I guess I don't understand why all of a sudden its impatience. Flyers make the playoffs 2 years ago and get bounced in the first round. In the off-season Hextall goes out and signs a top level FA in JVR and attempts to sign Tavares based on reports. But he goes into the season with a bad plan in goal and the season falls apart. Hart comes up out of necessity at the time and stays up because he's that good. They barely miss the playoffs but Hextall and Hakstol are gone.

Fletcher comes in, dumps off some old player salary, signs another top level FA in Hayes and adds a couple of Dmen on very short contracts. Doesn't give up prospects or top tier draft picks and is currently still sitting a position to re-sign who is needed and go into next year with a better team than last year's.

Why is Hextall signing JVR and taking a shot at Tavares different that what Fletcher has done so far and how is the team suddenly less ready for those moves than they were when Hextall went into last off-season?

*edit, I meant Hart came up out of necessity.
- shekkie

all good points but I’m going guess the answer is
1: Tavares is much better then Hayes and justifies going for him, he is the oft quoted this week “needle mover”

2: people would have complained about Tavares contract messing up the cap also

I don't think it was a patience issue. Hextall wouldn't commit either direction. If we're a good team, then why do we have 2 injury prone goalies and then Calvin Pickard? Why were Lehtera and Weise not replaced with average players on one year deals like a lot of teams do with their cap space. If we're a bad team waiting for the prospects to be good, then why are they not playing in the NHL getting experience, and why are they being scratched for guys MacDonald and Lehtera? Hextall needed to pick which team we were and commit instead of this purgatory we were in.
- narfmoo12

Good point, but I don't think Hexy had the mandate to completely tear everything down and tank aggressively.

He tried to still remain competitive while doing his business, which in the end irritated people even more that straight losing. Scott/Homer seemed to expect even more winning during the rebuild, which was a bit unreasonable, too.

Yeah, it was a power struggle w/ Scott that Hexy was never gonna win. I have a feeling that even if they had played better than they did, Hexy would have lost his job anyway. Patience had already left the station.

Scott said the Flyers' DNA was "going for it every year" when he took the job.
- Tomahawk

If Hextall would've cowtowed to their wishes, he probably would've stayed. Hextall wasn't going to do that and I support him 100% on that. He stated exactly what he was going to do when he got the job.

First of all, removing Schlemko from the picture does not remove 2.1 off of the Flyers Cap. You also failed to factor in the 1.9 for the buyout of MacDonald. So you're off by 3M.

Do you think the Flyers are all of a sudden not going to go out and make the same kind of moves they've made this off season?

This team was headed towards the top of the league under Hextall. That is in doubt now.
- MJL

Now you are adding irrelevant things to push your false narrative. None of the tied up cap needs mentioned because it was already included. We are looking at the current numbers and subtracting. Cap that is taken up is already is till there. Try doing some research. CapFriendly has the Flyers with 10 mill of extra space next season.

capable yes, should they? NO. It is best for them and the team if they are the 4th line.

there is no debate on Lethera and Weise, just horrible and Gordon did fine without them.

I say that for last year, prior to that Hextall was still flushing the toilet from the prior era
- wcorvette

Lehtera played 27 games for the Flyers last year and he was taken on to make the Schenn deal. Weise played 42. That was a signing that didn't work out.

I hope it’s Seider, but I can also see them going a little off the board with someone like Harley.

But I agree, anyone but Broberg haha
- fecondo

Seider kinda scares me. He could turn out to be the best dman taken in the draft, or could end up being a third-pair dman taken with a lottery pick.

Broberg is very Jonas Brodin. I'm sure Fletcher is intrigued.

If Hextall would've cowtowed to their wishes, he probably would've stayed. Hextall wasn't going to do that and I support him 100% on that. He stated exactly what he was going to do when he got the job.
- MJL

There were several other factors why Ronald lost his job. Not just because he didn’t cowtow to Scott

all good points but I’m going guess the answer is
1: Tavares is much better then Hayes and justifies going for him, he is the oft quoted this week “needle mover”

2: people would have complained about Tavares contract messing up the cap also
- Marc D

If you're going to mess up your cap, that's the kind of player you do it with. A real difference maker. A player that moves the bar significantly.

First of all, removing Schlemko from the picture does not remove 2.1 off of the Flyers Cap. You also failed to factor in the 1.9 for the buyout of MacDonald. So you're off by 3M.

