Coots averages 42 pts a season over his career. Why are you ignoring this?

You won't even have the balls to respond to this because it completely shatters your narrative
- bulet13

I don’t believe you’re actually this clueless, but I’ll play this game anyways...

Look at Couturier’s past two seasons. He’s been over 30 goals and 75 points. Hayes has been consistently 40-50 points

Not to mention that Couturier is one of the top five defensive players in the game

If Hayes is worth $7.1M then Couturier is worth $15M. This is honestly one of the worst signings I’ve ever seen

They are still in pretty good cap shape. Right now, with 8 forwards (G, Jake, JVR, Hayes, Coots, Raffl, Lindblom, Patrick), 7 D (Ghost, Hagg, Myers, Niskanen, Braum, Morin, Schlemko), the dead cap money and Hart, they are at roughly 57.9 million. Assuming they were to trade Hagg for a pick or 2 and then a pick plus Schlemko (if FL wants us taking a backup at 3.4 million, taking Schlemko is the price you make them pay) for Reimer, they'd be at roughly 57.2 million with 8F, 5D and 2G.


I'm guessing one of Frost/Farabee, plus NAK start the season on the roster, so that would give them 10F, 5D, 2G at about 59 or so million. Figure an 83 million ceiling and wanting to leave a minimum of 2 million in space to start the season, that leaves 22 million to sign 5 players: Laughton, TK, Hartman, Provy and Sanheim. I'm guessing that they see Hartman as a stopgap player and that they sign him to only a 1 year deal at 2.5 million or so. Laughton perhaps gets a 2 year deal for 5.5 million, 2.75 aav.

They'd still have about 16.75 million to sign the other 3 RFAs. Assuming at least one, if not more, gets a bridge deal, they will easily have the room to sign them and would be going into the season with 13F, 7D, 2G and probably around 3-3.5 million in available cap space.
- BiggE

today is not the day to be logical, it is bitcx and moan day. I really would like to see NAK get a shot but I dont see room for him.

This is a horrible deal.

Holy crap.

4 1st rounders in the list!!!! A bunch of 2nds and 3rds. Only if they had 1 or 2 more picks...

Frost
Farabee
Rubtsov
Vorobyev
Ratcliffe
Aube-Kubel
Twarynski
Strome
Kase
Allison
Cates
Laczynski
O'Brien
Myers
Friedman
Zamula
Ginning
Hogberg
Wylie
St. Ivany
Sandstrom
Ustimenko
Ersson

I am really going to miss a 2nd and 3rd rounder....
- Glak18

You do what you can to stock up your Allison's, Ratcliffe's, Ginning's etc. because when Braun and Niskanen expire (and hopefully Myers and Sanheim keep pushing up the lineup) you have a cheap young player to fill in to your 5 and 6 spot. This allows you to re-sign good players and KEEP winning as was my point.

Logically your response lends itself to the argument that 1 year of Justin Braun is worth a 2nd and 3rd round pick which is not a good argument to make.

Totally agree this contract is nonsense
Like Hayes as a player and could swallow the overpay
But the 7 years term are shear madness
- goenzoy

he puts up the same numbers this as last year and you could trade Hayes without much issue

4 1st rounders in the list!!!! A bunch of 2nds and 3rds. Only if they had 1 or 2 more picks...

Frost
Farabee
Rubtsov
Vorobyev
Ratcliffe
Aube-Kubel
Twarynski
Strome
Kase
Allison
Cates
Laczynski
O'Brien
Myers
Friedman
Zamula
Ginning
Hogberg
Wylie
St. Ivany
Sandstrom
Ustimenko
Ersson

I am really going to miss a 2nd and 3rd rounder....
- Glak18

You forgot Kalnyuk

Gonna need to be ruthless sometimes. I like Laughton but you cannot pay him north of 2. Not on the fourth line
- AllInForFlyers

Absolutely. 3 mil for laughton is over the top. If we can't get him for 2 or preferably less, fill the spots with ELC players/

I don’t believe you’re actually this clueless, but I’ll play this game anyways...

