What is this third pairing rental dman nonsense?
- PLindbergh31

Honestly if 11 alone gets you Ehlers you gotta be all over that. Kid puts up good numbers so far.
- hereticpride

What do you do to make room for our guys though? Just trade Laughton and Hartman (and maybe Hagg/Morin) for picks?

We should also try and keep in mind that some of Homer's moves and signings at the end of his GM tenure were purely made to try and win one more cup for Mr. Snider. I do not think the old MO is happening here. Otherwise they would have traded Sanheim for a comparable player in Hayes. I much rather them spend to the cap with keeping an eye on our RFA's and the future, while using their assets/picks to bring in vets.. which is exactly what they are doing.
- bmoreflyer

Paul Holmgren’s moves got them within an overtime goal and three periods of a Stanley Cup. But I guess the argument to be made is the terrible goaltending in that series was on him lol.

This is by far the most amazing post in the last week. Thank you.
- Flyers1218

In what way?

It doesn't support the argument that the Flyers have ruined everything Hextall did.

It doesn't support the argument that the Flyers don't value draftpicks or that Fletcher doesnt know what he is doing.

It doesn't support the argument the the sky is indeed falling in Flyers land.

Paul Holmgren’s moves got them within an overtime goal and three periods of a Stanley Cup. But I guess the argument to be made is the terrible goaltending in that series was on him lol.
- Flyers1218

Holmgren 1000% did more good than bad. He was a great GM, the good list is far longer than the bad.

In what way?

It doesn't support the argument that the Flyers have ruined everything Hextall did.

It doesn't support the argument that the Flyers don't value draftpicks or that Fletcher doesnt know what he is doing.

It doesn't support the argument the the sky is indeed falling in Flyers land.
- opeth_pa

$50 Million Dollars

What do you do to make room for our guys though? Just trade Laughton and Hartman (and maybe Hagg/Morin) for picks?
- ClaudeFather

Move Hartman. It's far too soon to be penciling Frost or Farabee in at forward this year imo.

Kevin Hayes isn’t Sidney Crosby. JvR has hit 30 goals already in his career, making him a 30 goal scorer.
- SuperSchennBros

That is not my point. You seem to be very good at avoiding the point. My point is the fact that he didnt play 82 games doesnt matter. He missed 11 games, it is not crazy unreasonable for him to play 82 games this season. My point is GMs dont sit there and say "Well you only played 71 games last season so you are worth less money".

Paul Holmgren’s moves got them within an overtime goal and three periods of a Stanley Cup. But I guess the argument to be made is the terrible goaltending in that series was on him lol.
- Flyers1218

And the thing is literally any other Goalie probably wins them that series. Mason, Bryzgalov, Biron, ect. Leighton was lights out though against Boston and Montreal and i dont think anyone expected Emery to miss the whole season and playoffs.

Move Hartman. It's far too soon to be penciling Frost or Farabee in at forward this year imo.
- hereticpride

Ehlers makes 6 and we were already looking tight getting under cap before him, needs to be more than Hartman.

Holmgren 1000% did more good than bad. He was a great GM, the good list is far longer than the bad.
- ClaudeFather

Ok I'll play.

Give me the 4 transactions that were homeruns under Holmgren that negate the following:

JVR for L. Schenn
Signing Bryzgalov (don't want to hear it was Snider)
MacDonald contract
two draft picks for the corpse of Pavel Kubina

Ehlers makes 6 and we were already looking tight getting under cap before him, needs to be more than Hartman.
- ClaudeFather

A d man is going to be moved. There is no way they are carrying 8.

Have you seen some of the contracts Tampa has handed out? Tampa has good young players that they supported with a hell of a lot of former New York Rangers. Some with very large cap hits. Sounds familiar to another team I know......
- Flyers1218

They were a team that was ready to contend. Surely you're not comparing the two teams.

Just perusing on Cap Friendly, G and Coots contracts come up at the same time, does anyone think they could essentially just switch cap hits with a couple extra mil going to Coots? At that point G will be coming off his age 33 season so could see him getting a couple year contract for less money depending how he holds up.

