Right now we have a perfect situation for ghost. Shouldn’t move him now with these types of dmen we brought in. Ghost is the only one capable of running PP1. It would be a mistake to put that responsibility on sanheim out of the gate imo. Ghost/Myers is a killer 3rd pairing. Look for a bounce back year and if sanheim or provorov appear ready to handle Top PP duties, go ahead and move ghost then
- Just5

I think he has a huge, bounceback year. I really do

Exactly. Even more so than the PP, I think a confident ghost can flat out move the puck at even strength. I know everyone tugs to big physical forwards, especially in playoff time, but not having enough guys on the back end that can skate the puck out on their own is like having a car without gasoline.
- stayinthefnnet

DING DING DING

That dude, when he's on his game, is a one-man breakout. You can't just give that away

DING DING DING

That dude, when he's on his game, is a one-man breakout. You can't just give that away
- AllInForFlyers

Why do you think I’m hoping fletcher flushes him for a pair of seconds or something similar haha

That IS steep. I think he is a tricky one to peg because I could see the evaluation being all over the map. He is by no means a player I would view as part of the problem and be looking to move. I would be all over him for the pens. At that price though I think you are paying for most of the ceiling without looking at the floor. But again, if you have no pressure to move a guy you see part of the core moving forward I can see requiring an offer of that magnitude to not immediately hang up the phone.
- stayinthefnnet

See, with Ghost, you can only trade him once. Yeah, he struggled for much of last year. I admit that.

But the goaltending was pretty much ass for 75 percent of the season. Hakstol was a dead man walking, and they just looked like ass almost all season.

But even with that, I see a 65-point season, a 46-point season in a partial year, and 39 and 37 point seasons.

He needs to smooth out his defense and make better plays in his own zone. Absolutely. Not everything is on the goalies.

But at the same time, if he gets that sorted and they actually get some damn saves and the PP is cooking, woof

I have always said this and I truly believe it:

You cannot evaluate players properly when you have poop goaltending. I said it even before last season started.

Nothing looks right, nothing feels right, and players don't play well when goals are going in from everywhere

See, with Ghost, you can only trade him once. Yeah, he struggled for much of last year. I admit that.

But the goaltending was pretty much ass for 75 percent of the season. Hakstol was a dead man walking, and they just looked like ass almost all season.

But even with that, I see a 65-point season, a 46-point season in a partial year, and 39 and 37 point seasons.

He needs to smooth out his defense and make better plays in his own zone. Absolutely. Not everything is on the goalies.

But at the same time, if he gets that sorted and they actually get some damn saves and the PP is cooking, woof
- AllInForFlyers

Not that they would move him to the pens, but I wouldn’t have a problem moving the first for him. It’s the player portion I don’t think really meshes value wise.

Not that they would move him to the pens, but I wouldn’t have a problem moving the first for him. It’s the player portion I don’t think really meshes value wise.
- stayinthefnnet

LOL Just because you guys stole Justin Schultz doesn't mean you get to pick our pockets

It's the same thing, really. Schultz and Ghost are eerily similar. They both need structure and saves to be made before you can appreciate what they do

That's the move that, if it gets made, might make me pretty damn sour.

Ghost didn't have the best season last year. He's not Nicklas Lidstrom defensively.

But FFS, that contract is simply ridiculous value because you are getting a certain level of production that other guys simply cannot do. It baffles me that so many people are down on him -- not everybody is perfect defensively. He can get better, but he won't get better for you if you trade his arse before he has a chance to bounce back
- AllInForFlyers

Amen to that, you can't move Ghost right now

LOL Just because you guys stole Justin Schultz doesn't mean you get to pick our pockets

It's the same thing, really. Schultz and Ghost are eerily similar
- AllInForFlyers

They are. And I’m a fan of Schultz. But he is gonna be looking to push high six, low seven AAV on his next deal. And ghost, while I think your trade demands are asking for the full freight, his contract provides a few years of a bargain with the variance of outcomes baked into the price. (Which admittedly in turn would justify a higher asking price in trade I suppose)

Amen to that, you can't move Ghost right now
- Daceroni

I keep saying it because I truly feel we would live to regret that one

They are. And I’m a fan of Schultz. But he is gonna be looking to push high six, low seven AAV on his next deal. And ghost, while I think your trade demands are asking for the full freight, his contract provides a few years of a bargain with the variance of outcomes baked into the price. (Which admittedly in turn would justify a higher asking price in trade I suppose)
- stayinthefnnet

You guys are gonna have to pay Schultz. Gonna have to bite the bullet and attach a pick -- a high one -- to get Jack Johnson off the books, but it can be done

You guys are gonna have to pay Schultz. Gonna have to bite the bullet and attach a pick -- a high one -- to get Jack Johnson off the books, but it can be done
- AllInForFlyers

I’m not even sure they view him as a problem. I have zero faith in the brass anymore.

