I vote Brandon Pirri for your third line question mark 😁
- dubc55

Sign me up. Dude is good

Like what?

Bottom 6 forwards who can score 30 points with no PP time and be one of your lead Pkers aren't actually cheap to acquire, and you want to let one walk for nothing if he gets $2.3m because you arbitrarily decided $2m was the limit.
- Feanor

will he score 30 on the 4th line? last year he was on the 3rd line. Either way you dont let him walk for nothing.

raffl-laughton-hartman

So as of today they need to fill out 1 winger and 1 bench forward correct? the 13th fwd should be someone making league min. Hell just resign ghoulbourne for that role
- daryl stanley

Hopefully the 13th forward spot goes to NAK or Vorobyov

The guys I listed I feel have the best shot at seeing the NHL out of all the prospects...most of them will never wear a Flyer sweater.

You seem to be missing the point that there are only 23 roster spots available and 20-21 players dressed for a game. The Flyers cup board is filled and they still have this years draft and next years draft and the following years draft. The whole point of "filling the cup board" is to have assets to use to fill positions of need. I know it's weird to think, but players have a longer expiration than just 1 year...I mean Giroux is at 12 years!!! You don't have to swap out the whole team every year.

Plus you keep assuming Braun is guaranteed only to be here for 1 year to fit the narrative.

Now stop acting like the team's future is depleted because they traded 2 draft picks.
- Glak18

My whole premise was that to keep a period of sustained winning you need to have good prospects in the pipeline to fill in on ELC's and that in concept will allow you to re-sign your good players who are due for an uptick in pay.

That you continue to argue that and seem to defend the Braun trade shows where you are at in terms of understanding of how to carry out sustained winning in the NHL *hint: not good

You believe in a roster and want a 3 year window of winning, maybe 4 or 5 if things break right, sure, deplete your farm system and find some roster players. But that will typically come with a long period of re-building. Want to carry out sustained winning? Make sure to have a good amount of picks and a good scouting department.

Winnipeg literally traded Jacob Trouba for their own draft pick
- AllInForFlyers

They got two assets for a guy they were going to lose to free agency in a year.

That's nothing like your proposed move of abandoning an asset entirely over apretty small amount of money.

Unless there is an amnesty buyout in the next lockout, there aren't going to be any buyouts of players with two or more years left on their contracts. A buyout doubles the remaining term on the deal.

Hayes very well could end up being a massively overpaid 3rd line center relative to his point production. He's making a whole lot of money for a whole lot of term. But he also could be in mutually beneficial in the lineup with Nolan Patrick in a 2A/2B setup down in the middle that creates matchup issues for opponents.

This past season, when the Flyers temporarily moved Giroux back to center for a time midway through the season so that they could put Couturier with Lindblom and Voracek (a line that thrived together), Giroux's production suffered. However, it got Patrick into favorable matchups and he had his best stretch of the season over a 13-game, 12-point stretch from Jan. 14 to Feb. 16. That's the basic idea behind the Hayes acquisition, except not at the expense of wearing out Giroux.
- bmeltzer

Bill, you’re a good man. I don’t know how you put up with this place.

Winnipeg literally traded Jacob Trouba for their own draft pick
- AllInForFlyers

How can the Flyers compete with a deal like that?

My whole premise was that to keep a period of sustained winning you need to have good prospects in the pipeline to fill in on ELC's and that in concept will allow you to re-sign your good players who are due for an uptick in pay.

That you continue to argue that and seem to defend the Braun trade shows where you are at in terms of understanding of how to carry out sustained winning in the NHL *hint: not good

You believe in a roster and want a 3 year window of winning, maybe 4 or 5 if things break right, sure, deplete your farm system and find some roster players. But that will typically come with a long period of re-building. Want to carry out sustained winning? Make sure to have a good amount of picks and a good scouting department.
- Lip_Out

But they do have a good amount of picks, a good scouting department, and good prospects in the pipeline already.

My whole premise was that to keep a period of sustained winning you need to have good prospects in the pipeline to fill in on ELC's and that in concept will allow you to re-sign your good players who are due for an uptick in pay.

That you continue to argue that and seem to defend the Braun trade shows where you are at in terms of understanding of how to carry out sustained winning in the NHL *hint: not good

You believe in a roster and want a 3 year window of winning, maybe 4 or 5 if things break right, sure, deplete your farm system and find some roster players. But that will typically come with a long period of re-building. Want to carry out sustained winning? Make sure to have a good amount of picks and a good scouting department.
- Lip_Out

You mean like Pittsburgh...

Hopefully the 13th forward spot goes to NAK or Vorobyov
- dubc55

doesnt matter either way. NAK isnt a prospect any longer and the other one is becoming more of a suspect than prospect. This is huge year for Mikey.

My whole premise was that to keep a period of sustained winning you need to have good prospects in the pipeline to fill in on ELC's and that in concept will allow you to re-sign your good players who are due for an uptick in pay.

