This does seem to be a player that’s getting better each year. He’s going to be able to do a lot for us and Patrick is going to see favorable matchups.

Yeah the money/term is not ideal but it never ever is when we’re talking big ufa fish. I am glad I’m not sitting through another year crossing my fingers that the kids are going to put it all together. These players blocking is BS. Keep the kids in Lehigh and the mandate should be to blow it out of the water down there before they get a sniff here
- Just5

Sure he's an upgrade over what they had. No one is debating that. But at what cost? If I'm overpaying players it's true difference makers. Hell I'd rather give Panarin 11+ than Hayes 7+

You really think so? I'm not so sure.
- Tomahawk

Man, have you looked at what's out there in FA now that guys are signing?

JVR's 25 goals would get him the same contract THIS YEAR as he got last year

Somebody's gonna want him if the Flyers made him available. Not a penny retained, if they did it before July 1

How does that apply here when Hayes has averaged 76 games per season?
Spin it any way you want. Hayes isn't a difference maker. He went to a stacked Winnipeg team at the TDL and they got bounced in the first round.
- PLindbergh31

It depends on the difference your trying to make. Hayes was brought in the create favorable matchups against opponents and favorable matchups for Patrick. He is here because he plays PK and is also a character guy that knows the coach and system. That is how Hayes is a difference maker on this team. Same goes with Niskanen, and Braun. Can’t measure what they bring to the team in terms of points per game or corsi.

Sure he's an upgrade over what they had. No one is debating that. But at what cost? If I'm overpaying players it's true difference makers. Hell I'd rather give Panarin 11+ than Hayes 7+
- PLindbergh31

Panarin is a left wing, Hayes is a center

Sure he's an upgrade over what they had. No one is debating that. But at what cost? If I'm overpaying players it's true difference makers. Hell I'd rather give Panarin 11+ than Hayes 7+
- PLindbergh31

It’s a contract that you can get out of. Whether through expansion draft or trade or trade with salary retention. Too much panick over what might happen 4-5 years from now. Just focus on the now.

Sure he's an upgrade over what they had. No one is debating that. But at what cost? If I'm overpaying players it's true difference makers. Hell I'd rather give Panarin 11+ than Hayes 7+
- PLindbergh31

It’s not a ridiculous overpayment but it is one. The most important part of the deal which fletch nailed is not giving out the NMC. He got the most important detail right and the player fills a need

Panarin is a left wing, Hayes is a center
- RustyPipes

Yeah. I think I'm aware of what position they play. What's your point?
Are you saying Hayes would have more of an impact than Panarin would because he's a Center?

It’s not a ridiculous overpayment but it is one. The most important part of the deal which fletch nailed is not giving out the NMC. He got the most important detail right and the player fills a need
- Just5

The contract is the NMC.

Great, so if it's truly Holmgren 2.0, the Flyers will make the ECF next season and the Cup Finals two years after that, and then tie for the most points in the Eastern Conference in the regular season that follows the trip to the Finals. They'll win seven playoff series over a span of five years. Yeah, that'd be a total disaster.

BTW, Hayes isn't a speed demon but he also isn't slow. He had no issues playing effectively in New York at the pace that J.T. Miller and Carl Hagelin set. A healthy Niskanen is not slow at all; mobility has always been one of his strengths. Braun, yes, looked a bit slow this past season.
- bmeltzer

And....... still not win the cup

And as currently constituted still a playoff bubble/first round cannon fodder team.
Unbelievable.
- PLindbergh31

What if we throw out logic and say Panarin signed with the Flyers even though there is zero chance of that ever happening? Yup still a bubble team.

What if the Flyers signed 60 point center Duchene? Still a bubble team.

Man, have you looked at what's out there in FA now that guys are signing?

JVR's 25 goals would get him the same contract THIS YEAR as he got last year

Somebody's gonna want him if the Flyers made him available. Not a penny retained, if they did it before July 1
- AllInForFlyers

Dunno, age, PF decline, cap-hit, etc. You'd have to have a team out there with the cap-space, specific need and the balls to pull that trade off free and clear.

A lot of the bigs deals are going to guys in the thick of their primes. JvR is probably near the tail end of his peak years.

No. We had a GM that knew how to team build properly in the salary cap era.

We’ve tried this method before. Flyers fans in particular should be very familiar with how all of this is going to play out.

