If Brodie is willing to sign a 6x6 contract, I think we should do it and trade Hamonic presto. And expose him to Seattle if we really need aditionnal cap space next summer.
- redseerpf

Umm wtf, that would be a horrendous mistake signing brodie for 6mil a year for another 6 years

Umm wtf, that would be a horrendous mistake signing brodie for 6mil a year for another 6 years
- FLAM3SFAN

I bet you would be willing to give that to Hamonic though?

Yes, he does have a great contract - which is why you need to consider maximizing that asset now. They aren't re-signing the guy, they can more than ably compete with Ras or Hamonic on the top pair if they had to, and would be adding a legitimate offensive presence and additional speed with a Zucker type, something that crushed them in the playoffs vs. Colorado.

Frolik is not a Flame next year, that's all but guaranteed at this point. He doesn't want to be here, Peters made it pretty clear how he felt about the guy and the agent is a cancer.

Again, you don't need Gio's partner to carry the 1st pairing, Gio did that with Wideman on his other side... Turn Brodie into real assets to compete long term, don't narrow the focus to here and now. You need the cap space to round out the team and can afford to deal from a position of strength and depth.
- rmull905

The team shouldn't be in maximizing asset for the future mode, they should be in maximizing the team on the ice mode.

As long as they figure out an adequate goalie situation the team doesn't need to get any rounder. They're as round as you get. Having Zucker over Frolik wouldn't have changed things at all in the playoffs. The Flames are already full up on speedy, smallish wingers. Zucker doesn't make them better.

Um, what?

There isn't a single area of the game where Andersson is already better than Brodie unless you're counting hair.

I guess Andersson is a little more physical, but come one, Brodie is clearly the better player.
- Hunkulese

Lets agree to disagree.
A right shot with a cannon playing the right side versus a left shot with a pellet gun playing the right side.
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I bet you would be willing to give that to Hamonic though?
- redseerpf

Hamonic isnt that greedy & if he signs a 4-5 year deal at 5.0 mill without any NMC's , that wouldnt be bad. Personally, the beancounter in me says sell both Hamonic & Brodie & roll with the kids & put Stone on the 3rd pairing. We could get as Garth would quote "A Treasure Trove" return back. I know I would get scorched for trading both but I would resign Fanta for cheap, we have Stone & between Valamaki, Andersson & Kyllington we would be ok. Yelesin may prove to be a revelation down in Stockton as well.

The other thing that's out there is Gio is probably going to win the Norris tonight. Is BT going to trade away his long time partner who helped him get there ? I just can't see that happening. If Gio gives a shout out to Brodie tonight, I think all talk of trading Brodie is done.

Lets agree to disagree.
A right shot with a cannon playing the right side versus a left shot with a pellet gun playing the right side.
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- DEDDIE

So he's better in the skills competition?

Andersson had one goal and four primary points last year. That's less than even Kylington who only played 38 games. His defensive game also isn't anything special Andersson probably has a bright future, but he's nowhere near Brodie at this point.

The plus size lady has yet to sing........now that the Ducks have bought out Perry, don't be surprised if BT returns to his penchant of signing over the hill power forwards (Brower, Neal (Jager to a lesser degree)) and Perry arrives with fanfare and accolades as he plays 40 games and scores a whopping 8 goals. And then he trades Hamonic while Brodie basks in Giordano's shadow for another year. Hope I'm wrong

The team shouldn't be in maximizing asset for the future mode, they should be in maximizing the team on the ice mode.

As long as they figure out an adequate goalie situation the team doesn't need to get any rounder. They're as round as you get. Having Zucker over Frolik wouldn't have changed things at all in the playoffs. The Flames are already full up on speedy, smallish wingers. Zucker doesn't make them better.
- Hunkulese

It's not maximizing for future mode Hunky.

Brodie/Hamonic will not both be on the roster next year, and Brodie was a defensive DISASTER in the playoffs.

Frolik has been as good as traded since his agent went on his rant and he no-showed for the rest of the season... Flames need size and speed throughout the lineup. Frolik offers neither.

This isn't about maximizing talent 5 years from now, this is about taking full advantage of an opportunity to inject cheap talent in your lineup as little as a year from now, if not immediately, so that you can afford to spend more in other areas (like the net maybe?) for the next 3 years when you hope to contend.

And yes, having Zucker might have made a real difference in that first round...

Frolik did nothing. He got 9 minutes in the last game. Powerplay was dead, could have used some additional skill on the second unit. Avs focused their top D on the Gaudreau line to the point the Flames had to try to break them up and they otherwise skated circles around the Flames the entire series. You're saying having a consistent 20-30 goal guy in your lineup when the 2 games went to OT wouldn't have mattered?

The other thing that's out there is Gio is probably going to win the Norris tonight. Is BT going to trade away his long time partner who helped him get there ? I just can't see that happening. If Gio gives a shout out to Brodie tonight, I think all talk of trading Brodie is done.
- tincup

Meh, Gio has played with guys like Dougie, Wideman etc over the years. Don't think it matters much. Andersson would thrive with him.

