Wasn't it Byram?
- Elbows15

I think you're right, Cozens was the back-up.

I remember you being particularly fond of Cozens.
- I Am The Breadman

No, you guys are way off. It’s a prospect named Cloverfield.

That’s all Darth has been talking about... Cloverfield this... and Cloverfield that...

Marleau: This is a 35-plus contract and therefore the buyout has no effect on the players cap hit. Please see the Buyout FAQ for more information
- walleyeb1

Correct - so the Hawks would have Marleau's entire $6.25M cap hit on the books for 2019/20. Hawks pay the bill in 2019/20, Marleau goes on his merry way and the Hawks get the sweetener from Toronto (Kapanen). Everyone is happy.

Correct - so the Hawks would have Marleau's entire $6.25M cap hit on the books for 2019/20. Hawks pay the bill in 2019/20, Marleau goes on his merry way and the Hawks get the sweetener from Toronto (Kapanen). Everyone is happy.
- EbonyRaptor

I thought recreational marijuana wasn’t legal in Illinois until 1/1/20... how did you get a head start?

I thought recreational marijuana wasn’t legal in Illinois until 1/1/20... how did you get a head start?
- Chief4Feathers

Enzo

The Hawks wouldn't be extending his cap hit - they would take on his 2019/20 cap hit and then it would come off the books after the 2019/20 season. This is just another way to use available 2019/20 cap space that will then be freed up to be used to re-sign Cat/Strome. It's essentially no different than taking on Callahan from T.B. in order to get a nice sweetener from T.B. for ridding then of Callahan's albatross contract. The only difference is with the Callahan deal we would have him on the team for 2019/20, whereas with Marleau we would buy him out so he can become a UFA and go sign a cheap deal with San Jose.

Since Marleau is a 35+ contract, and since he has only 1 season remaining on his contract - the buyout rule is the the entire cap hit is carried for that one year - it is not extended over multiple years like it is with players under 35.
- EbonyRaptor

Doesn't seem like that great of a deal for hawks, we give up gus and 6 mil of cap space for kappenen. Think we need a prospect or draft pick from toronto to even it up.

I thought recreational marijuana wasn’t legal in Illinois until 1/1/20... how did you get a head start?
- Chief4Feathers

My head may be in the clouds but my feet are planted firmly on terra firma.

Doesn't seem like that great of a deal for hawks, we give up gus and 6 mil of cap space for kappenen. Think we need a prospect or draft pick from toronto to even it up.
- bhawk1s

We wouldn't be giving up $6M of cap space because we only have that cap space to use for the 2019/20 season. After the 2019/20 season we will need that cap space to re-sign Cat and Strome. Therefore a bunch of the 2019/20 cap space has to be squirreled away for next summer unless there is a way to use it in a 1-year deal - like taking on Marleau's cap hit - or taking on Callahan's 1-year albatross cap hit from T.B - or taking on Clarkson 1-year albatross LTIR cap hit from Vegas - etc.

Correct - so the Hawks would have Marleau's entire $6.25M cap hit on the books for 2019/20. Hawks pay the bill in 2019/20, Marleau goes on his merry way and the Hawks get the sweetener from Toronto (Kapanen). Everyone is happy.
- EbonyRaptor

How much money does it take to sign Kapanen? Not sure why we’d want to basically trade Gustafsson for Kapanen.

We wouldn't be giving up $6M of cap space because we only have that cap space to use for the 2019/20 season. After the 2019/20 season we will need that cap space to re-sign Cat and Strome. Therefore a bunch of the 2019/20 cap space has to be squirreled away for next summer unless there is a way to use it in a 1-year deal - like taking on Marleau's cap hit - or taking on Callahan's 1-year albatross cap hit from T.B - or taking on Clarkson 1-year albatross LTIR cap hit from Vegas - etc.
- EbonyRaptor

regardless of the 1 year cap duration, toronto is in cap trouble, they should be paying more to get out of it. a prospect or 4th this year or third next year sounds fair to me.

regardless of the 1 year cap duration, toronto is in cap trouble, they should be paying more to get out of it. a prospect or 4th this year or third next year sounds fair to me.
- bhawk1s

Or how about we let TOR gut their team after overpaying their young super stars after they won multiple cups... oh wait...

How much money does it take to sign Kapanen? Not sure why we’d want to basically trade Gustafsson for Kapanen.
- walleyeb1

I'm guessing it will take in the $5M-$6M range to sign Kapanen. Kapanen is only 22, got good size, great skater, plays fast. He would be an ideal top-6 winger who forechecks, plays defense and can score.

