It will be a good five years before I decide if Hayes was worth it and if Fletcher planned far enough ahead to make this work. It’s so tight with the cap going forward that I feel it’s (The plan) is very reliant on the cap ceiling continually going up.
- NC Flyers Fan

When Seattle comes in, it will go up. Obviously I don't know how much, but the revenue they will generate will cause a bump

How does it not? Without Hayes they were going to need to pay Seattle to take a different player. Adding Hayes doesnt change that. What part of that is so hard to understand? If we are paying Seattle to take JVR instead of the other guys, exposing an extra guy doesnt matter because we are already paying them to take JVR(Hypothetically)
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

You're missing the point. The point I'm making is that adding Hayes will force the Flyers to expose a player they may not have had to expose. That's a very simple premise that is not hard to understand. I am not refuting that the Flyers may have to make a deal to get the outcome they want. In fact I've been talking about what that cost might be in numerous posts. Did you not read that? So you saying what part of that is so hard to understand is really foolish.

I’m not back reading...it has probably all been said.

Negatives—the contract is high-priced, too much term, limited flexibility with NMC and NTC, results in tighter cap dollars or potential moves in later years to be able to sign RFAs, one additional player exposed in expansion draft

Positives—Hayes fills a current need for a two-way middle six center who can help on the PK. At 27, he is a vet in his prime and a good 50+ point player. His presence allows young players including Patrick better placement for growth in the lineup.

I really hope that the Flyers did their homework and Hayes is a quality competitor even after his big payday. As far as the expansion draft, my personal opinion is that we shouldn’t make a deal. Just lose the 1 player they pick.
- NC Flyers Fan

Agree on all

When Seattle comes in, it will go up. Obviously I don't know how much, but the revenue they will generate will cause a bump
- AllInForFlyers

Yep, that’s it and we will need every penny.

Have the parameters even been set yet for the expansion draft? If not it is also possible you can protect more players this time around and Management knows this already.
- daryl stanley

I believe the same rules are in place for this one

Just need to mention that Hexy got JvR signed w/o a NMC. JvR the multiple 30-goal scorer, top UFA of the 2018 class, etc, etc.

There's no excuse for this Kevin Hayes poop. Fletcher only had to bid against himself and still lost.

You're missing the point. The point I'm making is that adding Hayes will force the Flyers to expose a player they may not have had to expose. That's a very simple premise that is not hard to understand. I am not refuting that the Flyers may have to make a deal to get the outcome they want. In fact I've been talking about what that cost might be in numerous posts. Did you not read that? So you saying what part of that is so hard to understand is really foolish.
- MJL

I am understanding that which IS my point. Yes they are exposing a player they dont have to but again it doesnt matter because a deal is being made. It doesnt change anything. We are giving them hypothetically a 1st to take JVR instead of Ghost, the fact that we are now exposing Myers as well DOESNT MATTER because the deal in place already protects EVERYONE exposed. We can expose the whole damn team, it doesnt matter because they are taking JVR because we gave them a 1st to do so.

The team is better now. Bring in a top 9 RW on a trade this team can compete.

Better coaching

Better down the middle

Better balanced D

Welcome back to the SC race Flyers

I'm still in the same place with this...
We needed a 2C and Hayes fills that role.
New coach is familiar with him.
Paid a tad too much (500K maybe).
Term is one year more than I would have liked. I still think market forced his hand. NMC is tough to accept.
Makes us a stronger team on paper. Jury will be out till we put it on the ice.
Next move we make will also, possibly, expose someone additional in ED.
Panarin is not coming to Philly.
Hopefully we get a speedy winger that can play PK and contribute 10-15 goals.
Fletch has filled holes without sacrificing a ton. Yet. Next move will be tough.

It will be a good five years before I decide if Hayes was worth it and if Fletcher planned far enough ahead to make this work. It’s so tight with the cap going forward that I feel it’s (The plan) is very reliant on the cap ceiling continually going up.
- NC Flyers Fan

If you don't know for five years, I guess that means it's not that bad.

Just need to mention that Hexy got JvR signed w/o a NMC. JvR the multiple 30-goal scorer, top UFA of the 2018 class, etc, etc.

There's no excuse for this Kevin Hayes poop. Fletcher only had to bid against himself and still lost.
- Tomahawk

Have to admit, Hextall did a better job with JVR's contract. No doubt about that

I am understanding that which IS my point. Yes they are exposing a player they dont have to but again it doesnt matter because a deal is being made. It doesnt change anything. We are giving them hypothetically a 1st to take JVR instead of Ghost, the fact that we are now exposing Myers as well DOESNT MATTER because the deal in place already protects EVERYONE exposed. We can expose the whole damn team, it doesnt matter because they are taking JVR because we gave them a 1st to do so.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

If you think it doesn't matter then you don't get it. The better and younger the player you have to expose, the more it costs you to get the expansion team to lay off that player. You will have to pay a higher price to get them to lay off a young in his prime RH quality defenseman than you would for another older less valuable player. By exposing more quality players because there is a ranking of players and how good they are, you are giving the expansion team more leverage.

