So if this Wild Bill trade isn't BS....what is a realistic package for him?

Beaudin, Entwistle, Forsling (or Perlini) + 2019 and 2020 2nd Rounders?

So if this Wild Bill trade isn't BS....what is a realistic package for him?

Beaudin, Entwistle, Forsling (or Perlini) + 2019 and 2020 2nd Rounders?
- chitownfan92

I could see it being a bigger trade (roster wise)
Something like Wild Bill + another roster player (salary dump) with AA + picks/prospects going the other way

[quote=ChicagoHope]
You never bring an 18 year old to the NHL to be in your 3rd pairing. You have them play 1st pairing minutes in Junior or AHL (If eligible) so they can develop. If he isn’t playing 1st or 2nd pairing minutes it will stunt their development.

So if this Wild Bill trade isn't BS....what is a realistic package for him?

Beaudin, Entwistle, Forsling (or Perlini) + 2019 and 2020 2nd Rounders?
- chitownfan92

Yikes!!

Its William Karlsson not Mitch Marner

No kidding, and let’s not forget he knows nothing of chords... simply a guitar picker.
- Chief4Feathers

Lucille is going to get mad gentlemen.

Could be a good 4th line player.
- frafra

I don't think they'd sign him for that role.

I get that he sucked last year after returning from surgery, but he was still about 0.7 point per game player the season before. If he is healthier next season, he could return to top 6 level production or at least really good 3rd line production. He is 34, so his contract wouldn't be a 35+ yet.

I'm not pro Perry, I hate him as much as the next guy around here, but if he gets his knee sorted, I think he has some decent hockey left in the tank.

Yikes!!

Its William Karlsson not Mitch Marner
- PatShart

A trade for Marner would be painful. ADB would probably be one part of it.

I could see it being a bigger trade (roster wise)
Something like Wild Bill + another roster player (salary dump) with AA + picks/prospects going the other way
- Slofire94

I would love for it to be McNabb but unfortunately that doesn't seem likely. However a consolation prize of Haula or Eakin wouldn't bother me.

That is where this year’s Draft is messed up. This won’t be popular but here goes. The young US players had a showcase at the Worlds and did absolutely nothing. Hughes at the World Championships did less than nothing. Then he skipped the Combine. Hughes should not be 1. Kakko should be 1, having excelled as a mature player across the board. Also the fall to 3 is not as far as is widely held. I don’t think there is that great a fall at all.

I actually think Hughes is going to be a bust or simply average. Also his stats are make believe, run up the score, stats. However, he had basically no stats when the opposition got tougher. Hughes looks like he’s 12. I would have been interested in seeing his Combine weight and other stats. Remember that Kane went to London, in the tough OHL, to prove he could compete. Kakko was not always a consensus 2 either. Hughes has been the consensus 1 but it is as if by inertia.

The Hawks at 3 have an opportunity to chose a player, a leader that may prove best in the Draft, in exactly the same way that Toews was. The Hawks cannot blow this opportunity.
- Z3Hawk

Thise are valid concern and obvious points of contention about Hughes. What is most likely tbe case, however, is that the kid has talent and can play for sure in tbe NHL. How well he aclimates to the size and checking may prove to be an on going issue. He can be useful and productive on the powerplay as both Hughes and his coach feel out and learn how to use his great talent at this level. Perhaps you caught the skill compliment on Hughes by P Kane made at The World Championship Tournament.

When deciding upon choices 3-5 you first determine if it is a forward or dman at your draft slot.

Byram may or may not have defensive recognition and an issue to become eventually a top one or top
two pair. You do realize his great ability is compromised if you rush his development and he is not able to make enough strides in progress to play adequately. You may wind uo having to be patient with him. Sure a team is going to try fast forward progress. If totally enamorated then you live with his progress and eventual NHL dman outcome.

R Ellis, Nashville, had to learn basics how to play NHL defense. Trotz tried at first to spot him but Ellis wound up in the AHL for one season. Trotz surely then guided him along his path. It is a different focus on exactly what Byram must overcome and learn. I say wiz is correct when he questions Byram.......but wiz also did not say that Byram will fail. It will ne a process for him and who knows how good all parts of his game are in a few years.

Cozens is going to be productive and the things you read about his skill will play out. I wouldn't make too big a deal about his slow down speed as he makes plays ability.....he still is going to get points and he is not lacking ability, maybe not everything playmaking is at top speed. Button made that revelation and everyone said, oh his stock drops. Nope good scouts know what Cozens brings and his playing nasty size speed is what teams need.

Now you have a difference in north south play if you look at that aspect when you compare Cozens to Dach. In Dach you have the tenacity checking toughness with size factor. Dach holds the puck very well and appears to be a pain to play against him. Dach is a playmaker not really a goal scorer but he can score too.
His consistency producing points has been questioned. I read where Dach and Coisins are your 65 point scorer projection but oh they give you so much more. You need forwards like them.