Look at Couturier’s past two seasons. He’s been over 30 goals and 75 points. Hayes has been consistently 40-50 points

Not to mention that Couturier is one of the top five defensive players in the game

If Hayes is worth $7.1M then Couturier is worth $15M. This is honestly one of the worst signings I’ve ever seen
- AxlRose91

Last two seasons Hayes has scored exactly 55 pts in 71 games, so again you're lying. Coots scores 75 in 82 games. You know what pace Hayes was on if he played 82 games? For 63 pts. So thanks for playing! And that was with lesser talent in NY. And we all know Coots is a steal of a deal. This is how much players are worth.

Also, you and the clown are claiming it's 45 pts average over his career. I rightly pointed out Coots only averages 42 to prove how stupid of a point both of y'all were making.

To recap, the Flyers gave up a year of Gudas, a high 2nd, and a high 3rd for the privilege of burning $9.55m on Niskanen and Braun, and $2.77m on the Gudas retained salary and MACDonald buyout. Unbelievable use of over $12m in cap space.

Let's go..... Rationalize it!
- PLindbergh31

Well both players are an upgrade to the defense and pk. Both will lessen the load of the young guys on D who have been thrown into the fire with pretty much no support.
Both 2 have short term deals that will have little to no bearing on any future cap issues. Both can help guide these players along when they hit a rough patch; something they havent had in the past.

To me that type of stuff is very important to the future growth of ivan myers, sanheim

This is absolutely true. We had glaring holes - Chucky is filling them. Hayes between JVR and Jake may score 70 points this year. Who knows, but at least the team will be in a better position to win more games and I believe that is the goal.
- RustyPipes

Actually a 2nd line of JvR-Hayes-Voracek scares me. Hayes does improve the center depth and helps immensely on the PK, but he isn't going to help JvR's lazy ass. Plus Hayes and JvR will be fighting each other for the center of the crease. JvR has better hands, but Hayes has a much better shot and release. Voracek will be Voracek...Hayes is going to have to do a whole lot of carrying on the defensive side for that line.

You do what you can to stock up your Allison's, Ratcliffe's, Ginning's etc. because when Braun and Niskanen expire (and hopefully Myers and Sanheim keep pushing up the lineup) you have a cheap young player to fill in to your 5 and 6 spot. This allows you to re-sign good players and KEEP winning as was my point.

Logically your response lends itself to the argument that 1 year of Justin Braun is worth a 2nd and 3rd round pick which is not a good argument to make.
- Lip_Out

why not? if his experience rubs off on the rest of the D and they learn from him it is well worth it

I was ok with the Niskanen deal, not thrilled.

The Braun deal was upsetting, you don't give up a 2nd and a 3rd for a defensive d-man with 1 year left on his deal.

Overpaying for Hayes is fine. The roster needed an upgrade, 2C probably being the most glaring hole and the ripple effect makes us more dangerous down the roster.

It's not the current cap situation I'm worried about. The way the roster is being framed these are going to be the guys to steer the ship for 2 years and some mobility will be at hand afterwards (Gudas and AMac $ gone, Nisky and Braun potentially gone) and Fletcher will probably look at offing high cap hits if things don't go according to plan. The question is more do you think this roster can win as opposed to what does this mean for the current cap. These actions are a commitment to the current roster as constructed.

What bothers me is the 2nd and 3rd round picks gone. To sustain winning you need an infusion of competent players on ELC's. These picks should be held in more high esteem.
- Lip_Out

I think Braun will pay dividends but I do agree a 2nd and 3rd was steep. That said you can flip Braun or even Niskanen and recover the 3rd or maybe the 2nd. Fletch did all this with only losing Gudas, who was not going to be resigned anyway.

https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/1234998

A just for fun Capfriendly I created. I'm growing more fond of Brandon Pirri as our 3rd line RW. I'd love to give him a shot on a trial contract.

They'd be smart to lock Sanheim up into a Morgan Rielly kinda deal. ~$5M

Provorov is probably looking for the Doughty 2nd-contract. ~$7M

Konecny justified in asking for $5M based on comparables.

