What are your reasons for preferring Copp over Roslovic? Not condemning mind you, just curious.
- Wildschwein

Don't know that it's a preference. First off, I don't think Roslovic would be made available for him.

Second, Copp brings a more clearly defined role and skillset that we have a record of and can be confident in who what we're going to get out of him.

Third, the role he'd fill is an existing and significant hole in our roster (3C).

Fourth, he wouldn't cost all that much and can thus be a part of the solution long term.

Fifth, the rate at which he and his line outscored opposition last year probably would've been the difference between playoffs or not when compared to our 3rd line. Obviously two different situations with different quality of linemates, but if we could replicate even half of the positive impact that Copp's line had in Winnipeg (one of his linemates is a pending UFA) and replaced our 3rd line with them, we'd be looking at a positive goal share swing of 23.

We have all the tools to replicate the deployment structure the Jets used among their forwards: a stacked an elite top line, a defensively responsible 2C and a meh 4th line. What it would take is acquiring Copp, signing Tanev, asking them "how can we best replicate what you guys have done for the past 3 years?" (Khaira models Lowry in this case?) and then acting on it.

Yeah and how has that worked out for them ?
- Reveen.

It hasn't, but doesn't mean they're gonna settle on a cap dump, a struggling #4 pick and a "small sweetener". Even the worst packages I've seen rumored were better than that.

We wouldn’t even be talking about it right now if certain teams would have gotten their paperwork in on time tho I’m glad he didn’t end up a Flame
- RatedR80

Weren't the Flames dumping dead cap in that deal

I think Nurse does better in this scenario and it gets him away from the black hole known as Russell....I think it was yesterday I made a comment about Klefbom being moved....for some reason I just believe there is a solid chance he won’t be on the team come the new season....go all in with Nurse and if he produces then sign him long term
- RatedR80

Klefbom's value is hurt by his injury history but helped by his contract, so the result is pretty much a 26yr old Edler. What kind of value would that have to a team like Winnipeg given their situation? We can only theorize.

It hasn't, but doesn't mean they're gonna settle on a cap dump, a struggling #4 pick and a "small sweetener". Even the worst packages I've seen rumored were better than that.
- MaximumBone

Zucker is a toxic contract not many teams are going to line up for that without sending one back... they were going to eat Johnson's contract in order to get Kessel.

Weren't the Flames dumping dead cap in that deal
- Reveen.

One year of Frolik's contract. Much better than 2 years of Russell's contract.

It hasn't, but doesn't mean they're gonna settle on a cap dump, a struggling #4 pick and a "small sweetener". Even the worst packages I've seen rumored were better than that.
- MaximumBone

Fenton is the next Chiarelli

Don't know that it's a preference. First off, I don't think Roslovic would be made available for him.

Second, Copp brings a more clearly defined role and skillset that we have a record of and can be confident in who what we're going to get out of him.

Third, the role he'd fill is an existing and significant hole in our roster (3C).

Fourth, he wouldn't cost all that much and can thus be a part of the solution long term.

Fifth, the rate at which he and his line outscored opposition last year probably would've been the difference between playoffs or not when compared to our 3rd line. Obviously two different situations with different quality of linemates, but if we could replicate even half of the positive impact that Copp's line had in Winnipeg (one of his linemates is a pending UFA) and replaced our 3rd line with them, we'd be looking at a positive goal share swing of 23.

We have all the tools to replicate the deployment structure the Jets used among their forwards: a stacked an elite top line, a defensively responsible 2C and a meh 4th line. What it would take is acquiring Copp, signing Tanev, asking them "how can we best replicate what you guys have done for the past 3 years?" (Khaira models Lowry in this case?) and then acting on it.
- MaximumBone

Now this I like. Very much so.

One year of Frolik's contract. Much better than 2 years of Russell's contract.
- MaximumBone

what premium asset were they getting ?

Weren't the Flames dumping dead cap in that deal
- Reveen.

I honestly forget what the proposed deal was I would have to google it to refresh my memory

Fenton is the next Chiarelli
- Reveen.