I guess what’s shocking to me right now is the number of fans that have taken the bait, hook line and sinker.
- StepfordSam

Depending on if you take the MJL approach of only 2 year since Hexy needed 2 years to clear space or look at it as Hexy had 4 years to improve team and over that time they didnt get better.

Right or wrong..good or bad...the real world depends on results and while I dont want the Hexy glacial approach to improvement Im not 100% a fan of going the other way..

Something in the middle would be nice.

What if we throw out logic and say Panarin signed with the Flyers even though there is zero chance of that ever happening? Yup still a bubble team.

What if the Flyers signed 60 point center Duchene? Still a bubble team.
- Glak18

Why is there zero chance of signing Panarin? The way things work, players across all sports 90% of the time go to the team that offers them the most money.

No his numbers are close. Yours are off. It’s 2019 not 2009
- Just5

Will screenshot for future possible gloating or fetal position crying

And....... still not win the cup
- SMS4016

30 teams dont win the cup every year. Its always a long shot. Look at how stacked Tampa is and they got bounced 1st round

What if we throw out logic and say Panarin signed with the Flyers even though there is zero chance of that ever happening? Yup still a bubble team.

What if the Flyers signed 60 point center Duchene? Still a bubble team.
- Glak18

No way man. Raffl will get his 2nd wind for the pk unit, coots can handle 28 minutes a game and slammin Sammy will be clearing the porch all year!

Dunno, age, PF decline, cap-hit, etc. You'd have to have a team out there with the cap-space, specific need and the balls to pull that trade off free and clear.

A lot of the bigs deals are going to guys in the thick of their primes. JvR is probably near the tail end of his peak years.
- Tomahawk

Hard to believe that the player the Flyers drafted with the second pick sandwiched his prime years in Philly. Why don't the Flyers make a trade where they land JVR and the other team is on the Luke Schenn end. How often does this team make a trade/sign a free agent and the first thing that comes to your mind is that is a no brainer. Like literally never.

The contract is the NMC.
- PLindbergh31

Totally agree this contract is nonsense
Like Hayes as a player and could swallow the overpay
But the 7 years term are shear madness

Why is there zero chance of signing Panarin? The way things work, players across all sports 90% of the time go to the team that offers them the most money.
- PLindbergh31

Whatever helps you sleep at night. 15m per @ 7 years still wouldn't bring Panarin here. He made it clear multiple times, his agent as well, through the media he had an extremely short list of specific cities for living conditions. He has a boat and wants to use it without hassle.

Dunno, age, PF decline, cap-hit, etc. You'd have to have a team out there with the cap-space, specific need and the balls to pull that trade off free and clear.

A lot of the bigs deals are going to guys in the thick of their primes. JvR is probably near the tail end of his peak years.
- Tomahawk

Only 4 years left. He’s not really a PF like a Simmonds or Backes. I wouldn’t worry about his wear and tear. His game is not reliant on his speed. He should age ok

Dunno, age, PF decline, cap-hit, etc. You'd have to have a team out there with the cap-space, specific need and the balls to pull that trade off free and clear.

A lot of the bigs deals are going to guys in the thick of their primes. JvR is probably near the tail end of his peak years.
- Tomahawk

Columbus is gonna lose Duchene, Dzingel, Panarin and Bob. Think they’d take a guaranteed 25 goals in a heartbeat

New Jersey is terrified that Hall won’t extend. They would take JVR’s guaranteed goals to go with Hughes

There’s deals out there if they want them

It's so cool that playoffs team are determined in June! Might as well not play the season since we're not gonna win a playoff round. Everyone definitely expected the Islanders and Hurricanes to make it that far this time last year so I guess we're totally screwed.

JFC

Whatever helps you sleep at night. 15m per @ 7 years still wouldn't bring Panarin here. He made it clear multiple times, his agent as well, through the media he had an extremely short list of specific cities for living conditions. He has a boat and wants to use it without hassle.
- Glak18

Last time I checked Philly wasn't that far from water.
Well if that is the case the Rangers aren't on his list right?

Only 4 years left. He’s not really a PF like a Simmonds or Backes. I wouldn’t worry about his wear and tear. His game is not reliant on his speed. He should age ok
- Just5

I think he's gonna end up like Vinny, legs go out at 32-33, everything goes along with it.

Only 4 years left. He’s not really a PF like a Simmonds or Backes. I wouldn’t worry about his wear and tear. His game is not reliant on his speed. He should age ok
- Just5

Yep. They could move him today without breaking a sweat