permission, or is it strictly forbidden by the clause itself?
- Monkeypunk

Very good question.

I guess Marleau could lift it?

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- GreatGigInTheSky

Take Marner with you

Well, it actually HAS been done a few times. Mike Richards for example.
- prock

Yes, and the kings have him on the books until 2031 or something crazy like that.
I think the recapture penalty for him this year was 1.3m.
So no this is not what the leafs want

Very good question.

I guess Marleau could lift it?
- Scabeh

I am guessing in a situation where the Leafs are intending to terminate for "break of contract" *wink*, that the NMC would not apply to unconditional waivers with the intention to terminate.

Otherwise, any player with a NMC could do whatever the F they wanted.

If he retires cap hit stays, cause it's an over 35 contract, but they could trade the contract to team that needs to get to the cap floor
- bobbyisno1

He's not retiring.

It's a mutual agreement to termination of contract. It's not the same as retirement.

That's the

Wedgie loophole ™

Yes, and the kings have him on the books until 2031 or something crazy like that.
I think the recapture penalty for him this year was 1.3m.
So no this is not what the leafs want
- Fakepartofme

Yeah, something tells me this mutual termination thing is not possible to get completely out from under the cap hit.

He's not retiring.

It's a mutual agreement to termination of contract. It's not the same as retirement.

That's the

Wedgie loophole ™

- Atomic Wedgie

*disbelieves*

Marner to sign with Clippers, taking them out of the running for Kawhi.

These rarely happen.

Unless the player wants to go to the KHL or you're a classy guy like Tomas Plekanec.
- Scabeh

Habs have done it at least 3 times.

Marner to sign with Clippers, taking them out of the running for Kawhi.
- BINGO!

would suck to lose Marner, I was hoping for a top Line of Marner-Leonard-Vlad Jr

Yes, and the kings have him on the books until 2031 or something crazy like that.
I think the recapture penalty for him this year was 1.3m.
So no this is not what the leafs want
- Fakepartofme

That's different for a number of reasons.

(1) Richards contract was a cap circumvention contract that carried the recapture penalty in it. There was no avoiding this clause regardless of how the contract was terminated.

(2) The Kings terminated the contract for a material breach of conduct. It wasn't a mutual termination at all. They did try and weasel out of the cap hit, but there was a settlement with the player and the league which is why you see a cap hit.

The citation to use would be Berglund or Plekanec who both had mutually terminated contracts that were agreed upon between the player and the team.

Marner to sign with Clippers, taking them out of the running for Kawhi.
- BINGO!

Will you hurry up and sign the Nylander for Pesce trade papers already? I sent them to your secretary days ago..

I think this is the problem:

From CapFriendly: https://twitter.com/CapFr.../1075481378081378305?s=20

"We'd like to clarify a point from our previous tweet in which we refer to Berglund's contract termination as being "mutual", based on info we've received.

Contract termination is almost never mutual, in that the player is not required to sign-off on his own termination.

Unconditional waiver placements are almost always the result of a breach of contract (in this case, failing to report).

At this point the player is aware that if he does not report by a certain date, the club will place him on unconditional waivers for the purpose of termination.

The player then takes the decision to either report to the club or accept that his contract will be terminated.

However, once the player clears waivers, and the club has officially terminated the contract, the player and his agent can challenge the violation outlined by the club for breach of contract, as well as the right to file a grievance with the players association."

What I don't know is this: Because Marleau has an NMC, can he be placed on waivers with his permission, or is it strictly forbidden by the clause itself?
- Monkeypunk

Not a problem at all.

1) Just because most players don't agree to mutual termination does not mean that Marleau can't agree to it. And after putting on my blue glasses and chugging a litre of blue Kool-Aid, I firmly believe that Marleau would want to do this - it's his best bet at getting back to San Jose.

2) He absolutely, positively is able to waive his NMC to be put on waivers.

@DarrenDreger
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Jesse Puljujarvi has made it clear to the Edmonton Oilers he wants to be traded. He wants a fresh start to his young NHL career. It’s believed the Oilers are willing to accommodate, but won’t give him away and intend on being patient in finding a right fit.

Zaitseiv + Brown for Puljuijarvi + Benning

book it

Not a problem at all.

1) Just because most players don't agree to mutual termination does not mean that Marleau can't agree to it. And after putting on my blue glasses and chugging a litre of blue Kool-Aid, I firmly believe that Marleau would want to do this - it's his best bet at getting back to San Jose.

2) He absolutely, positively is able to waive his NMC to be put on waivers.
- Atomic Wedgie

I absolutely agree with you. If Marleau wants out of Toronto and Toronto is happy to let him go, then a mutual termination can occur. That much is clear.

The only thing I didn't know was if the NMC was binding or if the player had control over it. If you're right, then the only thing that would stop this from happening is Marleau.

@DarrenDreger
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Jesse Puljujarvi has made it clear to the Edmonton Oilers he wants to be traded. He wants a fresh start to his young NHL career. It’s believed the Oilers are willing to accommodate, but won’t give him away and intend on being patient in finding a right fit.

Zaitseiv + Brown for Puljuijarvi + Benning

book it
- MCharisma91

i saw this on twitter also

that about 6.6 out and 3-3.5 in?