A great value pick.

When there are other prospects you like a whole lot you.might want to take players first whom skate well. Dach is an average skater.

I understand that skating can be not as big a concern if the player knows well and executes well. Nonetheless skating is a concern when the league is getting faster each season.
- jhawk59

59, Dach is an elite skater and that is at 6ft 4in. He does not have straight ahead breakaway speed but can change direction on a dime, guess the new phrase is 360 degree skating ability. .......... No doubt some NHL organIzations have him as the 3rd best player in this draft and they just might be right. Problem has been consistency.

Pick a link and watch this kid skate, his size and hands. A freak: https://www.youtube.com/r...s?search_query=kirby+dach

59, Dach is an elite skater and that is at 6ft 4in. He does not have straight ahead breakaway speed but can change direction on a dime, guess the new phrase is 360 degree skating ability. .......... No doubt some NHL organIzations have him as the 3rd best player in this draft and they just might be right. Problem has been consistency.

Pick a link and watch this kid skate, his size and hands. A freak: https://www.youtube.com/r...s?search_query=kirby+dach
- Mr Ricochet

Colliton could plug this kid on the wing with Toews-Kane this fall and he would probably be the Calder Trophy winner.

Colliton could plug this kid on the wing with Toews-Kane this fall and he would probably be the Calder Trophy winner.


- EnzoD

Dude, it still hasn't sunk in the Hawks have the #3 pick. Seriously. A fan of this club we're always in cap hell, get the 30th pick and in a few days their gonna get the #3 overall AND they have cap space. .......... It hasn't, and may never, sink in.

Who they should draft #3 is waaaaaaaaaaay above my pay grade. I watched the U-18's live this yr, didn't notice Hughes until the 2nd period, times I did think it was him it was Zegras, and on the way home all I could think about was Beecher. An absolute beast, I was scared he'd hurt someone. A huge centerman, up to near full speed in 2-3 strides and can work his edges....... No, I'm no scout leaving a record setting NTDP U-18 team game thinking about Beecher.

Dach with an NHL club come October? Hell yea that could happen. Size, IQ and skill to do it.

What they do will affect this franchise for 10 yrs. Just do the right thing, whatever the hell that is.

In my humble opinion on Dach I think he has a lower floor than Zegras or Turcotte, maybe even Cozens who might well end up a winger in the bigs. I could see Dach a dominant 1C or an enigmatic 3C. ............ Hate like hell to say anything definitive when I don't see a kid live, a huuuuuge difference for me live vs film, but watching this kid with his size and tools on film he should have put up 100 points on a very good Blades squad when he already had a full season and 20 games of another in Major Junior going into last yr.

To me that is concerning at #3. At 10, no but at 3 it makes me nervous.

This is no different than a company announcing earnings 7 days after the year ends - never happens. Financials just take time to process.
- riozzo

They don’t need financials - all they need to knows is HRR - which they should have had a good handle on weeks ago; they have to project that into next season - which also should have been 90% done by the end of the playoffs; and they have to work with the players to get to a final number.

At least that’s how I would think it works - there could be stuff I’m missing.

But they should be able to get it done before the draft.

I would think.

And this isn’t the first time they gave out an estimated number - and then had to reduce it (presumably) when finalized.

Jesse Puljujarvi has made it clear to the Edmonton Oilers he wants to be traded. He wants a fresh start to his young NHL career. It’s believed the Oilers are willing to accommodate, but won’t give him away and intend on being patient in finding a right fit.

They don’t need financials - all they need to knows is HRR - which they should have had a good handle on weeks ago; they have to project that into next season - which also should have been 90% done by the end of the playoffs; and they have to work with the players to get to a final number.

At least that’s how I would think it works - there could be stuff I’m missing.

But they should be able to get it done before the draft.

I would think.

And this isn’t the first time they gave out an estimated number - and then had to reduce it (presumably) when finalized.
- StLBravesFan

I'm not an expert on the business side of hockey - so I could be wrong about this - but I thought HRR included all revenue from the season including the playoffs so they couldn't know the HRR figure until after the Stanley Cup was over. Having said that - I don't see how this season is any different than past seasons when they had HRR figured out by the time of the draft.

I'm not an expert on the business side of hockey - so I could be wrong about this - but I thought HRR included all revenue from the season including the playoffs so they couldn't know the HRR figure until after the Stanley Cup was over. Having said that - I don't see how this season is any different than past seasons when they had HRR figured out by the time of the draft.
- EbonyRaptor

What don’t they know ahead? Insignificant amounts.

TV revenues are fixed, attendance for the playoffs times ticket prices are known ahead, concessions - yeah, some variability, but they should be able to project that upfront reasonably well.

What’s missing?

What don’t they know ahead? Insignificant amounts.

TV revenues are fixed, attendance for the playoffs times ticket prices are known ahead, concessions - yeah, some variability, but they should be able to project that upfront reasonably well.

What’s missing?
- StLBravesFan

As I said - I don't know the business side of the NHL very well but it seems like the pattern is they estimate the cap ceiling a month or more ahead of the SCF but then don't make the number official until after the SCF and before the draft, often times lower than their estimate ... so it seems logical to me that they don't have all the data they need until after the SCF.

What don’t they know ahead? Insignificant amounts.

TV revenues are fixed, attendance for the playoffs times ticket prices are known ahead, concessions - yeah, some variability, but they should be able to project that upfront reasonably well.

What’s missing?
- StLBravesFan

merch sales is all I got.

