He is a young kid. Don't even know what he did. Young guys sometimes do stupid stuff. Doesn't make him a bad kid. Boston College doesn't have a problem with him.
- MJL

This is very true and he clearly has a terrific family and good support. I remember reading a ton about the family when we drafted him.

Ha! No worries. Someone worked up a pretty decent roster for the Flyers that had Provorov at 7 million that was cap compliant even with Hayes. I think higher than that isn't something I would do, but I am always curious about what people think player values are
- AllInForFlyers

I don't think his value is at 7m cap hit now.

Just spit balling without much thinking about it, would a team be crazy to offer him a 5 year 8m cap hit?

I think Fletcher wanted to get to this point before the draft and free agency, he probably believes he has his team in a good spot and now can focus on draft and maybe a bigger move if it presents itself. Doesn’t justify the overpays but

Congrats to Simmer!

I don't think his value is at 7m cap hit now.

Just spit balling without much thinking about it, would a team be crazy to offer him a 5 year 8m cap hit?
- FlyerFan16

See, I think they would be crazy to do that. Not because I think Provorov is a bad player. He obviously isn't.

But my personal opinion is that he isn't in the elite class of top pairing defensemen, like a Doughty or Hedman.

There's a level below that with guys like a Roman Josi, John Klingberg. I'm not sure Provorov is in that class.

I think he's closer to Alex Pietrangelo -- not a bad player at all. A top-pairing defenseman. But not one that drives play like a Doughty or Klingberg or Hedman

See, I think they would be crazy to do that. Not because I think Provorov is a bad player. He obviously isn't.

But my personal opinion is that he isn't in the elite class of top pairing defensemen, like a Doughty or Hedman.

There's a level below that with guys like a Roman Josi, John Klingberg. I'm not sure Provorov is in that class.

I think he's closer to Alex Pietrangelo -- not a bad player at all. A top-pairing defenseman. But not one that drives play like a Doughty or Klingberg or Hedman
- AllInForFlyers

I don't even think he is in Pietrangelo's class yet. He will be at some point if not better but not yet.

I don't even think he is in Pietrangelo's class yet. He will be at some point if not better but not yet.
- MJL

Fair enough, and that's why I'm not terrified of an offer sheet for him just yet. I wouldn't have a problem with an extension at 7 million per, but higher than that, I'm not sure about

Fair enough, and that's why I'm not terrified of an offer sheet for him just yet. I wouldn't have a problem with an extension at 7 million per, but higher than that, I'm not sure about
- AllInForFlyers

I agree with you. Not worried about an OS.

See, I think they would be crazy to do that. Not because I think Provorov is a bad player. He obviously isn't.

But my personal opinion is that he isn't in the elite class of top pairing defensemen, like a Doughty or Hedman.

There's a level below that with guys like a Roman Josi, John Klingberg. I'm not sure Provorov is in that class.

I think he's closer to Alex Pietrangelo -- not a bad player at all. A top-pairing defenseman. But not one that drives play like a Doughty or Klingberg or Hedman
- AllInForFlyers

But isn't an offer sheet really about the potential, and taking the gamble on it?

I agree with you. Not worried about an OS.
- MJL

Not really worried about it either.

Is your 5.5 for Provorov a bridge or long term deal?

But isn't an offer sheet really about the potential, and taking the gamble on it?
- FlyerFan16

Yes. Absolutely. I mean, I'm just a guy on a computer. Maybe I'm selling him short and someone in the business sees him in a higher tier.

But when you start talking 8 million on the OS or an extension, even with salaries rising, man. You'd better be right, you know?

Personally, even though I have been hard on Sanheim at times, I think if he continues to develop, his upside is better than Provorov's. Again: Just my opinion. He still has work to do. But I am not certain that three years from now, Provorov will even be the best defenseman on the Flyers

Not really worried about it either.

Is your 5.5 for Provorov a bridge or long term deal?
- FlyerFan16

I figured at that number which I agree is probably low, he wouldn't sign that for very long. Bridge.

I figured at that number which I agree is probably low, he wouldn't sign that for very long. Bridge.
- MJL

I think he gets bridged, too

Just projecting that an additional decent player will have to exposed in order to protect a 7 million dollar a year third line center
- KINGKENZO

That’s certainly possible, but to play devils advocate, there’s the possibility he comes here and does everything expected of him that makes more valuable than anyone they will potentially they have to expose to expansion.

Yes. Absolutely. I mean, I'm just a guy on a computer. Maybe I'm selling him short and someone in the business sees him in a higher tier.

But when you start talking 8 million on the OS or an extension, even with salaries rising, man. You'd better be right, you know?

Personally, even though I have been hard on Sanheim at times, I think if he continues to develop, his upside is better than Provorov's. Again: Just my opinion. He still has work to do. But I am not certain that three years from now, Provorov will even be the best defenseman on the Flyers
- AllInForFlyers

Yeah, I get it.

I just hope the defense rebounds, especially Provorov and Ghost. Hopefully the moves work out for the best and the Flyers have a much improved defense this year.

Yeah, I get it.

I just hope the defense rebounds, especially Provorov and Ghost. Hopefully the moves work out for the best and the Flyers have a much improved defense this year.
- FlyerFan16

Absolutely. They need to be better. I think -- repeat, THINK -- they will. But they have to go out and do it

No, that's YOUR premise. They're gonna lose somebody no matter what. I have absolutely NO IDEA what that roster is gonna look like in two years. None.