Maybe Gustafsson is overpay - but I look at Gustafsson as not part of the Hawks future so I'm in the camp to sell high now on him and I think a Gustafsson for Kapanen trade is pretty good for the Hawks.

Or how about we let TOR gut their team after overpaying their young super stars after they won multiple cups... oh wait...
- Slofire94

that may be outside the hawks core window

regardless of the 1 year cap duration, toronto is in cap trouble, they should be paying more to get out of it. a prospect or 4th this year or third next year sounds fair to me.
- bhawk1s

You may be right - I just think Toronto will have other trading options to solve their cap problem and I think it would take something closer to my proposal than a prospect and 4th.

As excited as we all are about the third overall pick, I think the story of this off season will be the trades and free agent moves Stan makes, not the draft.

I'm guessing it will take in the $5M-$6M range to sign Kapanen. Kapanen is only 22, got good size, great skater, plays fast. He would be an ideal top-6 winger who forechecks, plays defense and can score.

Maybe Gustafsson is overpay - but I look at Gustafsson as not part of the Hawks future so I'm in the camp to sell high now on him and I think a Gustafsson for Kapanen trade is pretty good for the Hawks.
- EbonyRaptor

If there is a willing trade partner, as an alternative to your proposal would you prefer instead to gain a mid #1 2019 ostensibly to use to draft one of the top two goaltender prospect? The two netminders are spoken of as being extraordinary since they are deemed worthy of first round status - a break from the normal when this position player is not taken.or worthy of such accolade.

The outline for such a trade would be Gus + prospect or #2 2019 for their #1 2019. Without perusing the various team needs I can at least suggest that the Penguins would like a cheaper Gus instead of the bloated contract and porous J Johnson. I do not know how the Penguins would absolve themselves of Johnson

You think so, Rick? Ristolainen would be the best Hawk Dman if he were a Hawk today. Has played under what 3 coaches/systems in the NHL in his almost 6 seasons, as you mention crap around him, played pro since he was 17, 1st pairing guy as a rookie with BUF, averaged 26:00 TOI for 3 or so seasons, 200 hits, 100+ blocks a season, pencil him in for 40 points, 20+ PP points...... Yea his fancies suck but take them, and his NHL career, into context at 24 yrs old, 5-1/2 NHL seasons and 400+ NHL games and 100 FIN pro games.

I ain't saying go get him but this kid has a ton of experience and on his Hawk club, their best Dman. Put a young, talented, experienced guy like him on even a decent club and there is probably a lot of upside.
- Mr Ricochet

Well Mr.R I don't think I was suggesting Risto wasn't a player who didn't/couldn't perform at all at an NHL level. What he is, among other things, is a victim of having played his entire NHL career to date on terrible teams in Buffalo. And by terrible I mean every aspect - their roster; coaching staffs; drafting/trading and free agent signings and other ownership decisions. Its been a toxic demoralizing place for anybody to play in. ROR found that out and engineered an escape. Robin Lehner as well.

But, you might not think plus/minus is a relevant stat in today's game, but how does any player in the NHL accomplish -41 for a season and -143 over his entire career? He seems to go from bad to even worse year after year. And those numbers don't suggest he would improve substantially with just a change of address to Chicago or anywhere.

Its too late now but Risto should have been given development time with in the minors. Instead he was rushed into the league at 18 on a real bad team. Let's hope the Sabres don't ruin Rasmus Dahlin by doing the same thing.

And the Hawks & JC just might be doing the right thing totally by proceeding slowly with Joki (despite what fans think).

If there is a willing trade partner, as an alternative to your proposal would you prefer instead to gsin a mid #1 2019 ostensibly to use to draft one of the top two goaltrndet prospect? The two netminders are spoken of as being extraordinary since they are deemed worthy of first round status - a break from the normal when this position player is not taken.or worthy of such accolade.

The outline for such a trade would be Gus + prospect or #2 2019 for their #1 2019. Without perusing the various team needs I can at least suggest that the Penguins would like a cheaper Gus instead of the bloated contract and porous J Johnson. I do not know how the Penguins would absolve themselves of Johnson
- jhawk59

Sure - I would consider any number of ways to use that 2019/20 "dead" cap space to improve the team with draft pick or players. I just figure it would be a waste of an asset if it isn't used in one of these proposed 1-year deals.

I'm guessing it will take in the $5M-$6M range to sign Kapanen. Kapanen is only 22, got good size, great skater, plays fast. He would be an ideal top-6 winger who forechecks, plays defense and can score.

