Vladimir Sobotka is an NHL’er
- OneKaneOneCup

I hope this statement can no longer be uttered/written a year from now.

A valid point for sure, as long as the player being offered for that pick isn't worth more than the pick itself. 4 years ago, it was rushing the rebuild. Today, it's time to (frank)ing win.
- TheSabresTaco

"Our window doesn't open till 2021

It's only year 3 of JB

Can't rush the rebuild

Can't afford to trade draft picks"

All these phrases and more are subject to the stool

Do you think McCabe is good or something?

He’s an average 4-6 defender. He needs a new contract
- OneKaneOneCup

A 25 year old with 275 NHL games under his belt already that chips in 15-20 points a year? He's a big frame guy who uses his body.

He is also a dman w/ an almost identical PPG as Mr. #4 overall Puljujarvi... sooo. Your move.

I believe that he is a vital piece of the defensive puzzle. Do I think he will win a Norris... no. Do I think he will ever be questioned as a top 10 Dman in the NHL no. Do I think he is a cornerstone 2 way complete player... no.

But what I do think is that he is a vital piece of the defensive corps depth. He is paid as the 44th Dman in the NHL but his PPG is 22nd among dmen.

I honestly think that Risto can be what a Hjalmarsson was for Chicago. He can be that 2nd/3rd wheel guy who is def above average but not your cornerstone. I see every contending NHL team have 3 above average Dmen and just because we have Dahlin and Montour it does not make Risto expendable. It would set us back leaning on a Nelson/McCabe/Pilut to play those minutes.
- JVince11

Well thought out, I appreciate the response.

Here's the way I see Risto. It's clear that his best game is played in the offensive zone and the PP. He's also a very physical player and his reasonably successful against bottom 6 players. It's his transitional play that's awful.

If your PP is 4 F, 1 D, that's Dahlin's spot. No ifs ands or buts. For the 2nd pp, Risto or Montour could run it. I would say Risto is better at it. The problem lies within the 5v5 play, and Montour is much better at the transition game and comes in at a lower salary. Botts just traded for Montour, and I'd be hard pressed to believe his next contract outweighs Risto's.

Could you keep both, make Risto a PP specialist and a 3rd pairing dman? I guess. He has his uses. But he's still one of this team's best trade chips. So that's the decision the org has to make. Either "what can he get me to make this team better" or "how do we play him to maximize his abilities"

A 25 year old with 275 NHL games under his belt already that chips in 15-20 points a year? He's a big frame guy who uses his body.

He is also a dman w/ an almost identical PPG as Mr. #4 overall Puljujarvi... sooo. Your move.
- JVince11

He also can’t stay healthy and is probably going to want 2-5-3 mil to play 50 underwhelming games a year on the third pair.

So yeah if it came down to it I’d rather take a shot on JP

Vladimir Sobotka is an NHL’er
- OneKaneOneCup

this is comment is the same as girgensons is an NHL All Star

I feel like everyone nhl player at some point so far this summer has been linked to buffalo lol

His usage has been terrible

At one point he had a higher g/60 and s/60 than McDavid

I don't think Nylander is the higher skilled of the two, if he was he would have been drafted higher
- Stripes77

The year was 2009, and the Sabres drafted Zach Kassian instead of Chris Kreider.

Vladimir Sobotka is an NHL’er
- OneKaneOneCup

He also can’t stay healthy and is probably going to want 2-5-3 mil to play 50 underwhelming games a year on the third pair.

So yeah if it came down to it I’d rather take a shot on JP
- OneKaneOneCup

I'll open this....


Would any one here give up McCabe straight up Puljujarvi?

this is comment is the same as girgensons is an NHL All Star
- SabresFaninIndiana

- Der Kaiser

Tage is gonna be good. Just like the Sabres.

Well thought out, I appreciate the response.

Here's the way I see Risto. It's clear that his best game is played in the offensive zone and the PP. He's also a very physical player and his reasonably successful against bottom 6 players. It's his transitional play that's awful.