Zegras and Turcotte are the skill forwards. Turcotte is the tenacious on the pick and can play at high speed. Zegras has elite passing and scoring ability. Reportedly plays more aggressive than P Kane. I believe this means he wil get involved and not necessarily shy regarding contact. But definetely not a boards type player.

Oh btw in a hockeybuzz post i forget whom it was did explain Dach does not have a skating issue. In one respect he is average skater but overall he is not lacking in skating.

Chicago really really needs to have more compete physical edge, more grit and that is why they should choose a forward. They have enough dmen prospects and i believe Bowman now finally relents and takes the forward whom is not the pure skill pick like TT was indicative of the Bowman approach.

But in being able to play at speed and being tenacious on the puck makes Turcotte the choice over the other forwards

Zegras is that good as to not totally surprise me if he jumps to #3. I go with Bowman puts them in preferancial order: Turcotte, Cozens, Dach, Zegrass then either Boldy/Podzlinski or a goaltender.....if they acquire a second first round pick. Interstingly enough Broberg skating compares to Keith.

Thise are valid concern and obvious loints of cintention about Hughes. What is most likdly tbe case, however, is that the kid has talent and can play for sure in tbe NHL. How well he aclimates to the size and checking may prove to be an on going issue. He can be useful and productive on the powerplay as both Hughes and his coach feel out and learn how to use his great talent at this level. Perhaps you caught the skill compliment on Hughes by P Kane made at The World Championship Tournament.

When deciding upon choices 3-5 you furst determine if ut is a forward or dman at your draft slot.

Byram may or may not have defensive recognition and an issue to become eventually a top one or too
L two pair. You do realize his great ability is comoromused if you rush his development and he is not able to make enough strides in progress to play adequately. You may wind uo havung to be patient with him. Sure a team is going to try fast forward progress. If totally enamorated then you live with his progress and eventual NHL dman outcome.

R Ellis, Nashville, had to learn basics hiw to play NHL defense. Trotz tried at first to spot him but Ellis wound uo in the AHL for one season. Trotz surely then guided him along his path. It is a different focus on exactly what Byram must overcome and learn. I say wiz is correct when he questions Byram.......but wiz also did not say that Byram will fail. It will ne a process for him and who knows how good all parts of his game are in a few years.

Cozens is going to be productive and the things you read about his skill will play out. I wouldn't make too big a deal about his slow down speed as he makes plays ability.....he still is going to get points and he is not lacking ability, maybe not everything playmaking is at top speed. Button made that revelation and everyone said, oh his stock drops. Nope good scouts know what Cozens brings and his playing nasty size speed is what teams need.

Now you have a difference in north south play if you look at that aspect when you compare Cozens to Dach. In Dach you have the tenacity checking toughness with size gactor. Dach holds the puck very well and appears to be a pain to play against him. Dach is a playmaker not really a goal scorer but he can score too.
His consistency producing points jas been questioned. I tead where Dach and Coisins are your 65 point scorer prokection but oh they give you so much more. You need forwards like them.

Zegras and Turcotte are the skill forwards. Turcotte is the tenacious on the pick and can play at high speed. Zegras has elite passing and scoring ability. Repotedly plays more aggressive than P Kane. I believevthis means he wil get involved and not necessarily shy regarding contavt. But definetely not a boards type player.

Oh btw in a hockeybuzz post i forget whom it was did explain Dach does not have a skating issue. In one tesoect he is average skater but overall he is not lacking in skating.

Chicago really really needs to have more compete physical edge, more grit and that is why they should choose a forward. They have enough dmen prospects and i believe Bowman now fimally relents and takes the forward whom is not the pure skill pick like TT was indicative of the Bowman approach.

But in being ablevto play at speed and being tenacious on the puck makes Turcotte the choice over the other forwards

Zegras is that good as to not totally surprise me if he jumos to #3. I go with Bowman pits them in preferanval order: Turcotte, Cozens, Dach, Zegrass then either Boldy/Podzlinski or a goaltender.....if they acwuire a second first round pick.
- jhawk59

Way too long of a post to read.

Lucille is going to get mad gentlemen.
- BlackhawkMike

A trade for Marner would be painful. ADB would probably be one part of it.
- paulr

Would you rather have Marner at $11M or Cat at $8M - or even $9M?

For me, that's a tough call, especially with the Hawks cap situation already having $21M tied up in 2 players. The $2M-$3M difference between Marner and Cat would be a big deal in constructing a competitive lineup.

[quote=SDHawkFan]
Trace R Ellis Nashville path

Would you rather have Marner at $11M or Cat at $8M - or even $9M?

For me, that's a tough call, especially with the Hawks cap situation already having $21M tied up in 2 players. The $2M-$3M difference between Marner and Cat would be a big deal in constructing a competitive lineup.
- EbonyRaptor

Cat at $8M, do doubt.

Yikes!!