Maybe Gustafsson is overpay - but I look at Gustafsson as not part of the Hawks future so I'm in the camp to sell high now on him and I think a Gustafsson for Kapanen trade is pretty good for the Hawks.
- EbonyRaptor

So if you were the GM of the Hawks you would be willing to give up a 60 point Dman playing for $1.2M in order to acquire a winger with 133 NHL regular season games and 28 goals total under his belt? And then sign him to a $6M multi year deal?

Dont get me wrong I like Kapanen quite a bit - he's fast, plays hard and has some jam to his game. But your trade proposal and your salary suggestion don't make sense to me. If they can sign him, the Leafs won't pay more than $3.5M on a new deal and the kid should consider himself really lucky, particularly since the Bruins erased him 2 years in a row in the playoffs.

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When you mention waste.of an asset, my mind immediately races to the conjecture of how some bloggers would trade a dman prospect. Right. Before wr saw or got a taste of what they might become whennsuit up for some NHL games.

I hope that either Byram goes #2 or after our pick. I would not mind seeing a dman prospect traded straight up for another team's prospect (just an exsmple since it has been mentioned on the board)
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The team suggested was.Montreal but that is a situation where Bergevin's reported infatuation for Beaudin could be fruitless for Montreal. That would be due to the fact that the Csnadiens have needed center help and they still do even following the Drouin and Domi deals. Bergevin has a couple nice center prospects perhaps close to NHL but is he loathe to trade one of them for Beaudin. Suzuki was a top choice (first round?) and the other prospect tallied a hat trick for Montreal in their.season finale or one of the last games.

EA Sports announced its cover player for their NHL 20 game will be. A Mathews. Is that due to better name recognition? Is he the more glamourous spokesperson?

Late add: than Marner

Regardless of what we think, the reason the Hawks stockpiling on mobile, high-IQ passers who can QB a PP is because thats what they want. To that end, is Bowen really that much better than the four top D prospects in the Hawks pipeline?

Wiz isn't so high on him and it looks like he has the same downsides defensively, and any trade of the current defensive prospects will be from a disadvantaged position.

No, I see Stanbo, the perpetual bean counter making the value play, pumping the tires on Bowen and then trading down into the 6-12 range, hoping for a Dach, Podkolzin or Broberg, and picking up some important pieces in the process.

Hawks would be best suited to wait until the season is over....

16 pts in 48 games with Arizona
51 pts in 58 games with the Hawks

Which player is he?
- SteveRain

I'd say the latter.... Over these years I have seen so many players that just needed a change of scenery and it really improved their games, or in some cases revitalized their careers...

IMO, I think Strome is going to be a beast and a consistent 70-80 point player.... And make no mistake playing with his buddy DeBrincat really helped - I mean their chemistry hasn't shifted a beat since their time with the Erie Otters...

I think some systems just don't work for talented players, and Arizona's system didn't work for Strome.....

So yea, I think he will be just as good next season - if not better.

As far as his next contract..... I expect a standard 3-year bridge deal of 3.5.. DeBrincat's next contract on the other hand will be a bit more tricky.... I would assume 3-years 6 per range... Of course that depends on what he does this season. I mean DeBrincat scores 50 goals 85-90 points, now you're talking 8 per range, possibly more.

Of course that's why I hope Bowman really thinks about what these kids contracts could potentially be a year or 2 from now and plans for that when he's signing UFA's or acquiring players this summer....

I will say this much, it would be really nice to get rid of Seabrook and Anisimov tho - even if the Hawks have to retain a little on Seabrook... Perhaps Seabrook would be willing to go to Florida, and the Hawks can retain 2 million... Because that could really help the Hawks in many ways from opening up cap space for DeBrincat to opening up a spot on the blue line for one of the kids....

No, you guys are way off. It’s a prospect named Cloverfield.

That’s all Darth has been talking about... Cloverfield this... and Cloverfield that...
- Chief4Feathers

No way.....

But I could see Bowman moving down, grabbing so assets in the process and taking Cole Caufield... Yea, I know the kid is small but he's a beast, a pure goal scorer.. Besides, does it really need to be pointed out that size in the NHL these days means absolutely nothing......

I mean imagine having 2 Alex DeBrincats and TBH, I think Caufield may be better than DeBrincat and obviously that is no knock on DeBrincat lol....

Who knows with Bowman tho, he's not exactly predictable - he could move up in the draft to #2 and grab Kakko..... I mean the Hawks have the assets to do that.

There is no way in any (frank)ing world Risto is better than Keith. Even at 36 As much as his team has sucked, even the sucky players are better not playing with him.

For the last 4 seasons, IIRC his most common teammates are Eichel, ROR, E Kane and Reinhart.
- Elbows15

Hey if that's the evaluation you draw from reading stats, reading opinions, looking at highlights who am I to argue with you, Bows.