If your PP is 4 F, 1 D, that's Dahlin's spot. No ifs ands or buts. For the 2nd pp, Risto or Montour could run it. I would say Risto is better at it. The problem lies within the 5v5 play, and Montour is much better at the transition game and comes in at a lower salary. Botts just traded for Montour, and I'd be hard pressed to believe his next contract outweighs Risto's.

Could you keep both, make Risto a PP specialist and a 3rd pairing dman? I guess. He has his uses. But he's still one of this team's best trade chips. So that's the decision the org has to make. Either "what can he get me to make this team better" or "how do we play him to maximize his abilities"
- TheSabresTaco

Makes sense to me your output. I am however not sure why keeping Risto puts him on the 3rd pair? IF the right trade comes along then I am fine to throw Risto into that trade... I am just saying that he doesn't HAVE to be traded or NEED to be traded... but if the right scenario plays out.. then sure.. I get it.

Risto for Horvat... maybe
Risto for Ehlers... maybe.
Risto for Kreider... maybe.

But Risto just to toss him for a prospect and some 2nd rounder.. GTFO. haha.

Tage is gonna be good. Just like the Sabres.
- TheSabresTaco

That's an elegant counterattack.

Lockport and Locomotive both have QOs.

Lockport and Locomotive both have QOs.
- TheSabresTaco

can we send vlad packing.. we don't need all three

The year was 2009, and the Sabres drafted Zach Kassian instead of Chris Kreider.
- TheSabresTaco

Try something from this decade maybe

Look at this draft

https://www.hockey-refere...draft/NHL_2016_entry.html

Those two are the most disappointing besides Juolevi who has been oft injured

Makes sense to me your output. I am however not sure why keeping Risto puts him on the 3rd pair? IF the right trade comes along then I am fine to throw Risto into that trade... I am just saying that he doesn't HAVE to be traded or NEED to be traded... but if the right scenario plays out.. then sure.. I get it.

Risto for Horvat... maybe
Risto for Ehlers... maybe.
Risto for Kreider... maybe.

But Risto just to toss him for a prospect and some 2nd rounder.. GTFO. haha.
- JVince11

Not necessarily "3rd pair" as much as limiting his minutes to around 18 and keeping his competition against at most the 2nd line.

But I definitely agree, unless the pick is top 10, do not trade him for pix and prospex

Makes sense to me your output. I am however not sure why keeping Risto puts him on the 3rd pair? IF the right trade comes along then I am fine to throw Risto into that trade... I am just saying that he doesn't HAVE to be traded or NEED to be traded... but if the right scenario plays out.. then sure.. I get it.

Risto for Horvat... maybe
Risto for Ehlers... maybe.
Risto for Kreider... maybe.

But Risto just to toss him for a prospect and some 2nd rounder.. GTFO. haha.
- JVince11

Nobody wants to move Risto for a 2nd and a prospect

However you're not getting Horvat for Risto without adding

The year was 2009, and the Sabres drafted Zach Kassian instead of Chris Kreider.
- TheSabresTaco

kassian was a knee jerk reaction pick.. he was supposed to be a tough guy and at the time we just went through the miller getting run softie campaign

Try something from this decade maybe

Look at this draft

Those two are the most disappointing besides Juolevi who has been oft injured
- Stripes77

ok...

The year was 2012, and the Sabres drafted Girgensons instead of Teravainen

kassian was a knee jerk reaction pick.. he was supposed to be a tough guy and at the time we just went through the miller getting run softie campaign
- SabresFaninIndiana

Oh I totally understood/and the pick. But ffs.

Going back to Garth's archives, the guy had a multiple (frank)ing orgasm after we drafted kickassian.

ok...

The year was 2012, and the Sabres drafted Girgensons instead of Teravainen
- TheSabresTaco

Also Grigorenko.

ok...

The year was 2012, and the Sabres drafted Girgensons instead of Teravainen
- TheSabresTaco

they drafted girgs and the gingo.. just think hertl and tuevo

Oh I totally understood/and the pick. But ffs.

Going back to Garth's archives, the guy had a multiple (frank)ing orgasm after we drafted kickassian.
- TheSabresTaco

Do we really need to say more?

Kassian was supposed to be our answer to Lucic remember?