LA Kings said they have no interest in signing him, but they do retain his rights... So what about a trade for his rights? His suspension is for 41 games this season but he is at the age of 29 (Turned 29 this January) so he still has a good amount gas in the tank (also noted from his performance in the KHL). He has already been successful at the NHL level and is a proven commodity.
The guy has done his time (including 2 months in Jail) and IMO, should get a second chance.
We took a flyer on Kassian and it worked out. Perhaps the same can be said for Voynov?
What I propose is JP's rights and Russell for Voynov's rights.
Thoughts? - EdmHockeyMan
Talk about a PR disaster in the making....no way this goes over well with an already cranky fanbase
LA Kings said they have no interest in signing him, but they do retain his rights... So what about a trade for his rights? His suspension is for 41 games this season but he is at the age of 29 (Turned 29 this January) so he still has a good amount gas in the tank (also noted from his performance in the KHL). He has already been successful at the NHL level and is a proven commodity.
The guy has done his time (including 2 months in Jail) and IMO, should get a second chance.
We took a flyer on Kassian and it worked out. Perhaps the same can be said for Voynov?
What I propose is JP's rights and Russell for Voynov's rights.
Thoughts? - EdmHockeyMan
Nope... Kassian was drug related and Voynov is for beating his chick... feminists would flock to Rogers Place to protest and god knows Edmonton is full of feminists.
Nope... Kassian was drug related and Voynov is for beating his chick... feminists would flock to Rogers Place to protest and god knows Edmonton is full of feminists.
- Reveen.
True.
But screw the feminists in this case.
Slava is still married to his wife even after the incident, so I assume that the issue has been overcome by them or a thing in the past. Why else would they still be married?
But would it be a good hockey trade considering our situation? - EdmHockeyMan
If you were to ignore everything else then it could be worth it but with that being said it’s impossible to ignore everything else given the circumstances
Slava is still married to his wife even after the incident, so I assume that the issue has been overcome by them or a thing in the past. Why else would they still be married? - EdmHockeyMan
Teams have taken risks on athletes in the past (like Mike Vick after the dog fighting or the Ravens on Ray Rice after being seen punching his gf) but with how the Oilers are already viewed there is no way they take that chance....they don’t need the bad press at this point
If you were to ignore everything else then it could be worth it but with that being said it’s impossible to ignore everything else given the circumstances - RatedR80
The guy is STILL married to his wife even after the incident. There are reports from her attorney during her testimony that state that she didn't want him to be charged.
Domestic abuse is bad and should not be taken lightly, but this seems to be a case where everything was blown out of proportions. The guy has served his time and has been suspended. He could donate a portion of his contract earnings to a charity that helps out victims of domestic abuse or do something along those lines that should good intent.
Slava is still married to his wife even after the incident, so I assume that the issue has been overcome by them or a thing in the past. Why else would they still be married? - EdmHockeyMan
In general, there seems to be evidence that shows that the abused are known to cling to their abusers for a variety of reasons and that- just because they're still together- doesn't mean that the relationship isn't still abusive. Further, tough to say if he's a strictly physical abuser.
I have no grounds to stand on in concluding what type of abusive relationship they are/were party to. It's entirely possible that both parties are/were physically abusive toward one another and that this particular event was just the only time that it got documented or was serious enough to get the attention it needed to get. I wasn't involved in the investigation so any conclusions I could draw on principle would have to be book-ended by a disclaimer of ignorance to the circumstances.
That being said, I think perception is enough to make the thought of bringing him in worth questioning. If the captain or his teammates wouldn't be comfortable accepting him as a member of the team, then I see no reason to pursue him.
I guess on Vancouver radio they were discussing them trying to leap over Edmonton in the draft to take Broberg....I hope it works out for them - RatedR80
It would be magical if the leaking of the information surrounding Broberg to Bob Stauffer was actually a ploy to convince someone who wanted him to jump ahead and thus guarantee one of the Cozens, Dach, Zegras or Boldy would be available at #8. I'm not convinced that's the case, but it would be great and would make sense!
In general, there seems to be evidence that shows that the abused are known to cling to their abusers for a variety of reasons and that- just because they're still together- doesn't mean that the relationship isn't still abusive. Further, tough to say if he's a strictly physical abuser.
I have no grounds to stand on in concluding what type of abusive relationship they are/were party to. It's entirely possible that both parties are/were physically abusive toward one another and that this particular event was just the only time that it got documented or was serious enough to get the attention it needed to get. I wasn't involved in the investigation so any conclusions I could draw on principle would have to be book-ended by a disclaimer of ignorance to the circumstances.
That being said, I think perception is enough to make the thought of bringing him in worth questioning. If the captain or his teammates wouldn't be comfortable accepting him as a member of the team, then I see no reason to pursue him. - MaximumBone
The guy is STILL married to his wife even after the incident. There are reports from her attorney during her testimony that state that she didn't want him to be charged.
