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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 19 @ 2:22 PM ET
I am hoping for a Gostisbehere to montreal for Domi and 15.
- J35Bacher


Would you make that deal if you were Montreal?
bmoreflyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Baltimore
Joined: 07.06.2017

Jun 19 @ 2:22 PM ET
They finally announced the signing: https://www.nhl.com/flyer...elphia-flyers/c-307912246
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 19 @ 2:23 PM ET
Well that's hindsight. I think any GM worth his salt would go for it when they feel they have a team that can win it all. If he doesn't then you shouldn't have him as your GM. The smart GM's and teams know the difference and when your team isn't at hat point. The Flyers are making moves to win now. They shouldn't be.
- MJL

J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 19 @ 2:25 PM ET
Would you make that deal if you were Montreal?
- MJL



OMFG.

I said hope.

HOPE- like wishful thinking.

ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 19 @ 2:26 PM ET
I could see us reaching the eastern conference final next year. Pretty deep team.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 19 @ 2:27 PM ET
They finally announced the signing: https://www.nhl.com/flyer...elphia-flyers/c-307912246
- bmoreflyer



Ok...dont see any ntc details...probably wouldn’t be there anyway

The wait continues. I’d imagine some kind of ntc was worked out
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 19 @ 2:28 PM ET
Ok...dont see any ntc details...probably wouldn’t be there anyway

The wait continues. I’d imagine some kind of ntc was worked out

- Just5



I think he got the term and money he did because there is no protection
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jun 19 @ 2:28 PM ET
I could see us reaching the eastern conference final next year. Pretty deep team.
- ClaudeFather

If the young dmen take the next step and Hart plays to how we all know he is capable of playing, yes that is a very realistic goal.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 19 @ 2:28 PM ET
OMFG.

I said hope.

HOPE- like wishful thinking.

- J35Bacher



OMG. I'm sorry. I didn't know we were in fantasy land. Tap your shoes together 3 times! Brutal.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 19 @ 2:28 PM ET
That doesn't really answer my question..

Can you tell me if Berube has done anything of significance in the NHL in the past few months because again "Punchface will never coach in this league again"

- opeth_pa


Yes. Took an underachieving roster that was coached by Mike Yeo... (who is now employed by who)? and won a Cup.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 19 @ 2:30 PM ET
If the young dmen take the next step and Hart plays to how we all know he is capable of playing, yes that is a very realistic goal.
- Richieattack18

Or Provy and Ghost just play to their standards. Sanheim and Meyers looked good at year end.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 19 @ 2:31 PM ET
OMG. I'm sorry. I didn't know we were in fantasy land. Tap your shoes together 3 times! Brutal.
- MJL



But then again everyone keeps telling me how valuable Gostisbehere is so why isn't Domi and 15 reasonable.

opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Jun 19 @ 2:32 PM ET
Yes. Took an underachieving roster that was coached by Mike Yeo... (who is now employed by who)? and won a Cup.
- PLindbergh31



HA! Well played Clown..Well played..


The sky is blue... How quickly can you blame the Flyers for that?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 19 @ 2:33 PM ET
But then again everyone keeps telling me how valuable Gostisbehere is so why isn't Domi and 15 reasonable.
- J35Bacher



That's what I thought.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 19 @ 2:34 PM ET
HA! Well played Clown..Well played..


The sky is blue... How quickly can you blame the Flyers for that?

- opeth_pa


When is the sky blue? It rains every day.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 19 @ 2:35 PM ET
But then again everyone keeps telling me how valuable Gostisbehere is so why isn't Domi and 15 reasonable.
- J35Bacher


Because he just had the worst year of his pro career, and Domi just had his best.

If this was last year, it would be more reasonable, but the Flyers would still have to add.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 19 @ 2:40 PM ET
FA for me is for either bargain bin hunting, or the big name players.

Going after this middle/above average tier. Its dangerous as hell. Hayes is an example.

