please explain to me what sustained winning the flyers have had the last 6/7 years.
- daryl stanley

Expand that out to sustained winning since the Lindros era.

25 year old RFAs coming off 30 point seasons such as who were turned loose by their teams?
- Feanor

If I find it, are you gonna own that you’re wrong? Because I have time today. You sure you know it hasn’t happened?

This whole concept is being debated in reference to the Braun trade. If you want to defend the Braun trade and advocate for similar style trades in the future, carry on.

If you'd prefer intelligent utilization of assets might want to take a different side Feanor.
- Lip_Out

Do you think Braun will have any positive effect on the young dman still on the roster?

Well yes, you could be gifted 2 generational superstars in back-to-back years, too.
- jmatchett383

Uh hello Laughton and Morin in back to back years how about them apples

This is the 3rd largest contract Chuck Fletcher has ever handed out.

Suter and Parise being the only two larger ones.

Neither of those guys are similar to Ghost. They replaced Gudas and Hagg/MacDonald.
- Feanor

I don't think you see this the same way the Flyers do. I don't normally promote podcast and such but listen to the latest Snow the Goalie podcast with Anthony SanFlippio. He breaks everything down and makes perfect sense. Where they want a LHD and RHD on each point so they think of Braun as a 2nd pair D not a 3rd and for what Ghost brings he has issues defense issues, so your gonna pair him with basically a rookie in Myers at 4.5 mil. Its possible, but again listen to the pod because Anthony explains it better then me, but I do agree with what he says in this particular instance.
Provy- Niskanen
Sanheim-Braun
Myers-???
Morin

Bottom line is this imo: Hayes was going to get the deal he got with someone. If you want to debate that the flyers shouldn't have been that team then it is a legit debate.

This team is so much better than when the season ended. That is not debatable.

Do you think Braun will have any positive effect on the young dman still on the roster?
- daryl stanley

I'd have to presume the player who was the 5th-worst graded defenseman in the NHL last year in Goals Above Replacement would have an effect that doesn't even reach the ballpark of equivalent-worth to a 2nd and 3rd round pick.

People league wide are laughing about this deal.

For no reason. Thank god the Flyers know best.

The more things change...
- flyer_nutter

They do know best. They are NHL executives. Everyone else is an armchair NHL monday morning QB. Meanwhile a JVR/Luke Schenn trade woulnd't be approved on a video game.

raffl-laughton-hartman

So as of today they need to fill out 1 winger and 1 bench forward correct? the 13th fwd should be someone making league min. Hell just resign ghoulbourne for that role
- daryl stanley

Pass on Ghoul

Personally thought Knight was a great 13 forward. Raffl might end up there. But I won’t be upset if they leave that one spot up for grabs at training camp. We have a lot of prospects that are close for a 12 or 13 role.

I'd have to presume the player who was the 5th-worst graded defenseman in the NHL last year in Goals Above Replacement would have an effect that doesn't even reach the ballpark of equivalent-worth to a 2nd and 3rd round pick.
- Lip_Out

yeah i mean those picks are def future all stars. Chances of reaching the nhl great.

you have such a narrow minded view imo.

Pass on Ghoul

Personally thought Knight was a great 13 forward. Raffl might end up there. But I won’t be upset if they leave that one spot up for grabs at training camp. We have a lot of prospects that are close for a 12 or 13 role.
- NC Flyers Fan

whoever makes league min as the 13th fwd. Dotn care who.

I'd have to presume the player who was the 5th-worst graded defenseman in the NHL last year in Goals Above Replacement would have an effect that doesn't even reach the ballpark of equivalent-worth to a 2nd and 3rd round pick.
- Lip_Out

They just waived MacDonald, they desperately missed not having a gaping wound of a possession player on their backend already.

I just don't like the way Fletcher operates. He made the team better right now. But did not maximize the return on most deals. Hopefully, in subsequent moves he remembers that there will be more seasons after this one.

In the end, if they are good next year and make some noise in the playoffs I will get over it.

They just waived MacDonald, they desperately missed not having a gaping wound of a possession player on their backend already.
- PLindbergh31

no doubt. playing over 20 minutes a night on a very good sharks team is a gaping hole

To make the point for a player's longevity in the NHL you've used Giroux.

To make the point on the model for winning in the NHL you've used Pittsburgh.


Why not fork over all of your monthly salary to go to the casino? I know a guy that won once.
- Lip_Out

Flyers have 6 forwards 26 and UNDER on the roster...
They have 5 defensemen 26 and UNDER on the roster...
And 1 goaltender UNDER 21...
PLUS they have 23 prospects UNDER 22 who wouldn't make the roster even if they played lights out in training camp....
Then you can add the other kids they draft this year...

But a 2nd round pick in this years draft is going to be needed to help the team in 4-6 years? That 2nd round pick wouldn't even make the Phantoms let alone the Flyers. Instead we get a veteran defenseman that could help the future defensemen mature and grow, oh and they need it, who may or may not re-sign in a year and improves the team THIS year.

This is the 3rd largest contract Chuck Fletcher has ever handed out.

Suter and Parise being the only two larger ones.
- BINGO!

Can not really compare. The prices have spiraled upwards since than.

