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J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 21 @ 11:18 AM ET
Well yes, he's playing against 19-26 (MEAT READ!) year old players there. However, skill wise, some of those D1 schools are pushovers compared to some CHL teams. But yes, definitely older players.
- jmatchett383



I am not arguing one way or another.

Just pointing things out.

I still believe all 3 need some time.

I wonder if guys like Twarynski or Bunnaman could earn bottom 6 roles.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jun 21 @ 11:19 AM ET
1.9M is not a small bit.
- MJL


Yes it is. Its 2% of the cap.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 21 @ 11:20 AM ET
How did they waste space buying out AMac? Sending him down only gives us 1 mill and are on hook for 4 mill. Buyout had the opposite affect, we are on the hook for 1-2 mill and we gained 3-4 in cap space
- xShoot4WarAmpsx



Why is this so difficult to understand? We gained space by buying out Amac correct?

Then they used that space and traded for Braun correct?

I would rather they had not traded for Braun and kept the cap space they gained by buying out AMac. How is that not clear?
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Jun 21 @ 11:21 AM ET
I haven't seen anyone mention it, sorry if it was, but has anyone seen the rule changes for next season? Pretty interesting. Expanded video review, no limit to challenges.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 21 @ 11:23 AM ET
Yes it is. Its 2% of the cap.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


When you're going to be a cap team like the Flyers are going to apparently be moving forward, 1.9M is a significant amount of cap space. Are you aware of what having 1.9M of cap space can do for you at the trade deadline?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 21 @ 11:23 AM ET
Why is this so difficult to understand? We gained space by buying out Amac correct?

Then they used that space and traded for Braun correct?

I would rather they had not traded for Braun and kept the cap space they gained by buying out AMac. How is that not clear?

- MBFlyerfan


They gained space for this year while taking away space for next year.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 21 @ 11:24 AM ET
Why is this so difficult to understand? We gained space by buying out Amac correct?

Then they used that space and traded for Braun correct?

I would rather they had not traded for Braun and kept the cap space they gained by buying out AMac. How is that not clear?

- MBFlyerfan


It's not hard to understand. They bought out A-Mac and rushed out and flushed it next year on a third pairing aging veteran rental. A complete waste. They must have zero faith in Morin being a factor on the NHL roster. It's just about time to say Morin is a bust.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 21 @ 11:25 AM ET
I am not arguing one way or another.

Just pointing things out.

I still believe all 3 need some time.

I wonder if guys like Twarynski or Bunnaman could earn bottom 6 roles.

- J35Bacher


I think that all 3 need time as well. But if one of them was to make it, I really don't see any one specifically being favored at this point.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 21 @ 11:25 AM ET
Why is this so difficult to understand? We gained space by buying out Amac correct?

Then they used that space and traded for Braun correct?

I would rather they had not traded for Braun and kept the cap space they gained by buying out AMac. How is that not clear?

- MBFlyerfan


You didn't post the proper charts and graphs, nor did you show your math.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 21 @ 11:25 AM ET
When you're going to be a cap team like the Flyers are going to apparently be moving forward, 1.9M is a significant amount of cap space. Are you aware of what having 1.9M of cap space can do for you at the trade deadline?
- MJL



THIS!!!

Cap space doesn't mean so much when you have a lot of it. But the less you have the more valuable it becomes by degrees. There is less room for error, less room to maneuver. And it forces you in to using LTIR more often which comes back to bite you in the off season.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 21 @ 11:26 AM ET
When you're going to be a cap team like the Flyers are going to apparently be moving forward, 1.9M is a significant amount of cap space. Are you aware of what having 1.9M of cap space can do for you at the trade deadline?
- MJL

Or for injury call ups, especially with the dead cap we just took on.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jun 21 @ 11:26 AM ET
Why is this so difficult to understand? We gained space by buying out Amac correct?

Then they used that space and traded for Braun correct?

I would rather they had not traded for Braun and kept the cap space they gained by buying out AMac. How is that not clear?

- MBFlyerfan


It is clear but the two moves are separate. Braun has nothing to do with Amac. We didnt need to trade for him. AMac buyout was fine. Braun was questionable . At the end of the day everyone is over reacting. Nothing has happened yet. Why stress over something that may not even happen. All our RFAs could sign reasonable deals. Everyone is making a big deal over rumours.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Jun 21 @ 11:27 AM ET
Why is this so difficult to understand? We gained space by buying out Amac correct?

Then they used that space and traded for Braun correct?

I would rather they had not traded for Braun and kept the cap space they gained by buying out AMac. How is that not clear?

