This offseason has left me with permanent wood



And we still have Kakko to add along with free agency and hopefully some salary shedding
- KreiderBomb

99% of us do too

no it's open until June 30th

I think during the time they can talk to free agents, they'll have a real good idea of what they can accomplish by then
- jimbro83

I think I finally might be onboard with you on the Smith buyout. I still think he can be a decent 4th liner for us, and I still think we could trade him 50% retained, but there really is only 1 painful year with him.

Or you could be a normal person?
- Slimtj100

Very normal! Gotta follow the St. Louis model!

Very normal! Gotta follow the St. Louis model!
- tomburton99

Nah. People gonna be following the Ranger model soon enough

I think I finally might be onboard with you on the Smith buyout. I still think he can be a decent 4th liner for us, and I still think we could trade him 50% retained, but there really is only 1 painful year with him.
- 2sticks1puck

I think they'll try like hell to do it, and if they can't by June 30th, they'll buy him out

Nah. People gonna be following the Ranger model soon enough
- Slimtj100

The no championships for 25 years model?! BAD DEAL!

do we really have to ask the site to ban you so we all can enjoy the next few days? does that really have to happen?
- jimbro83

Just ignore him like someone said the other day.
I have to be honest, it's working fine.
See the name, move along.

Just ignore him like someone said the other day.
I have to be honest, it's working fine.
See the name, move along.
- Tonybere

It’s just a shame as adults we have to do that to another adult mind boggling actually

I think they'll try like hell to do it, and if they can't by June 30th, they'll buy him out
- jimbro83

The buyout penalties starting in 22-23 season is what we have to worry about imo, what are they for those guys at that time? The next two years it’s like meh whatever as far as cap penalties

It’s just a shame as adults we have to do that to another adult mind boggling actually
- Slimtj100

You might want to consider searching for a better word there...

It’s just a shame as adults we have to do that to another adult mind boggling actually
- Slimtj100

No one ever accused us of being that.....

The buyout penalties starting in 22-23 season is what we have to worry about imo, what are they for those guys at that time? The next two years it’s like meh whatever as far as cap penalties
- Slimtj100

buying out Smith the worse cap hit is 2020-21, cap hit of 3.5 mil

but it coincides with Girardi's cap hit going a lot lower

buying out Smith the worse cap hit is 2020-21, cap hit of 3.5 mil

but it coincides with Girardi's cap hit going a lot lower
- jimbro83

Still think we can trade Smith

No one ever accused us of being that.....
- mdw7413

We are a kooky bunch

do we really have to ask the site to ban you so we all can enjoy the next few days? does that really have to happen?
- jimbro83

we can do that?

We are a kooky bunch
- Slimtj100

Great NYPost article speaking to Kakko's work ethic/demeanor:

https://nypost.com/2019/0...ight-i-think-hell-thrive/

buying out Smith the worse cap hit is 2020-21, cap hit of 3.5 mil

but it coincides with Girardi's cap hit going a lot lower
- jimbro83

Just 2 more years of the 3S

Still think we can trade Smith
- mdw7413

for like a 7th or maybe an injured squirrel?

Still think we can trade Smith
- mdw7413

I honestly think so too. I think if we really are all in on Panarin, we have to consider clearing out cap in short order. Smith is by far the most palatable buyout of anyone.

Trading for Trouba has a ripple effect. We really don't know what his next contract will be, but it won't be cheap. It's very possible if we got Panarin that his and Trouba's cap hits combined approach 20 million.

for like a 7th or maybe an injured squirrel?
- blueshirts_fan

Nah. He was playing well on the 4th line and if he can get back to playing well on defense this year, he could be traded

buying out Smith the worse cap hit is 2020-21, cap hit of 3.5 mil

but it coincides with Girardi's cap hit going a lot lower
- jimbro83

I’m sure I’ll get killed for this I was thinking last night, Trade Shatty for Turris, with Nashville keeping 2 mill or so because he has so many years left. So we’d be paying him 4 mill a yr as the 3C, which isn’t terrible. Then they trade Subban for a player

I think that’s the only you can rid yourselves of Shatty, taking on a bad contract. Is that better then a buy out tho?

Great NYPost article speaking to Kakko's work ethic/demeanor:

https://nypost.com/2019/0...ight-i-think-hell-thrive/
- rrentz

Also, Korpedo

for like a 7th or maybe an injured squirrel?
- blueshirts_fan

Banish him to the desert.

Just 2 more years of the 3S
- Fenrir

I am probably alone here, but I don't actually want Staal going anywhere.
Shatty is hard to move on from (even aside from his contract) because he represents a swing and miss. He has never been what we hoped and there's that underlying "maybe he'll figure it out." element, for some at least. But, with what is in the cupboard it's time to move along.
Smith was another swing and miss, but when we consider the best option is to plant him firmly in the way of prospects and overpay him for 4th line duty and 7 minutes a night, ba-bye.
Staal, on the other hand, improved his play last season. He is not what he was once upon a time, but he is a consummate professional, a great teammate, a locker room leader, a PK demon and steadying influence for the incoming young corps.
Still overpaying for what you get, yes, but we can't buyout every guy that ages and has his play drop off. It's simply not feasible.

I am probably alone here, but I don't actually want Staal going anywhere.
Shatty is hard to move on from (even aside from his contract) because he represents a swing and miss. He has never been what we hoped and there's that underlying "maybe he'll figure it out." element, for some at least. But, with what is in the cupboard it's time to move along.
Smith was another swing and miss, but when we consider the best option is to plant him firmly in the way of prospects and overpay him for 4th line duty and 7 minutes a night, ba-bye.
Staal, on the other hand, improved his play last season. He is not what he was once upon a time, but he is a consummate professional, a great teammate, a locker room leader, a PK demon and steadying influence for the incoming young corps.
Still overpaying for what you get, yes, but we can't buyout every guy that ages and has his play drop off. It's simply not feasible.
- Tonybere

I agree on Staal too. He's not horrible, and on most nights he is fine on D. His leadership will be needed, and he can take some nights off throughout his last season for NYR.

Try to trade Shatty and retain some $$.

Try to trade Smith and retain some $$ as well.

Would love to see Gorton move those two w/out buying out any contracts