- flyer_nutter

Hayes is a big name player this year.

Duchene, Panarin, Karlsson, Hayes.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 19 @ 2:41 PM ET
Only move left for Pantload is to trade Ghost for pennies on the dollar.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 19 @ 2:42 PM ET
I'd love to get Domi but after the year he had he's a piece MTL is looking to build around.

Ehlers still intrigues me...
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 19 @ 2:43 PM ET
Right, but would you rather be a team like Tampa that makes smart moves, keeping the cap always in mind and keeping the window open for as long as possible. Along with keeping as many of your talented kids as possible...

Or this? The bar needs to bet set above first or second round exits.

- flyer_nutter

Have you seen some of the contracts Tampa has handed out? Tampa has good young players that they supported with a hell of a lot of former New York Rangers. Some with very large cap hits. Sounds familiar to another team I know......
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 19 @ 2:43 PM ET
Only move left for Pantload is to trade Ghost for pennies on the dollar.
- PLindbergh31

What is this pantload nonsense? It's lazy even for you.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 19 @ 2:44 PM ET
I'd love to get Domi but after the year he had he's a piece MTL is looking to build around.

Ehlers still intrigues me...

- hereticpride


Ehlers will have to be either ghost or 11. With the dmen brought in...I want to keep ghost. Ghost and Myers on the 3rd pairing? Yea give me that. If Myers and sanheim continue to make great strides we can maybe flip ghost next year after presumably having a better year
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 19 @ 2:46 PM ET
What is this pantload nonsense? It's lazy even for you.
- hereticpride


What is this third pairing rental dman nonsense?
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 19 @ 2:47 PM ET
I'm not freaking out because some of this points to a deeper communication between the GM, the business, and the coach than we've had in a long time.

They might have kicked the tires on Hayes but it had to be AV who stepped in and said "You want this guy, he's worth it. I've been with him in the locker room in good and bad situations." The fact that they listened to him begins that trust between the coach and the GM. Not a bad thing.

The moves make the business happy because moves mean new marketable faces and more income to pay everyone. They want to win too!

As for picks and prospects, Fletcher has moved a 2nd and 5th this year, and a third next year. So far none of our young Forwards or D have left the nest and every poster even the most negative have agreed we are a better team. That's frankly amazing.

We have lost Gudas, but with only 1 more year on a deal, it seems obvious he was not considered part of the core. And if you are honest with yourself you'd say the same (or most would).

Every player he has brought in has had a "good guy" or "solid" or "great in the locker room" theme. Not a bad thing on a young team - particularly since 2 of the three could be gone in a year or 2.

The negatives are around a concerning trend to throw high draft picks away, large salaries at players and retaining cap hit (possibly mismanaging the cap for the future), and whether or not he could have gotten more from each trade. I agree if we make this many moves at every trade deadline or every off season we are going to have an issue.
And it's good to keep that in sight. But let's not blow this out of proportion. They overpaid for a forward in RFA. EVERY team has done that and will continue to do that because that's how you keep your young up and coming players. They could have traded for someone better with a lower cap hit, but would you have given up Sanheim to do it?

It's his job to manage the cap and I think they will do it. We can argue about whether it's perfect but ultimately what I see is a team determined to improve and NOT at the cost of it's future. Not yet.

Long story short. I didn't want to watch the same team fall apart. I hope they are better, cuz I want to see G win, he very much deserves it.

- FlyersGrace

This is by far the most amazing post in the last week. Thank you.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 19 @ 2:48 PM ET
Ehlers will have to be either ghost or 11. With the dmen brought in...I want to keep ghost. Ghost and Myers on the 3rd pairing? Yea give me that. If Myers and sanheim continue to make great strides we can maybe flip ghost next year after presumably having a better year
- Just5

Honestly if 11 alone gets you Ehlers you gotta be all over that. Kid puts up good numbers so far.
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