- MBFlyerfan


And kept the picks. Very important
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Jun 21 @ 11:28 AM ET
It is clear but the two moves are separate. Braun has nothing to do with Amac. We didnt need to trade for him. AMac buyout was fine. Braun was questionable . At the end of the day everyone is over reacting. Nothing has happened yet. Why stress over something that may not even happen. All our RFAs could sign reasonable deals. Everyone is making a big deal over rumours.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Even if they sign reasonable deals they're still going to be tight against the cap.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 21 @ 11:29 AM ET
Capbuzz how we've missed you
bmoreflyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Baltimore
Joined: 07.06.2017

Jun 21 @ 11:29 AM ET
If Caufield is sitting there at #11 tonight, does Fletcher select him or bungle the pick?
MrPerfect316
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, YT
Joined: 07.06.2008

Jun 21 @ 11:29 AM ET
https://thejuniorhockeyne...ty-leagues-at-all-levels/
- Tomahawk



Can’t argue the article from a development lense, but the q as a whole is a better league than the bcjhl. Only reason bcjhl has these top talent guys is they are holding their ncaa school eligibility.

Q definitely has had problems developing too talent for a few years outside of European imports.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 21 @ 11:30 AM ET
It is clear but the two moves are separate. Braun has nothing to do with Amac. We didnt need to trade for him. AMac buyout was fine. Braun was questionable . At the end of the day everyone is over reacting. Nothing has happened yet. Why stress over something that may not even happen. All our RFAs could sign reasonable deals. Everyone is making a big deal over rumours.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


That is simply not correct. They bought out MacDonald so they could trade for Braun. The moves are connected. Actually, reliable sources have speculated on numbers. They won't be too far off. If you actually look at the cap picture, even with conservative numbers, it puts the Flyers close to the upper limit. Then you project future seasons and it paints a picture. You should not be anywhere near the upper limit if you have as many up and coming young players as the Flyers have and are not a legit contender. That's bad management. It's not an overreaction.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 21 @ 11:31 AM ET
Rush them all
- funmaster18

I miss crims
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 21 @ 11:31 AM ET
The new Ghostbusters, by itself, wasn't all that bad.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 21 @ 11:32 AM ET
THIS!!!

Cap space doesn't mean so much when you have a lot of it. But the less you have the more valuable it becomes by degrees. There is less room for error, less room to maneuver. And it forces you in to using LTIR more often which comes back to bite you in the off season.

- MBFlyerfan



I get it and I wish the Fletch did some things different. I also get he thinks he is going to put the best team on the ice he can, Braun was part of that, Fletch will own the results. The good news, it is all short term but yeah it could affect call ups etc.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jun 21 @ 11:33 AM ET
Even if they sign reasonable deals they're still going to be tight against the cap.
- Ftown19125


That depends on this seasons cap increase and next. We can make room next season.

We still dont know if JVR and Voracek are part of Fletchers vision of the team, Niskanen can be moved if the young kids excel. We dont need 4th line guys making 1-2 mill each

Gudas cap is gone
Braun is gone

There are things the team can do to make space
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 21 @ 11:35 AM ET
It's not hard to understand. They bought out A-Mac and rushed out and flushed it next year on a third pairing aging veteran rental. A complete waste. They must have zero faith in Morin being a factor on the NHL roster. It's just about time to say Morin is a bust.
- PLindbergh31


Not sure about Morin being a bust. But I agree with most of what you say here. The Braun trade makes no sense even if they aren't sure about Morin. What sense does it make if they have to trade Ghost because of it? Or have to deal another young NHL asset to get compliant?

I would rather they deal Voracek or JVR than lose Ghost, Sanheim, Konecny, Patrick, Lindblom etc.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 21 @ 11:35 AM ET
If Caufield is sitting there at #11 tonight, does Fletcher select him or bungle the pick?
- bmoreflyer


That pick will be traded before tonight so no worries haha
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jun 21 @ 11:35 AM ET
That is simply not correct. They bought out MacDonald so they could trade for Braun. The moves are connected. Actually, reliable sources have speculated on numbers. They won't be too far off. If you actually look at the cap picture, even with conservative numbers, it puts the Flyers close to the upper limit. Then you project future seasons and it paints a picture. You should not be anywhere near the upper limit if you have as many up and coming young players as the Flyers have and are not a legit contender. That's bad management. It's not an overreaction.
- MJL


Im not going to argue with you, you are beyond reason. It makes more sense for me to stick my Richard in a paper cutter
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