Do you think the Flyers are all of a sudden not going to go out and make the same kind of moves they've made this off season? I DONT THINK THEY WILL BUT I DO THINK THEY WILL SWING FOR THE FENCES ON THE RIGHT PLAYER

This team was headed towards the top of the league under Hextall. That is in doubt now.
- MJL

I THINK THEY WERE BUT THERE WAS NO PROOF OF IT. THEY HAVE GOOD PROSPECTS, A GOOD BUT AGING SUPERSTAR PLUS OTHER GOOD PARTS... BUT OTHER TEAMS ARE TAKING STEPS FORWARD RAPIDLY. THAT IS NOT THE FLYERS FAULT, I THINK THESE KIDS CONTINUE TO GET BETTER AT A YOUNGER AGE, THAT IS MORE TRUE EACH YEAR, MORE TRUE THAN 5 YEARS AGO WHEN HEX TOOK OVER.

There were several other factors why Ronald lost his job. Not just because he didn’t cowtow to Scott
- daryl stanley

Absolutely. Trading Schenn and expecting a 19 year old with no NHL experience coming off of major core surgery to pick up slack. Not replacing a clearly unreliable Neuvirth. Those stand out as two big blunders to me.

Now you are adding irrelevant things to push your false narrative. None of the tied up cap needs mentioned because it was already included. We are looking at the current numbers and subtracting. Cap that is taken up is already is till there. Try doing some research. CapFriendly has the Flyers with 10 mill of extra space next season.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Just because of your ignorance on what the real cap situation is, doesn't make what I said irrelevant. Your figures were wrong on what players you mentioned. You keep ignoring the cost of buyout of MacDonald in looking at the Braun deal.
If you'd like, I'd be happy to educate you on the cap and how sites like capfriendly use off season cap accounting rules, which are different than what will actually happen during the season, to make an educated guess on a teams future cap situation. We can start with the Schlemko situation and why him moving on, really only saves around 1M off of the cap next season.

Now you are adding irrelevant things to push your false narrative. None of the tied up cap needs mentioned because it was already included. We are looking at the current numbers and subtracting. Cap that is taken up is already is till there. Try doing some research. CapFriendly has the Flyers with 10 mill of extra space next season.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

That comes from losing

Braun $3.8m
Schlemko $2.1m
Gudas Retention $1.005m
Lyon$750K

And these RFAs who will need pay increases if they are still here

Hagg
Patrick
Lindblom

Plus MacDonald's cap penalty goes up $750K in 20-21.

Lehtera played 27 games for the Flyers last year and he was taken on to make the Schenn deal. Weise played 42. That was a signing that didn't work out.
- MJL

Last year: Weise, Lehtera, Knight, Vorobyev, Bailey, Varone, Weal, and NAK combined for 206 out of 246 possible 4th line games.

This year we'll have Raffl, Laughton and Hartman playing that 4th line consistently. That's a huge upgrade. And that only includes having one of Frost/Farabee/Ratcliffe in the lineup at 3RW, plus Patrick on the 3rd line against weaker competition.

On defense, Folin and MacDonald played 73 games. Gudas and Hagg played all but 5. This year we'll have Niskanen, Braun and Myers playing those games, with Hagg/Morin as the extra defenseman instead of Folin/MacDonald. That's a big upgrade, too.

Just because of your ignorance on what the real cap situation is, doesn't make what I said irrelevant. Your figures were wrong on what players you mentioned. You keep ignoring the cost of buyout of MacDonald in looking at the Braun deal.
If you'd like, I'd be happy tol educate you on the cap and how sites like capfriendly use off season cap accounting rules, which are different than what will actually happen during the season, to make an educated guess on a teams future cap situation. We can start with the Schlemko situation and why him moving on, really only saves around 1M off of the cap next season.
- MJL

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/flyers

Flyers 2019 projected Cap Space - $21,896,310
Flyers 2020 projected Cap Space - $31,801,310

10 mill difference - Buyout is included in calculations

DERPdy DERP Math is hard

That comes from losing

Braun $3.8m
Schlemko $2.1m
Gudas Retention $1.005m
Lyon$750K

And these RFAs who will need pay increases if they are still here

Hagg
Patrick
Lindblom

Plus MacDonald's cap penalty goes up $750K in 20-21.
- Feanor

That literally repeats everything I put in the post before........