Guys get hurt and are forced to retire. Guys get traded. Guys ask for trades. Young players beat out veterans. Guys decline.

Kevin Hayes might be worth protecting. He might not be. But he's going to be, if he's still here, but we have NO IDEA what that is going to look like

- AllInForFlyers

The issue is, with the NMC, he WILL be here, and must be protected.

Absolutely. They need to be better. I think -- repeat, THINK -- they will. But they have to go out and do it
- AllInForFlyers

I know you aren’t primed to move him, bt what would you realistically want for ghost?

I know you aren’t primed to move him, bt what would you realistically want for ghost?
- stayinthefnnet

For Ghost, on his contract and age, with his mobility and value to a PP and proven ability to produce points -- while acknowledging that he has weaknesses -- to me, that's a first-round pick no lower than No. 20 (I'd allow top-3 protection but no more), a legitimate 20-goal, 45-point forward under 25 years of age (think Brandon Saad), and a 2nd-round pick

Know that's steep, but I'm still bullish on the player. I think he had a tough season, along with a lot of other guys. I could be wrong, but I think he's a poor man's Erik Karlsson and that he legitimately is a 50-point defenseman for the next 10 years

For Ghost, on his contract and age, with his mobility and value to a PP and proven ability to produce points -- while acknowledging that he has weaknesses -- to me, that's a first-round pick no lower than No. 20 (I'd allow top-3 protection but no more), a legitimate 20-goal, 45-point forward under 25 years of age (think Brandon Saad), and a 2nd-round pick

Know that's steep, but I'm still bullish on the player. I think he had a tough season, along with a lot of other guys. I could be wrong, but I think he's a poor man's Erik Karlsson and that he legitimately is a 50-point defenseman for the next 10 years
- AllInForFlyers

I think his mobility look like poop last season. His rookie season he buzzed all over the ice but looked like a slug last season.

For Ghost, on his contract and age, with his mobility and value to a PP and proven ability to produce points -- while acknowledging that he has weaknesses -- to me, that's a first-round pick no lower than No. 20 (I'd allow top-3 protection but no more), a legitimate 20-goal, 45-point forward under 25 years of age (think Brandon Saad), and a 2nd-round pick

Know that's steep, but I'm still bullish on the player. I think he had a tough season, along with a lot of other guys. I could be wrong, but I think he's a poor man's Erik Karlsson and that he legitimately is a 50-point defenseman for the next 10 years
- AllInForFlyers

Right now we have a perfect situation for ghost. Shouldn’t move him now with these types of dmen we brought in. Ghost is the only one capable of running PP1. It would be a mistake to put that responsibility on sanheim out of the gate imo. Ghost/Myers is a killer 3rd pairing. Look for a bounce back year and if sanheim or provorov appear ready to handle Top PP duties, go ahead and move ghost then

For Ghost, on his contract and age, with his mobility and value to a PP and proven ability to produce points -- while acknowledging that he has weaknesses -- to me, that's a first-round pick no lower than No. 20 (I'd allow top-3 protection but no more), a legitimate 20-goal, 45-point forward under 25 years of age (think Brandon Saad), and a 2nd-round pick

Know that's steep, but I'm still bullish on the player. I think he had a tough season, along with a lot of other guys. I could be wrong, but I think he's a poor man's Erik Karlsson and that he legitimately is a 50-point defenseman for the next 10 years
- AllInForFlyers

That IS steep. I think he is a tricky one to peg because I could see the evaluation being all over the map. He is by no means a player I would view as part of the problem and be looking to move. I would be all over him for the pens. At that price though I think you are paying for most of the ceiling without looking at the floor. But again, if you have no pressure to move a guy you see part of the core moving forward I can see requiring an offer of that magnitude to not immediately hang up the phone.

I think his mobility look like poop last season. His rookie season he buzzed all over the ice but looked like a slug last season.
- Richieattack18

I think he "played slow" last season -- tentative at times, unsure of himself. Lack of confidence, knowing he wasn't playing well

I don't think he is the player he showed for much of last season. I just don't. I think goals that should've been stopped kept winding up in the back of their net, the pressure got to a lot of guys -- including him -- they fired the coach, and they just didn't play well

Right now we have a perfect situation for ghost. Shouldn’t move him now with these types of dmen we brought in. Ghost is the only one capable of running PP1. It would be a mistake to put that responsibility on sanheim out of the gate imo. Ghost/Myers is a killer 3rd pairing. Look for a bounce back year and if sanheim or provorov appear ready to handle Top PP duties, go ahead and move ghost then
- Just5

Exactly. Even more so than the PP, I think a confident ghost can flat out move the puck at even strength. I know everyone tugs to big physical forwards, especially in playoff time, but not having enough guys on the back end that can skate the puck out on their own is like having a car without gasoline.

I think he "played slow" last season -- tentative at times, unsure of himself. Lack of confidence, knowing he wasn't playing well

I don't think he is the player he showed for much of last season. I just don't. I think goals that should've been stopped kept winding up in the back of their net, the pressure got to a lot of guys -- including him -- they fired the coach, and they just didn't play well
- AllInForFlyers

Agreed. I think his struggles were largely due to being tentative.