Also, next year, if Braun and Schlemko are not retained, that will open up about 6 mil in cap space. Kind of make me hope they do a 1-2 year bridge deal on Sanny and then devote most of that money to him, long term.

However it all plays out, it is going to be a tight squeeze if our young D continue to develop well.

Ok I'll play.

Give me the 4 transactions that were homeruns under Holmgren that negate the following:

JVR for L. Schenn
Signing Bryzgalov (don't want to hear it was Snider)
MacDonald contract
two draft picks for the corpse of Pavel Kubina
- PLindbergh31

Richards
Carter
Timmo Hartnell (Forsberg trade?) Bill mentioned earlier
G contract
Mason
Pronger
Ville Leino
Laviolette

Not tryna start anything but didn't realize Cooper Marody had such a good year in the AHL. Good for him if he can translate it to NHL success

Paul Holmgren’s moves got them within an overtime goal and three periods of a Stanley Cup. But I guess the argument to be made is the terrible goaltending in that series was on him lol.
- Flyers1218

His moves got them there once! That's the point. It wasn't sustainable. He then had to trade Richards and Carter due to cap issues and a lack of prospects in the system. His methods were not sustainable in a cap era which is why he stepped down.

Ok I'll play.

Give me the 4 transactions that were homeruns under Holmgren that negate the following:

JVR for L. Schenn
Signing Bryzgalov (don't want to hear it was Snider)
MacDonald contract
two draft picks for the corpse of Pavel Kubina
- PLindbergh31

Pronger
Briere
Hartnell
Kimmo

Mike Richards deal was also robbery considering how quickly he found himself out of the league...

The dude did turn a dumpster fire into a the Eastern Conference Champs in a pretty short period of time. You have to at least give him that.

Ok I'll play.

Give me the 4 transactions that were homeruns under Holmgren that negate the following:

JVR for L. Schenn
Signing Bryzgalov (don't want to hear it was Snider)
MacDonald contract
two draft picks for the corpse of Pavel Kubina
- PLindbergh31

Not the biggest Holmgren fan but everybody wanted Bryzgalov, every single fan was happy when they got Bryz. People just want to bash Holmgren after it didn't work out.

His moves got them there once! That's the point. It wasn't sustainable. He then had to trade Richards and Carter due to cap issues and a lack of prospects in the system. His methods were not sustainable in a cap era which is why he stepped down.
- MJL

The team was always competitive, it's not easy to make it to the cup (see Tampa). How about when Flyers destroyed Penguins and then had a letdown verse jersey or got beat by NYR in 7 who went to the cup (we win that if Emery doesn't play 3 games), should we blame him for Pronger's career ending injury too?

Pronger
Briere
Hartnell
Kimmo

Mike Richards deal was also robbery considering how quickly he found himself out of the league...

The dude did turn a dumpster fire into a the Eastern Conference Champs in a pretty short period of time. You have to at least give him that.
- hereticpride

Richards helped the Kings win two Cups. Do you think the Kings fans are complaining about that trade on their end?

At the end of Holmgren's tenure he left an absolute steaming turd in Hextall's lap.

Richards helped the Kings win two Cups. Do you think the Kings fans are complaining about that trade on their end?

At the end of Holmgren's tenure he left an absolute steaming turd in Hextall's lap.
- PLindbergh31

One guy, lol are the Blues complianing about Schenn, no, neither are we. It's called a hockey trade numnuts.

His moves got them there once! That's the point. It wasn't sustainable. He then had to trade Richards and Carter due to cap issues and a lack of prospects in the system. His methods were not sustainable in a cap era which is why he stepped down.
- MJL

from what i've seen "sustainable" ways of making and winning cups involve drafting guys like Crosby/Malkin, Toews/Kane, Quick/Doughty.....

from what i've seen "sustainable" ways of making and winning cups involve drafting guys like Crosby/Malkin, Toews/Kane, Quick/Doughty.....
- eshake

Nope nope nope, draft and develop. rinse and repeat.

One guy, lol are the Blues complianing about Schenn, no, neither are we. It's called a hockey trade numnuts.
- ClaudeFather

Are the Blues complaining about Schenn? They traded a bum with a horrible contract and two first round picks for a guy who was playing on the top line of a Cup winning team.