Chuck doesn't seem to be the shrewdest negotiator, so I can't say that these players all won't end up getting what they're asking for.
- Tomahawk

Provorov might be the toughest one cause I'm sure he wants $7m but he had 26 points in his contract year.

Absolutely. 3 mil for laughton is over the top. If we can't get him for 2 or preferably less, fill the spots with ELC players/
- Hextall271

That’s how they have to do this. They’ll be able to make this work this year and next, but they will have to be ruthless with players on the fourth line and 5/6/7 defensemen

Laughton is a really good fourth liner. He can move up for stretches, but not an entire 82 games.

You gotta hard cap that at 2 million. You just gotta draw the line

This is only the beginning of Fletchers shopping spree. Welcome aboard, and fasten your seatbelts

Well both players are an upgrade to the defense and pk. Both will lessen the load of the young guys on D who have been thrown into the fire with pretty much no support.
Both 2 have short term deals that will have little to no bearing on any future cap issues. Both can help guide these players along when they hit a rough patch; something they havent had in the past.

To me that type of stuff is very important to the future growth of ivan myers, sanheim
- daryl stanley

I read a THN article that suggests that Niskanen really helped Carlson become elite, and the intention is similar for our kids. The article likes the Braun and Niskanen moves.

Actually a 2nd line of JvR-Hayes-Voracek scares me. Hayes does improve the center depth and helps immensely on the PK, but he isn't going to help JvR's lazy ass. Plus Hayes and JvR will be fighting each other for the center of the crease. JvR has better hands, but Hayes has a much better shot and release. Voracek will be Voracek...Hayes is going to have to do a whole lot of carrying on the defensive side for that line.
- Glak18

Wasnt there something about how we brought in this coaching to coach the forwards and play disciplined hockey or they wouldnt be in the lineup. Jake can play defense when he wants to. Hopefully they force him too. Or hes just another part of the problem that needs to go

This is only the beginning of Fletchers shopping spree. Welcome aboard, and fasten your seatbelts
- Landsbergfan

Would have to be trades we dint have the cap for much else

That’s how they have to do this. They’ll be able to make this work this year and next, but they will have to be ruthless with players on the fourth line and 5/6/7 defensemen

Laughton is a really good fourth liner. He can move up for stretches, but not an entire 82 games.

You gotta hard cap that at 2 million. You just gotta draw the line
- AllInForFlyers

If Laughton goes to arbitration he'll get more than that. 32 points, 15 minutes a game, 25 years old.

Devin Shore had 32 points in 17-18, and Dallas gave him two years at $2.3m. That's almost an exact comparable.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...ign-mark-stone-long-term/

The twitter replies to Bob Mac reporting the Hayes deal are

That’s how they have to do this. They’ll be able to make this work this year and next, but they will have to be ruthless with players on the fourth line and 5/6/7 defensemen

Laughton is a really good fourth liner. He can move up for stretches, but not an entire 82 games.

You gotta hard cap that at 2 million. You just gotta draw the line
- AllInForFlyers

even your bottom pair ideally a vet on a 1.5mm deal max and a young guy on a ELC.

I dont sign hartman or laughton for term unless it is a sweetheart deal. Give them both their required raise, maybe a tad more for laughton, and go year to year

I think Braun will pay dividends but I do agree a 2nd and 3rd was steep. That said you can flip Braun or even Niskanen and recover the 3rd or maybe the 2nd. Fletch did all this with only losing Gudas, who was not going to be resigned anyway.
- wcorvette

As I've said, the big worry for me is Fletch will send Ghost out the door after a down season. I just don't want to lose any of the young Dmen we have. Give Sanheim, Provy Ghost some further time to mature with the vet help brought in.

If Laughton goes to arbitration he'll get more than that. 32 points, 15 minutes a game, 25 years old.
- Feanor

Then you trade him or let him walk. I am not saying that’s preferable, but sometimes that is the kind of decision that will have to get made, if he isn’t in your plans for the third line

The twitter replies to Bob Mac reporting the Hayes deal are
- PLindbergh31

Yes, Twitter. Well known for rationality and reason