Frolik did nothing. He got 9 minutes in the last game. Powerplay was dead, could have used some additional skill on the second unit. Avs focused their top D on the Gaudreau line to the point the Flames had to try to break them up and they otherwise skated circles around the Flames the entire series. You're saying having a consistent 20-30 goal guy in your lineup when the 2 games went to OT wouldn't have mattered?
- rmull905

You might want to look up what Zucker's done in the playoffs. If there's one thing he's consistent at, it's disappearing when the playoffs start. He's been to the playoffs 5 times and has 8 points.

The Flames were second in the league in goals scored last year. A small scoring winger wasn't what they were missing.

The only reason the Flames lost to the Avs last year was that they were overconfident. It wasn't a lineup problem. If the Flames had lost game one, they likely would have won the series.

There's also zero indication that Peters hates Frolik. It's mostly media nonsense.

You might want to look up what Zucker's done in the playoffs. If there's one thing he's consistent at, it's disappearing when the playoffs start. He's been to the playoffs 5 times and has 8 points.

The Flames were second in the league in goals scored last year. A small scoring winger wasn't what they were missing.

The only reason the Flames lost to the Avs last year was that they were overconfident. It wasn't a lineup problem. If the Flames had lost game one, they likely would have won the series.

There's also zero indication that Peters hates Frolik. It's mostly media nonsense.
- Hunkulese

I like Frolik a lot, but upgrading that 2nd line RW position is a must, whether you like it or not. Especially since we can expect slight regression from Lindholm, Gaudreau, Giordano and even Tkachuk next year.

That's why I like Tippett from Florida, I think he could do wonders on the 1rst line with Gaudreau and Monahan, and Lindholm could take Frolik's spot on the "defensive line" without missing a beat.

Canes announcing they'll likely not be re-signing Mrazek. I bet BT will be eager to pounce on yet another Hurricane connection

I could live with a Mrazek and Ritter duo if the former plays like he did last year!

You might want to look up what Zucker's done in the playoffs. If there's one thing he's consistent at, it's disappearing when the playoffs start. He's been to the playoffs 5 times and has 8 points.

The Flames were second in the league in goals scored last year. A small scoring winger wasn't what they were missing.

The only reason the Flames lost to the Avs last year was that they were overconfident. It wasn't a lineup problem. If the Flames had lost game one, they likely would have won the series.

There's also zero indication that Peters hates Frolik. It's mostly media nonsense.
- Hunkulese

Sooooo benching Frolik at various points throughout the season wasn't Peters demonstrating frustration in Frolik's play? Or playing him for 9 minutes in a do or die game? Then there's this?

https://flamesnation.ca/2...nd-to-allan-walshs-tweet/

As for Zucker, sure, he hasn't had playoff success - did you happen to check the other top scorers on that team... bit of a trend that Minnesota is/was a one-line team and their lack of scoring depth got exposed. In a system where Zucker isn't the top scorer or playing on the top line, he'd likely thrive in a playoff series.

And yes, Flames were a great regular season scoring team - their depth and speed were exposed against the Avs.

How do you prove/disprove confidence? That's a dumb argument. What was demonstrated was that the Avs consistently outskated the team, both offensively and defensively, throughout the entire series. A team is not overconfident down 3 games to 1 - followed by laying an absolute egg in Game 5. They couldn't handle the Avs team speed and size.

Flames need size and scoring DEPTH. And reliable goaltending (though that was pretty clearly not the problem in the playoffs)

Canes announcing they'll likely not be re-signing Mrazek. I bet BT will be eager to pounce on yet another Hurricane connection

I could live with a Mrazek and Ritter duo if the former plays like he did last year!
- LittleBroDougie

Yup - mentioned this in the Reimer thread as the ideal target of the FA's out there...

Provided he isn't overly expensive, I could absolutely see this (statistically, the guy was solid and for the entire season apart from a 4 game stretch in January). Really surprised by that move, but that's what makes me wonder about the pricetag... or possible jump to the KHL

Yup - mentioned this in the Reimer thread as the ideal target of the FA's out there...

Provided he isn't overly expensive, I could absolutely see this (statistically, the guy was solid and for the entire season apart from a 4 game stretch in January). Really surprised by that move, but that's what makes me wonder about the pricetag... or possible jump to the KHL
- rmull905

It's definitely a cost issue. Canes have historically been stingy on signing high-priced contracts. They aren't willing to give term and dollars to someone who's been around only a short-time. Hell, they let Skinner, Lindholm, and Hanifin go for more or less similar reasons and they were supposed to be core pieces.

Sooooo benching Frolik at various points throughout the season wasn't Peters demonstrating frustration in Frolik's play? Or playing him for 9 minutes in a do or die game? Then there's this?

https://flamesnation.ca/2...nd-to-allan-walshs-tweet/

As for Zucker, sure, he hasn't had playoff success - did you happen to check the other top scorers on that team... bit of a trend that Minnesota is/was a one-line team and their lack of scoring depth got exposed. In a system where Zucker isn't the top scorer or playing on the top line, he'd likely thrive in a playoff series.