Domestic abuse is bad and should not be taken lightly, but this seems to be a case where everything was blown out of proportions. The guy has served his time and has been suspended. He could donate a portion of his contract earnings to a charity that helps out victims of domestic abuse or do something along those lines that should good intent.
I say give him a second chance and (frank) the press and PR. - EdmHockeyMan
I get what you are saying and there are teams that can afford the bad PR but the Oilers aren’t one....we have enough distractions and this would just make it worse....this team doesn’t need to deal with the distractions come the new season because there will be enough pressure without being asked about that player every single day
It would be magical if the leaking of the information surrounding Broberg to Bob Stauffer was actually a ploy to convince someone who wanted him to jump ahead and thus guarantee one of the Cozens, Dach, Zegras or Boldy would be available at #8. I'm not convinced that's the case, but it would be great and would make sense! - MaximumBone
Stauffer has back peddled a bit on Broberg but yes it would be a genius move if that was the case
In general, there seems to be evidence that shows that the abused are known to cling to their abusers for a variety of reasons and that- just because they're still together- doesn't mean that the relationship isn't still abusive. Further, tough to say if he's a strictly physical abuser.
I have no grounds to stand on in concluding what type of abusive relationship they are/were party to. It's entirely possible that both parties are/were physically abusive toward one another and that this particular event was just the only time that it got documented or was serious enough to get the attention it needed to get. I wasn't involved in the investigation so any conclusions I could draw on principle would have to be book-ended by a disclaimer of ignorance to the circumstances.
That being said, I think perception is enough to make the thought of bringing him in worth questioning. If the captain or his teammates wouldn't be comfortable accepting him as a member of the team, then I see no reason to pursue him. - MaximumBone
McDavid was comfortable with the Mannings deal. Kassian, while his case wasn't as notable as Voynov's, has seen success as an Oiler and has become a fan favorite. Gagner, who was literally destroyed by Kassian, was traded to Edmonton and it seems that there was not enough or no tension between them that affected their on-ice performance. What's to suggest that Edmonton would say no or not look into such a deal?
I also mentioned earlier how the case could have been blown out of proportions due to jumping to conclusions.
Even if we go back historically, MacT, who killed a person, was still brought back into the Oiler's lineup and had a successful career. Same case with Grant Fuhr and Klima and their cocaine addictions. How about the fact that we signed Nikolai Khabibulin and STILL kept him for 3 more years after he served 30 days in jail for substance abuse and drug driving...
You could literally make a lineup from all of the Oilers who have either been in Jail or were involved in a crime.
McDavid was comfortable with the Mannings deal. Kassian, while his case wasn't as notable as Voynov's, has seen success as an Oiler and has become a fan favorite. Gagner, who was literally destroyed by Kassian, was traded to Edmonton and it seems that there was not enough or no tension between them that affected their on-ice performance. What's to suggest that Edmonton would say no or not look into such a deal?
I also mentioned earlier how the case could have been blown out of proportions due to jumping to conclusions.
Even if we go back historically, MacT, who killed a person was still brought back into the Oiler's lineup and had a successful career. Same case with Grant Fuhr and Klima and their cocaine addictions. How about the fact that we signed Nikolai Khabibulin and STILL kept him for 3 more years after he served 30 days in jail for substance abuse and drug driving...
You could literally make a lineup from all of the Oilers who have either been in Jail or were involved in a crime. - EdmHockeyMan
Okay, but the acts of those aren't remotely the same as Voynov's actions. Most of those are substance abuse issues which, whether rightly or wrongly, aren't viewed as glaring character deficiencies. I never looked into the MacT situation, but it's fair to say it was manslaughter and not murder, right? Manning just played hockey and was a bit of a Richard (allegedly); that's not even in the same stratosphere.
There are clear distinctions between all those and someone who actively made the choice to physically assault someone he insists he loves. Again, there is likely nuance within that that I'm not privy to so I won't make a definitive or absolute condemnation of him, but I would suggest that forcing that onto a locker room that already seems to have some cracks isn't a wise course of action.
You can fairly ask the question: if that's how he treats those he loves, is his sense of in-group cohesion in the context of a team much better?
Okay, but the acts of those aren't remotely the same as Voynov's actions. Most of those are substance abuse issues which, whether rightly or wrongly, aren't viewed as glaring character deficiencies. I never looked into the MacT situation, but it's fair to say it was manslaughter and not murder, right? Manning just played hockey and was a bit of a Richard (allegedly); that's not even in the same stratosphere.
There are clear distinctions between all those and someone who actively made the choice to physically assault someone he insists he loves. Again, there is likely nuance within that that I'm not privy to so I won't make a definitive or absolute condemnation of him, but I would suggest that forcing that onto a locker room that already seems to have some cracks isn't a wise course of action.
You can fairly ask the question: if that's how he treats those he loves, is his sense of in-group cohesion in the context of a team much better? - MaximumBone
In this day in age with the whole #MeToo movement bringing Voynov in would be like saying you're anti women's rights.