I think the the overall view of both the Bryz and Vinny signings was much more measured than you're remembering.

Bryz wasn't so much celebrated as being great but more it was a decision one way or another rather than watching Lavi flub the goalie handling.

Vinny was what he was, a vet on a high dollar contract who appeared that might be able to help the team for a time.

I don't think either were overly celebrated.
- shekkie

I think fans were happy with the signings when they happened. I think any fan would have made the same deals that Holmgren presented.

THIS is what 45 points per year gets you???? Over $7M per season, for SEVEN years??

Good god this contract is making my eyes bleed

This is going to be the biggest anchor in league history, three years from now
- AxlRose91

Well, that, and playing in all situations. Being a center has a little to do it. being defensive responsibly while also chipping in a career high of 55 points playing with two different teams with two different systems, at the age of 26. being a big bodied guy who is hard to get the puck from. someone who can take the pressure off of Patrick, and also at 27, entering his prime. he starts with the rangers last year and gets 32 points in 41 games. if he scores 64 points and does everything i just said, is 7 million then worth it, or will you be inconsolable still?

Flyers have 6 forwards 26 and UNDER on the roster...
They have 5 defensemen 26 and UNDER on the roster...
And 1 goaltender UNDER 21...
PLUS they have 23 prospects UNDER 22 who wouldn't make the roster even if they played lights out in training camp....
Then you can add the other kids they draft this year...

But a 2nd round pick in this years draft is going to be needed to help the team in 4-6 years? That 2nd round pick wouldn't even make the Phantoms let alone the Flyers. Instead we get a veteran defenseman that could help the future defensemen mature and grow, oh and they need it, who may or may not re-sign in a year and improves the team THIS year.


- Glak18

astonishing how people just completely over value draft picks. The cubbard is filled as you clearly pointed out. This is when you make this type of move.

I'd have to presume the player who was the 5th-worst graded defenseman in the NHL last year in Goals Above Replacement would have an effect that doesn't even reach the ballpark of equivalent-worth to a 2nd and 3rd round pick.
- Lip_Out

the guy also ranked out at the following amongst dman last year:

31st in DZ stick checks
24th in DZ puck battles won
37th in DZ denied entries
12th in SH blocked shots

you could also look at last year as an outlier, one of his down years, but also still played 20+ minutes during the season and 21+ in the playoffs. He was a regularly depended on dman for a team that go to within 2 games of the cup finals.

Giroux-Coots-Voracek
JVR-Hayes-TK
Lindbloom-Patrick- Frost
Raffl-Laughton-Hartman

This lineup I think we be most ideal if Frost can come in and prove himself.

Flyers have 6 forwards 26 and UNDER on the roster...
They have 5 defensemen 26 and UNDER on the roster...
And 1 goaltender UNDER 21...
PLUS they have 23 prospects UNDER 22 who wouldn't make the roster even if they played lights out in training camp....
Then you can add the other kids they draft this year...

But a 2nd round pick in this years draft is going to be needed to help the team in 4-6 years? That 2nd round pick wouldn't even make the Phantoms let alone the Flyers. Instead we get a veteran defenseman that could help the future defensemen mature and grow, oh and they need it, who may or may not re-sign in a year and improves the team THIS year.


- Glak18

Most recent Flyers 2nd round picks that are now at least pro-eligible
Hagg, NAK, Allison, Hart, Laberge, Ratcliffe.

5 of the 6 reached at least the Phantoms after the 2 years in junior/Euro Pros post draft as is usual. The other (Allison) Hextall was on record saying he wished he would turn pro.

Hart earned the starting goalie position for the Flyers after his draft +2 year and is now penciled by most as at least a + starting goalie for the Flyers for the next ten years.

Your argument is based on two things. An egregious misjudgement of the player that Braun is. And a complete lack of understanding of the value of a second round pick, not to mention the additional third (which was the route we landed the point-man on our PP)

I can't argue with stupid.

geez

fletcher didn't want Trouba for obvious reasons, we already have a crowd of young dmen that need signed and we need veteran dmen to mentor these young guys and also supply stability on the blue line for hart....you can't have 6 young dmen running around clueless at times all game all season, fletcher gets 5 stars for what he just did to solidify our dmen, any questions about niskanen watch his play through the playoffs when they won the cup, he was probably the best dman on the ice for most of the playoffs and logging big minutes.


hayes is what it is, the flyers always like big centers in the middle, so what if hayes does not score 100 points a year, he's healthy and is sound in the defensive zone, really not much difference between him and coots, but coots plays first line and has more opportunity for points, also im thinking hayes will replace simmonds on the pp in front of the goalie which will give you stat guys satisfaction.

bottom line, the team is way better then it was a week ago

also if the trouba deal is such a bargain, there are 30 other teams that did not want to top rangers offer, so chew on that, you have no idea where trouba wants to play

astonishing how people just completely over value draft picks. The cubbard is filled as you clearly pointed out. This is when you make this type of move.
- daryl stanley

Yeah I skimmed the roster real quick, found this interesting, but expected...

Lindblom - 5th
Raffl - Undrafted
Ghost - 3rd
Braun - 7th
Hagg - 2nd
Hart - 2nd

Where are all the other players? ALL other players are 1st round picks.