This is what I would be banking on foolish or not

I honestly forget what the proposed deal was I would have to google it to refresh my memory
- RatedR80

Frolik and Bennett.

I honestly forget what the proposed deal was I would have to google it to refresh my memory
- RatedR80

Frolik and Bennett for Zucker.... so my offer of Russell (cap dump), Pulju and a sweetner was far off the mark.

Zucker is a toxic contract not many teams are going to line up for that without sending one back... they were going to eat Johnson's contract in order to get Kessel.
- Reveen.

The deal was Zucker and Rask for Kessel and Johnson so let's not go confusing which side was eating cap. Both were. And no, it's not toxic- especially not with what contracts are being signed now. It's a tad overpaid for a guy that dominantly outproduces his opposition despite not playing sheltered minutes.

I view this as follows: the hill stuck between us is you see his contract and his raw production and say "that's overpayment" and I see his consistent out-production of his opposition in conjunction with his goal production and say "that's value".

Is that a fair assessment to you?

Klefbom's value is hurt by his injury history but helped by his contract, so the result is pretty much a 26yr old Edler. What kind of value would that have to a team like Winnipeg given their situation? We can only theorize.
- MaximumBone

Klefbom isn’t an expensive player so he could be attractive to the Jets but I think they would be wise and utilize him in a second pairing role....as much as I don’t want to say it you can’t rely on him as a #1 and it really bit us in the ass when he got injured....maybe Holland sees this as well and trades him and gets better depth along the way

Frolik and Bennett.
- Wildschwein

Wow....that’s pretty good for Calgary

The deal was Zucker and Rask for Kessel and Johnson so let's not go confusing which side was eating cap. Both were. And no, it's not toxic- especially not with what contracts are being signed now. It's a tad overpaid for a guy that dominantly outproduces his opposition despite not playing sheltered minutes.

I view this as follows: the hill stuck between us is you see his contract and his raw production and say "that's overpayment" and I see his consistent out-production of his opposition in conjunction with his goal production and say "that's value".

Is that a fair assessment to you?
- MaximumBone

There must be a reason Minnesota is trying desperately to rid themselves of him

Wow....that’s pretty good for Calgary
- RatedR80

yup

There must be a reason Minnesota is trying desperately to rid themselves of him
- Reveen.

What are they trying to do? I hear rebuild but if that’s the case why are you trying to trade for Phil? Retool? I don’t know

There must be a reason Minnesota is trying desperately to rid themselves of him
- Reveen.

Yes. The same kind of reason why Eberle was traded for Strome: because it's a bad GM. However, as with our time under Chiarelli, I don't approve of the logic of "well, your GM is bad therefore you should just accept these trash deals we send your way because your GM would do it". That's annoying and unproductive.

Our deal should be able to pass the smell test for a Wild fan and then- if it proves to have costed less because their GM is bad- we can be pleasantly surprised or disappointed that our GM couldn't have bested the accepted offer. It's like steel-manning Vs straw-manning.

PULJUJARVI TO ATL FOR THE RIGHTS TO ANGELO ESPOSITO

MAKE IT HAPPEN, KENNETH

Yes. The same kind of reason why Eberle was traded for Strome: because it's a bad GM. However, as with our time under Chiarelli, I don't approve of the logic of "well, your GM is bad therefore you should just accept these trash deals we send your way because your GM would do it". That's annoying and unproductive.

Our deal should be able to pass the smell test for a Wild fan and then- if it proves to have costed less because their GM is bad- we can be pleasantly surprised or disappointed that our GM couldn't have bested the accepted offer. It's like steel-manning Vs straw-manning.
- MaximumBone

At least our dumb GM pulled the trigger on bad deals before any other team could attempt to start a bidding war.

PULJUJARVI TO ATL FOR THE RIGHTS TO ANGELO ESPOSITO

MAKE IT HAPPEN, KENNETH
- ChonDerry

I bet you would trade your left nut for a solid bowel movement.

Disregard, he was also traded to Dallas at one point. (AE I mean)

Welcome to the lone star state, Jesse