Future cap-space, expansion considerations, wasting picks, bringing in vets to take minutes from kids, buying out AMac instead of burying him, etc... all the stuff 'Team Negative' has been complaining about.

It's not just about signing 1 guy to a stupid contract. The JVR contract was pretty stupid too, IMO.
- Tomahawk

Probably. However, it was 5 years and didn't include a NMC.

That comes from losing

Braun $3.8m
Schlemko $2.1m
Gudas Retention $1.005m
Lyon$750K

And these RFAs who will need pay increases if they are still here

Hagg
Patrick
Lindblom

Plus MacDonald's cap penalty goes up $750K in 20-21.
- Feanor

didnt look at cap friendly but if we assume the Flyers fit all into the cap this season. What is above is what they have to do, 7.6 from what comes off the cap add 925 x2 for what patrick and Lindblom get now and the 1.2 for Hagg you get about 10.6 for Hagg, Patrick and Lindblom? more to it I am sure, I didnt look deeper than the post.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/flyers

Flyers 2019 projected Cap Space - $21,896,310
Flyers 2020 projected Cap Space - $31,801,310

10 mill difference - Buyout is included in calculations

DERPdy DERP Math is hard
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

It's a projection, based on off season cap accounting rules. It is not accurate to the Flyers complete cap picture. For example, do you actually know why Schlemko is listed on the Flyers cap right now, when everyone knows he will not make the opening night roster barring multiple injuries or trades?

Math must be hard because your numbers were wrong. You omitted the 1.9M for the MacDonald buyout. Unless Schlemko spends the entire season on the Flyers roster, his contract expiring essentially only saves the Flyers about 1M and not 2.1M.

First of all, removing Schlemko from the picture does not remove 2.1 off of the Flyers Cap. You also failed to factor in the 1.9 for the buyout of MacDonald. So you're off by 3M.

Do you think the Flyers are all of a sudden not going to go out and make the same kind of moves they've made this off season?

This team was headed towards the top of the league under Hextall. That is in doubt now.
- MJL

no it isnt in doubt we improved without giving up any youth or studs. stop being brain damaged thanks

what do you guys think is the percentage chance that MoFro makes the team?
- Crimsoninja

Are you still here??

It's a projection, based on off season cap accounting rules. It is not accurate to the Flyers complete cap picture. For example, do you actually know why Schlemko is listed on the Flyers cap right now, when everyone knows he will not make the opening night roster barring multiple injuries or trades?

Math must be hard because your numbers were wrong. You omitted the 1.9M for the MacDonald buyout. Unless Schlemko spends the entire season on the Flyers roster, his contract expiring essentially only saves the Flyers about 1M and not 2.1M.
- MJL

I didnt omit it, it is there. IT IS LISTED RIGHT THERE ON CAP FRIENDLY AND INCLUDED IN THE CALCULATIONS

Forget it. I will just act smug next season when Hell doesnt freeze over. Where's a damn paper cutter when you need it!

If you're going to mess up your cap, that's the kind of player you do it with. A real difference maker. A player that moves the bar significantly.
- MJL

IIRC, a few seasons ago, there was a poster who consistently repeated the mantra of there are no cap problems, just cap management (or something to that effect). I just can't quite remember who that was. Maybe a couple of the long-time members can help out.

I can't even remember the last time a GM landed in such a ridiculously good situation as Fletcher did.

- Franchise player... check,
- Young franchise goalie... check,
- Young #1 dman... check,
- PP QB... check,
- Selke-level 1C... check,
- Tons of cap space... check,
- Tons of picks... check,
- Tons of quality prospects... check,
- Under the contract limit... check,
- Only 1 NMC... check.

Usually new GMs have to dig out of some deep nasty mess left by their predecessor. Fletcher had the table set, sheets pressed, flowers in the bath and a mother(frank)ing mint on his pillow.

All he had to do was to wait for the kids to grow, add a few minor pieces, and not (frank) the whole thing up by doing what he has done.
- Tomahawk

You forgot future possible franchise star C...Check! I believe in Nolan Patrick.

I think any bumhole on this board could do a better job then Fletcher is currently doing.

Except the ones who agree with the moves...

I think any bumhole on this board could do a better job then Fletcher is currently doing.

Except the ones who agree with the moves...
- SuperSchennBros

funny I know you are team negative but "these bad moves" actually seem like they are making you happy aka team positive

The worst part of being a cap team again is all the hypothetical cap arguments. My God.