I get what you are saying and there are teams that can afford the bad PR but the Oilers aren’t one....we have enough distractions and this would just make it worse....this team doesn’t need to deal with the distractions come the new season because there will be enough pressure without being asked about that player every single day - RatedR80
The thing with PR is that the opinion of the masses is so subject to fluctuation by anything. It's so arbitrary and unpredictable. Anything will set them off. It's up to the player then to just block that poop out.
Kassian came in with a good amount of controversy from PR and a reasonable amount of doubt about his game. Look where he is now. A fan favorite and a decent middle 6 player that on his best nights can make a big impact in terms of momentum.
Once again, obviously domestic abuse is worse than substance abuse, but what's to say that the same won't happen in the case of Voynov? Voynov could come in with a poop of hate, but be a fan favorite 3 months later due to his performance and perhaps other factors such as donating a part of his earnings to a charity for victims of domestic abuse? In other words, PR, IMO, is quite spontaneous and should NOT be a major factor when it comes to making a trade or not.
Also, go scroll through the comments made about the trade at the time if you'd like.
The thing with PR is that the opinion of the masses is so subject to fluctuation by anything. It's so arbitrary and unpredictable. Anything will set them off. It's up to the player then to just block that poop out.
Kassian came in with a good amount of controversy from PR and a reasonable amount of doubt about his game. Look where he is now. A fan favorite and a decent middle 6 player that on his best nights can make a big impact in terms of momentum.
Once again, obviously domestic abuse is worse than substance abuse, but what's to say that the same won't happen in the case of Voynov? Voynov could come in with a poop of hate, but be a fan favorite 3 months later due to his performance and perhaps other factors such as donating a part of his earnings to a charity for victims of domestic abuse? In other words, PR, IMO, is quite spontaneous and should NOT be a major factor when it comes to making a trade or not.
Also, go scroll through the comments made about the trade at the time if you'd like.
We will just have to agree to disagree on this one....this is not a distraction the team needs right now because there is lots going on already....if this team wasn’t such a poop show then sure maybe you go for it
Okay, but the acts of those aren't remotely the same as Voynov's actions. Most of those are substance abuse issues which, whether rightly or wrongly, aren't viewed as glaring character deficiencies. I never looked into the MacT situation, but it's fair to say it was manslaughter and not murder, right? Manning just played hockey and was a bit of a Richard (allegedly); that's not even in the same stratosphere.
There are clear distinctions between all those and someone who actively made the choice to physically assault someone he insists he loves. Again, there is likely nuance within that that I'm not privy to so I won't make a definitive or absolute condemnation of him, but I would suggest that forcing that onto a locker room that already seems to have some cracks isn't a wise course of action.
You can fairly ask the question: if that's how he treats those he loves, is his sense of in-group cohesion in the context of a team much better? - MaximumBone
I've noted that Voynov's case is definitely worse than all of the other ones I've mentioned in other posts. My point is that Edmonton has taken chances on those with issues (legal or not) in the past and has had a good amount of success in doing so.
As for your question, well, his wife is still married to him, so I guess that he'll still stick around too, but we won't know whether it'll be abusive or non-abusive cohesion.
I almost forgot to mention the Nurse-Draisatl incident too! That rift happened, but it doesn't appear to affect their in-game performance. So when it comes to in-group cohesion... I don't even know how the (frank) McDavid hasn't killed Mannings yet, nor Gagner giving an uppercut to Kassian, and Nurse hasn't beaten the poop out of LD for (frank)ing his sister (oh wait...)
We will just have to agree to disagree on this one....this is not a distraction the team needs right now because there is lots going on already....if this team wasn’t such a poop show then sure maybe you go for it - RatedR80
I've noted that Voynov's case is definitely worse than all of the other ones I've mentioned in other posts. My point is that Edmonton has taken chances on those with issues (legal or not) in the past and has had a good amount of success in doing so.
As for your question, well, his wife is still married to him, so I guess that he'll still stick around too, but we won't know whether it'll be abusive or non-abusive cohesion.
I almost forgot to mention the Nurse-Draisatl incident too! That rift happened, but it doesn't appear to affect their in-game performance. So when it comes to in-group cohesion... I don't even know how the (frank) McDavid hasn't killed Mannings yet, nor Gagner giving an uppercut to Kassian, and Nurse hasn't beaten the poop out of LD for (frank)ing his sister (oh wait...) - EdmHockeyMan
Well in Manning’s case you can’t kill what isn’t there he will rot in Bakersfield and won’t be seeing anytime with the Oilers but what a stupid trade that was.....so stupid in fact that I think I’m going to give it this.....
Well in Manning’s case you can’t kill what isn’t there he will rot in Bakersfield and won’t be seeing anytime with the Oilers but what a stupid trade that was.....so stupid in fact that I think I’m going to give it this.....
True.