Its William Karlsson not Mitch Marner
- PatShart

Karlsson will be asking for a lot of money. So the cost will be young assets (Vegas will not be taking salary back) and Cap space. And which Karlsson would you be getting the Vegas one or the pre-Vegas one?? Bowman needs to pass on this one.

Still no action....

I would love for it to be McNabb but unfortunately that doesn't seem likely. However a consolation prize of Haula or Eakin wouldn't bother me.
- chitownfan92

Haula had season ending surgery..
Missed most of the season i do believe

Thise are valid concern and obvious loints of cintention about Hughes. What is most likdly tbe case, however, is that the kid has talent and can play for sure in tbe NHL. How well he aclimates to the size and checking may prove to be an on going issue. He can be useful and productive on the powerplay as both Hughes and his coach feel out and learn how to use his great talent at this level. Perhaps you caught the skill compliment on Hughes by P Kane made at The World Championship Tournament.

When deciding upon choices 3-5 you furst determine if ut is a forward or dman at your draft slot.

Byram may or may not have defensive recognition and an issue to become eventually a top one or too
L two pair. You do realize his great ability is comoromused if you rush his development and he is not able to make enough strides in progress to play adequately. You may wind uo havung to be patient with him. Sure a team is going to try fast forward progress. If totally enamorated then you live with his progress and eventual NHL dman outcome.

R Ellis, Nashville, had to learn basics hiw to play NHL defense. Trotz tried at first to spot him but Ellis wound uo in the AHL for one season. Trotz surely then guided him along his path. It is a different focus on exactly what Byram must overcome and learn. I say wiz is correct when he questions Byram.......but wiz also did not say that Byram will fail. It will ne a process for him and who knows how good all parts of his game are in a few years.

Cozens is going to be productive and the things you read about his skill will play out. I wouldn't make too big a deal about his slow down speed as he makes plays ability.....he still is going to get points and he is not lacking ability, maybe not everything playmaking is at top speed. Button made that revelation and everyone said, oh his stock drops. Nope good scouts know what Cozens brings and his playing nasty size speed is what teams need.

Now you have a difference in north south play if you look at that aspect when you compare Cozens to Dach. In Dach you have the tenacity checking toughness with size gactor. Dach holds the puck very well and appears to be a pain to play against him. Dach is a playmaker not really a goal scorer but he can score too.
His consistency producing points jas been questioned. I tead where Dach and Coisins are your 65 point scorer prokection but oh they give you so much more. You need forwards like them.

Zegras and Turcotte are the skill forwards. Turcotte is the tenacious on the pick and can play at high speed. Zegras has elite passing and scoring ability. Repotedly plays more aggressive than P Kane. I believevthis means he wil get involved and not necessarily shy regarding contavt. But definetely not a boards type player.

Oh btw in a hockeybuzz post i forget whom it was did explain Dach does not have a skating issue. In one tesoect he is average skater but overall he is not lacking in skating.

Chicago really really needs to have more compete physical edge, more grit and that is why they should choose a forward. They have enough dmen prospects and i believe Bowman now fimally relents and takes the forward whom is not the pure skill pick like TT was indicative of the Bowman approach.

But in being ablevto play at speed and being tenacious on the puck makes Turcotte the choice over the other forwards

Zegras is that good as to not totally surprise me if he jumos to #3. I go with Bowman pits them in preferanval order: Turcotte, Cozens, Dach, Zegrass then either Boldy/Podzlinski or a goaltender.....if they acwuire a second first round pick.
- jhawk59

Todd Cordell has done numerous blogs with stats showing that Hughes was a lot more impressive then the ppl who just saw his ice time from the mens team seem to realize. Those same ppl dont want to realize that the situations where entirely different. I also gotta think that on the smaller ice surface with teams playing within familiar systems that it becomes much easier to stop a straight line player trying to drive straight to the net vs someone carving through like Hughes where anyone on the ice can become a weapon with one pass or jolt.

Blackhawks’ Jonathan Toews asking $7.25 million for condo he bought last fall
https://www.chicagobusine...21&utm_content=hero-image

I need a fix Tyler...

Six more hours to the draft.

Perry in a Blackhawks sweater?... I don’t want to live in a world where that happens.
- Chief4Feathers

I would rather have him go to Trashville he would fit in just perfect with the rest of those douchbags.

Perry

That’d be a better starting point I think. The Canucks would probably counter with 10th, Virtanen, Juolevi
- NewYorkNuck

Then I am making the pick. 2 busts and the 10th isn't even close enough to let a team move up 7 spots.

Blackhawks’ Jonathan Toews asking $7.25 million for condo he bought last fall
https://www.chicagobusine...21&utm_content=hero-image
- glennjpawlak22

Sounds like he is flipping it. He never lived there, made some upgrades and now listing it for $825,000 more than he paid for it.

Blackhawks’ Jonathan Toews asking $7.25 million for condo he bought last fall
https://www.chicagobusine...21&utm_content=hero-image
- glennjpawlak22

That can only mean one thing ... Toews is getting traded to free up cap space to sign Perry.