Do you know what it cost Fletcher when he was the GM of the Wild to get McPhee and Vegas not to pick Scandella or Dumba?

Do you know what it cost Anaheim to get Vegas not to pick Vatanen or Manson?

As far as the expansion draft. This team could and most likely will look way different.

Learn from the LV draft. Just lose a player and move on. Nice to be good enough to lose more then a 4th liner. Just means the Flyers are relevant again.

Well scootch over I want to wallow too.
- stayinthefnnet

Save your wallowing for when Crosby and Malkin retire haha

Just need to mention that Hexy got JvR signed w/o a NMC. JvR the multiple 30-goal scorer, top UFA of the 2018 class, etc, etc.

There's no excuse for this Kevin Hayes poop. Fletcher only had to bid against himself and still lost.
- Tomahawk

Here’s my only hunch...it was Hayes or nothing. Available was scarce and remaining candidates have target destination choices.

I don’t know which is worse but I probably wouldn’t have done this deal. Doesn’t mean it won’t work out.

Sigh...let’s go Flyers...!

As far as the expansion draft. This team could and most likely will look way different.

Learn from the LV draft. Just lose a player and move on. Nice to be good enough to lose more then a 4th liner. Just means the Flyers are relevant again.
- peesinwind

Yup

If you think it doesn't matter then you don't get it. The better and younger the player you have to expose, the more it costs you to get the expansion team to lay off that player. You will have to pay a higher price to get them to lay off a young in his prime RH quality defenseman than you would for another older less valuable player. By exposing more quality players because there is a ranking of players and how good they are, you are giving the expansion team more leverage.

Do you know what it cost Fletcher when he was the GM of the Wild to get McPhee and Vegas not to pick Scandella or Dumba?
- MJL

Don't forget that there is also the cap floor to deal with. One of the reasons Vegas took the Clarkson contract and maybe some other moves. We can't just throw our most expensive contracts out there. We will lose a good player.

If you don't know for five years, I guess that means it's not that bad.
- FlyerFan16

Not necessarily, I could be scarred for life if down the road they cannot re-sign Hart because of a cap crunch.

Here’s my only hunch...it was Hayes or nothing. Available was scarce and remaining candidates have target destination choices.

I don’t know which is worse but I probably wouldn’t have done this deal. Doesn’t mean it won’t work out.

Sigh...let’s go Flyers...!
- NC Flyers Fan

Hexy couldn’t fill this 2C hole and it contributed to the Flyers being on an early vacation. That is not an easy hole to fill. Hexy is better at not giving up much but he also didn’t get much. I like Hexy and his plan. But man that hole was glaring last season. Inside I have a warm fizzy feeling thinking about getting an extended season next year.

As far as the expansion draft. This team could and most likely will look way different.

Learn from the LV draft. Just lose a player and move on. Nice to be good enough to lose more then a 4th liner. Just means the Flyers are relevant again.
- peesinwind

I agree. Lose the player and move on.

I know this is a big if as he hasn’t played much even in the AHL but if Felix Sandstrom turns out to be a legit starting goalie, I’m sure we can package him plus a pick for Seattle to take x player we want. I know big if between now and then but just a thought to ease some of the early worrying🤷‍♂️

Hexy couldn’t fill this 2C hole and it contributed to the Flyers being on an early vacation. That is not an easy hole to fill. Hexy is better at not giving up much but he also didn’t get much. I like Hexy and his plan. But man that hole was glaring last season. Inside I have a warm fizzy feeling thinking about getting an extended season next year.
- peesinwind

Pass the jug, I want some of that.

I agree. Lose the player and move on.
- Just5

Yeah, I mean they can only take one. You want our D or F. Go take him and get the F out of here

Though Fletch will give everything away. This guy does have a loose wallet.

If you think it doesn't matter then you don't get it. The better and younger the player you have to expose, the more it costs you to get the expansion team to lay off that player. You will have to pay a higher price to get them to lay off a young in his prime RH quality defenseman than you would for another older less valuable player. By exposing more quality players because there is a ranking of players and how good they are, you are giving the expansion team more leverage.

Do you know what it cost Fletcher when he was the GM of the Wild to get McPhee and Vegas not to pick Scandella or Dumba?
- MJL

You are assuming the players are going to be good. We are going to protect AT LEAST out top 3 D which IMO is going to be Provorov and Sanheim and either Myers or Morin.

Friedman, Myers and Morin are still rookies and chances are that only one of them is going to be a must keep. Ghost can always be traded. Exposing the extra player isnt going to have such a drastic effect. If Morin never gets healthy enough to play a full season problem is solved already. There is no guarantee these guys will be worth taking. A plan is good to have but GM's are not psychic, they cant predict what will happen in the next 2-3 years.

In 2010 we had a Stanley Cup finalist team, the next year we lost our #1 Dman to a career ending concussion and we ended up trading two of our core players away because of some internal issues. A lot can change between now and then.

And yes I remember Tuch and Theadore were sent to Vegas

Pass the jug, I want some of that.
- NC Flyers Fan

To night. Rum and coke. Well. Rum and Dew now. Out of coke. Guess Lateria is not around.