Jesse Puljujarvi has made it clear to the Edmonton Oilers he wants to be traded. He wants a fresh start to his young NHL career. It’s believed the Oilers are willing to accommodate, but won’t give him away and intend on being patient in finding a right fit.
- walleyeb1

I was hoping Stan was gonna get him thrown into the Klefbom trade....until he got Maatta.

Maybe we can trade Drake back for him lol

If so....Brandon Manning for 21yr #4 overall pick who’s 6-4 or 6-5.

Yes please

Who is helped by delaying cap announcement?

Who is hurt by delaying cap announcement?

Answer those questions and you will know why.

Could be something as stupid as not wanting trades to distract from the draft hype.

merch sales is all I got.
- Elbows15

Yeah - that's got to be part of it but the pertinent question here is what is different this year when they need more time than past years when they got the official cap ceiling figured out and announced before the draft?

If we go all Finnish in the back there could be benefits.

Risto was always over slotted, playing w/Olli-Joki might
help and face it if the cap doesn't go u how do we afford
Cat/Strome?
- gazza53

4 different coaches and 2 different GMs have thought they can get more out of Risto. Risto is a PP specialist that isn't vg in his own zone. Hard pass for me.
The cap is going up. What is being reported is the next two year might see smaller increases than originally thought. They have room for Strome and Dinky.

merch sales is all I got.
- Elbows15

Like concessions - if they can’t project that within 5% of the final number, they need new accountants.

Hey by the way -

Friedman says the Leafs have told Mitch Marner if he wants the big number ($11M AAV) he needs to sign for 8 years, Marner's camp is not prepared to do that

So much for those Toronto fans with their heads in the sand thinking Marner was going to be reasonable and sign for like $9M.

Yeah - that's got to be part of it but the pertinent question here is what is different this year when they need more time than past years when they got the official cap ceiling figured out and announced before the draft?
- EbonyRaptor

The threat of the labor deal being opted out by either side this September is my guess.

Like concessions - if they can’t project that within 5% of the final number, they need new accountants.
- StLBravesFan

This. If they cant forecast this number within a half percent, they are idiots. There is no reason why this number should have not been out yesterday.

4 different coaches and 2 different GMs have thought they can get more out of Risto. Risto is a PP specialist that isn't vg in his own zone. Hard pass for me.
The cap is going up. What is being reported is the next two year might see smaller increases than originally thought. They have room for Strome and Dinky.
- Elbows15

Can they win Cup w/Dinky/Strome and though asking for Risto,
Mittlestadt and the number 7 are what makes the trade worth it.

Imagine getting 3 good picks from this draft maybe 4 that can
play in 2 years, still in 19-88 and maybe 2-50 window.

Risto might grow w say Keith/Matta/Joki as partner and w/Byram
maybe Boquist and next years D and forwards would look pretty
good.

Yes a lot of if's but why not.

This. If they cant forecast this number within a half percent, they are idiots. There is no reason why this number should have not been out yesterday.
- Lido_Shuffle

My guess - only a guess - along with Elbow’s comment just above - is that the negotiation for the final number with the PA is the hold up.

Players are talking about the main bargaining issue on the next CBA will be about the escrow - they’re tired of giving back 11% of their salaries to the owners.

I’m guessing that they are wanting a lower cap - resulting in a lower escrow - for the coming season.

But most of this could have been settled earlier, too.

This. If they cant forecast this number within a half percent, they are idiots. There is no reason why this number should have not been out yesterday.
- Lido_Shuffle

They’re saying between $81.5 and $82.1 million.

My guess - only a guess - along with Elbow’s comment just above - is that the negotiation for the final number with the PA is the hold up.

Players are talking about the main bargaining issue on the next CBA will be about the escrow - they’re tired of giving back 11% of their salaries to the owners.

I’m guessing that they are wanting a lower cap - resulting in a lower escrow - for the coming season.

But most of this could have been settled earlier, too.
- StLBravesFan

Lower cap? Do you know what those implications would be? Catastrophic.

Lower cap? Do you know what those implications would be? Catastrophic.
- gifman

I meant a lower cap than what the league wants.

What don’t they know ahead? Insignificant amounts.

TV revenues are fixed, attendance for the playoffs times ticket prices are known ahead, concessions - yeah, some variability, but they should be able to project that upfront reasonably well.

What’s missing?
- StLBravesFan

The cba is coming up for an opt out vote in September. Typical owner bullpoop pulling the reigns back on the salary cap. With computers and bean counters and the numbers they crunch constantly, these owners are a joke. If you can't afford your team please sell it to someone else who can afford it.

Can they win Cup w/Dinky/Strome and though asking for Risto,
Mittlestadt and the number 7 are what makes the trade worth it.

Imagine getting 3 good picks from this draft maybe 4 that can
play in 2 years, still in 19-88 and maybe 2-50 window.

Risto might grow w say Keith/Matta/Joki as partner and w/Byram
maybe Boquist and next years D and forwards would look pretty
good.

Yes a lot of if's but why not.
- gazza53

From my point of view, precisely because there are so many “ifs”. You are trading away one sure thing (ADB), and one guy who has had success in the current system, for a guy with a worse track record than Strome, and a D-man who is not all that useful defensively.

All you get out of any draft (outside of occasionally the #1 pick) is potential. I think people put way too much stock in immediate or near term returns from draft picks. I don’t have any desire to hitch my wagon to potential. Nor am I all that interested in having a team with as many reclamation projects as true slotted players.

1-2 projects fine. Outside of that “show me, don’t tell me”.