And yes, Flames were a great regular season scoring team - their depth and speed were exposed against the Avs.

How do you prove/disprove confidence? That's a dumb argument. What was demonstrated was that the Avs consistently outskated the team, both offensively and defensively, throughout the entire series. A team is not overconfident down 3 games to 1 - followed by laying an absolute egg in Game 5. They couldn't handle the Avs team speed and size.

Flames need size and scoring DEPTH. And reliable goaltending (though that was pretty clearly not the problem in the playoffs)
- rmull905

And then Frolik throws the 1st line and the team BT built under the bus with this quote on garbage bag day 2019.
“Our first line had an awesome regular season but in the playoffs it’s a little different. I think the core has it, I think they can do it. I think we need more bigger bodies and the meanness.”

Dude is gone.

Flames need size and scoring DEPTH. And reliable goaltending (though that was pretty clearly not the problem in the playoffs)
- rmull905

So we're just going to ignore everything that happened last year? You know, when the Flames scored 289 goals and had better scoring depth than both Cup finalists. Scoring depth was the Flames biggest strength last year and all of that doesn't go away because they had a bad two weeks.

You might want to look up what Zucker's done in the playoffs. If there's one thing he's consistent at, it's disappearing when the playoffs start. He's been to the playoffs 5 times and has 8 points.

The Flames were second in the league in goals scored last year. A small scoring winger wasn't what they were missing.

The only reason the Flames lost to the Avs last year was that they were overconfident. It wasn't a lineup problem. If the Flames had lost game one, they likely would have won the series.

There's also zero indication that Peters hates Frolik. It's mostly media nonsense.
- Hunkulese

So Peters benching Frolik multiple times throughout the season is a vote of confidence now?

I swear man sometimes you make decent points and then you go and post garbage like this.

Brodie has a great contract - which is a big reason why the Flames can get some quality assets for him right now, especially with the Defenseman market being as it is currently. The Flames have all three of Anderrson, Valimaki, and Kylington ready to take on bigger roles next season, and I'd rather move Brodie over Hamonic because it is much harder for Calgary to replace Hamonic than Brodie.

If we're going to make a run in the next few years than good asset management is critical. Brodie will not be with the team next season so it makes way more sense to sell high on him now and shore up things elsewhere in the lineup than it does to ride things out with him only to have him walk at the end of the season.

Now obviously if teams don't put in an offer good enough we don't trade him, but with the market being as it is for defenseman I think we can get a really good return for a guy like Brodie right now.

I'm not sure Zucker is necessarily the guy we need either but we definitely do need to upgrade the 2nd line RW in some capacity and everything I've heard indicates we straight up traded for him at the deadline already and would already be a Flame had the paperwork gone through in time.

Deal from positions of strength to shore up other areas of your team that need it. Calgary has several young blueliners looking to take a step forward next season which makes Brodie an asset we have that can be moved to help the team elsewhere. If we truly want to make runs at a Cup over the next few years than proper asset management is critical. That's why selling on Brodie high right now makes sense, especially since he probably won't be a Flame at the start of next season anyway.

Canes announcing they'll likely not be re-signing Mrazek. I bet BT will be eager to pounce on yet another Hurricane connection

I could live with a Mrazek and Ritter duo if the former plays like he did last year!
- LittleBroDougie

They would be Czech Mates!

So we're just going to ignore everything that happened last year? You know, when the Flames scored 289 goals and had better scoring depth than both Cup finalists. Scoring depth was the Flames biggest strength last year and all of that doesn't go away because they had a bad two weeks.
- Hunkulese

No, we're going to play close attention to what happened last year - the offence disappeared for a big stretch at the beginning of March, and then again in the playoffs. Yes, they scored an overwhelming number of goals during the regular season when the top line was able to free wheel a lot more, but when play tightened up in March and April, they were decidedly less effective as a team. Look at any game vs a quality team in the last month and a half of the season and tell me they were scoring in bunches...

Can't remember who said it, but some guys get you there, other guys get you through. Flames needed some guys to help get them through, and scoring depth, size and speed were the types of players that would have helped get that done.

Gio wins the Norris!!!
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Gio wins the Norris!!!
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- Flamin_Irishmin

BOOOOOMMMMM!!! Never watch the awards show, but tuned in tonight just to see Gio take it home. 'Grats Gio!!

Gio wins the Norris!!!
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- Flamin_Irishmin

The other thing that's out there is Gio is probably going to win the Norris tonight. Is BT going to trade away his long time partner who helped him get there ? I just can't see that happening. If Gio gives a shout out to Brodie tonight, I think all talk of trading Brodie is done.
- tincup

Well I didnt hear any shout out to Brodie so let the trade rumours persist!!!!