I would gladly buy him out and eat the million a year down. I’d also move the equity you guys just did for Braun to purge him as well.

Instead he’ll get top four minutes. I know that tickles you pink, and it would for me if the roles were reversed, but it is maddening.

I know the narrative for Ghost has consistently been low confidence and issues between the ears, but it seems people forget he briefly mentioned in exit interviews that in December he blocked a shot that dinged his leg or knee up and that it lingered a bit.

I know the narrative for Ghost has consistently been low confidence and issues between the ears, but it seems people forget he briefly mentioned in exit interviews that in December he blocked a shot that dinged his leg or knee up and that it lingered a bit.
- arichardson22

I had not seen that. All the more reason to not move him, to me

I had not seen that. All the more reason to not move him, to me
- AllInForFlyers

https://www.inquirer.com/...improvement-20190410.html

Actually happened earlier than I thought. Apparently in October.

The thought of trading Ghost makes me physically ill and now to add that they could lose a guy like Travis Konecny to Seattle really makes me mad.

I’m optimistic about the team now but losing those two players would be awful.

The ntc for Hayes is a bitter pill on top of the term and dollars of that deal.

I think he "played slow" last season -- tentative at times, unsure of himself. Lack of confidence, knowing he wasn't playing well

I don't think he is the player he showed for much of last season. I just don't. I think goals that should've been stopped kept winding up in the back of their net, the pressure got to a lot of guys -- including him -- they fired the coach, and they just didn't play well
- AllInForFlyers

Ok but that doesn't make sense for why his skating ability was slow compared to very quick

I think Fletcher wanted to get to this point before the draft and free agency, he probably believes he has his team in a good spot and now can focus on draft and maybe a bigger move if it presents itself. Doesn’t justify the overpays but
- wcorvette

Thats the problem, he thinks, or Holmgren and Scott think, this team can win a cup, and he is making these moves. I think the team is still just good. Nothing from the past 8 years or so have given me any hope of a cup.

See, I think they would be crazy to do that. Not because I think Provorov is a bad player. He obviously isn't.

But my personal opinion is that he isn't in the elite class of top pairing defensemen, like a Doughty or Hedman.

There's a level below that with guys like a Roman Josi, John Klingberg. I'm not sure Provorov is in that class.

I think he's closer to Alex Pietrangelo -- not a bad player at all. A top-pairing defenseman. But not one that drives play like a Doughty or Klingberg or Hedman
- AllInForFlyers

I think he's comparable in quality to Jay Bouwmeester.

Ok but that doesn't make sense for why his skating ability was slow compared to very quick
- Richieattack18

Check the article i posted a few comments above.. he dinged up his knee in october from blocking a shot. He still admits he was better mid season though

Why is everyone worrying about the expansion draft now? Flyer fill holes to improve the team and all the chatter is about the expansion draft. That will play itself out over the next year.

Let’s get excited the team is better than it was last year on paper. Get the RFAs signed and maybe another top 9 player.
- MrPerfect316

But still on paper doesn't help much.Hayes signing is simple awful
We just can hope that he got chemistry with Voracek or that Voracek can be traded away for a solid backup goalie and a solid young RW player

So watching the draft on Friday...

Cue the music...

Should I pop popcorn or go straight to shots?
- NC Flyers Fan

we have a trade to announce... flyers trade 11th overall for rights to joe pavelski

ghost needs to be traded end of story

I think he's comparable in quality to Jay Bouwmeester.
- Tomahawk

They even look the same skating the puck up the ice. Hunched over with what looks like a mini stick. Ugh....I really started keying in on provorov after you brought this up towards the end of the year and it’s frightening how similar they are.

we have a trade to announce... flyers trade 11th overall for rights to joe pavelski
- 2Real

Ha, ha ... driving me to drink, eh.

They make the pick now, right?