That you continue to argue that and seem to defend the Braun trade shows where you are at in terms of understanding of how to carry out sustained winning in the NHL *hint: not good

You believe in a roster and want a 3 year window of winning, maybe 4 or 5 if things break right, sure, deplete your farm system and find some roster players. But that will typically come with a long period of re-building. Want to carry out sustained winning? Make sure to have a good amount of picks and a good scouting department.
- Lip_Out

please explain to me what sustained winning the flyers have had the last 6/7 years.

How can the Flyers compete with a deal like that?
- PLindbergh31

By hypnotizing Trouba and his lady into thinking Philly is the best place for them to live and work for the next eight years instead of New York.

You really don't seem to be able to get over the fact that players like Trouba and Panarin prefer to play elsewhere.

I could absolutely be wrong, but I just don’t see how you move Ghost’s production and that cap hit, with how this roster is looking

I honestly don’t see how you do that — even in a down year, that value exceeds what you would get in return, in my opinion

Jake Gardiner is gonna make a poop-ton of money. Who is gonna replace what Ghost does well at that price?
- AllInForFlyers

I don't disagree but it seems like Ghost is regarded by the Flyers as a 3rd pair defenseman with Myers, who is still has some learning to do, I just don't see them bringing him back and I believe alot of the Braun- Nisakenen moves was to make Ghost expendable for something else....

But they do have a good amount of picks, a good scouting department, and good prospects in the pipeline already.
- Feanor

No no no, that is too logical. Didn't you know every team's prospect pool gets reset every year....

I actually like the thought of Voracek moving back up to the top line with G and Coots again. 2nd line is interesting, Lindblom and Hayes are solid defensively whereas TK will cheat at times, but you have nice mixture of net front presences and perimeter.

Now the 3rd line depends on the other winger. JvR is better suited on the 3rd line with PP duties like he was used in Toronto. Patrick can continue to grow against reasonable match ups, but it would be nice to add a pure playmaker to that line which hopefully would force Patrick to start shooting more.
- Glak18

you would need a playmaker/possession player on the 3rd line. You have to get JVR the puck or give time for him to get to the net

They got two assets for a guy they were going to lose to free agency in a year.

That's nothing like your proposed move of abandoning an asset entirely over apretty small amount of money.
- Feanor

In your opinion it isn’t — you cannot pay every single asset. Yeah, they should seek to trade first, but let’s not act like guys haven’t been turned loose before

I don't disagree but it seems like Ghost is regarded by the Flyers as a 3rd pair defenseman with Myers, who is still has some learning to do, I just don't see them bringing him back and I believe alot of the Braun- Nisakenen moves was to make Ghost expendable for something else....
- nonpoint22

Neither of those guys are similar to Ghost. They replaced Gudas and Hagg/MacDonald.

In your opinion it isn’t — you cannot pay every single asset. Yeah, they should seek to trade first, but let’s not act like guys haven’t been turned loose before
- AllInForFlyers

25 year old RFAs coming off 30 point seasons such as who were turned loose by their teams?

You mean like Pittsburgh...


- Glak18

To make the point for a player's longevity in the NHL you've used Giroux.

To make the point on the model for winning in the NHL you've used Pittsburgh.


Why not fork over all of your monthly salary to go to the casino? I know a guy that won once.

Bill

Can you comment on how Seattle and the new TV contract could potentially factor in to the cap?

Your thoughts on a potential lock out ?

Do these issues factor into a GM thought process on signing a potential FA to a rich contract ?

Do I think it is an overpay? Yes but I also think multiple other teams would have pid it.

In some ways this contract will affect the July 1 signings.
- wcorvette

He would have got more, especially when teams started to realize they weren’t getting Duchene. I see 7 x $7.5.

Now you can debate all you’d like if you wanted the Flyers to be that team, but they had no choice after acquiring his rights. Hayes had all the leverage.

For everyone complaining about the attractiveness of the Flyers, well guess what, they got their man, who would have got more on the open market.

Wait a second.... I'm diving into the metrics on Niskanen and Braun.
These guys were basically the worst dmen on their teams last year.
Is Fletcher serious with this garbage? Holy poop I can see why Minnesota never accomplished a damn thing with this guy.
- PLindbergh31

People league wide are laughing about this deal.

For no reason. Thank god the Flyers know best.

The more things change...

But they do have a good amount of picks, a good scouting department, and good prospects in the pipeline already.
- Feanor

This whole concept is being debated in reference to the Braun trade. If you want to defend the Braun trade and advocate for similar style trades in the future, carry on.

If you'd prefer intelligent utilization of assets might want to take a different side Feanor.

I actually like the thought of Voracek moving back up to the top line with G and Coots again. 2nd line is interesting, Lindblom and Hayes are solid defensively whereas TK will cheat at times, but you have nice mixture of net front presences and perimeter.

Now the 3rd line depends on the other winger. JvR is better suited on the 3rd line with PP duties like he was used in Toronto. Patrick can continue to grow against reasonable match ups, but it would be nice to add a pure playmaker to that line which hopefully would force Patrick to start shooting more.
- Glak18

Frost

I never thought I'd see you mad at MacDonald getting bought out.
- Feanor

It has orange in it or the word Flyers he hates it..

This is known.

You mean like Pittsburgh...


- Glak18

Well yes, you could be gifted 2 generational superstars in back-to-back years, too.