Start with Stan asking for Petterson for the 3rd. When they say no, then ask for Horvat and the 10th for the 3rd. Ask big, then ask for a more reasonable trade.
- powerenforcer

Ahhhh - the Art Of the Deal....

Is he good at both ends? Doesn’t seem to be a consensus on that.
- Ogilthorpe2

If the Hawks pick him, I'm worried he turns out to be the next Bryan Berard, not Drew Doughty.

Start with Stan asking for Petterson for the 3rd. When they say no, then ask for Horvat and the 10th for the 3rd. Ask big, then ask for a more reasonable trade.
- powerenforcer

Pick Byram at 3rd, see who falls to the Canucks at 10. If you like what they got, work a deal from there. I don't do the deal without their first rounder included.

Is he good at both ends? Doesn’t seem to be a consensus on that.
- Ogilthorpe2

He's 17. I think there's a good chance he gets better over the next couple years. Very few d-men that end up being #1 d-men do it as an 18 year old.

I find it funny if Q were still here...and the Perry rumor happpend, the Q haters would be blaming Q for the interest, that he only likes retreads/hates young players, etc.

Yet Q is gone and they are still looking at vets/reclamation projects

Is he good at both ends? Doesn’t seem to be a consensus on that.
- Ogilthorpe2

TSN had a Mock draft, (it may be on their website?) and they polled a number of NHL scouts and the scouts are who informed Button and MacKenzie that Byram was good in his own end. Of course I myself can't attest to it as I have't seen him or any of the other players play live .

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My thoughts on the draft.

It boils down to WHO the Hawks felt was the better driving force behind their 3 Cup run. Duncan Keith and his ability to dominate for almost 30 minutes a game, or Jonathan Toews in his leadership role as the Captain and #1 Center.

We all know as well that this could have never happened with Kane, Seabrook, Hossa, and Crawford, but when making this selection tonight, it'll all be about who can take take the next Hawk's team into yearly contenders again.

If they believe it was Keith, they'll take Bowen, if they believe it was Toews, they'll take Turcotte.
Hopefully they'll get it right.

My prediction.....Byron Bowen.
- Hawkytalk

Well you don't even know his name.... So there is that

If the Hawks pick him, I'm worried he turns out to be the next Bryan Berard, not Drew Doughty.
- Larmer

Berard was pretty solid until the eye injury. Never fully recovered after.

Just for fun.....what do you guys think it would take to move up to #2 and get Kakko ?
Could it be done ?
- OutlawSteve

The expectation to have T Hall and Kakko on same line or a key member each on a top two lines, is hard to dismantle.

If Jersey was a very bad team then they could entertain trading down twice, each time the price has to be a good to very good prospect. A bit radical dropping down twice but how bad do you want to infuse (on my thinking) For example, Chicago surrenders Mitchell and Montreal hands Suzuki over. The Devils draft well in round and their own early round and poof four new players. Jj7j you

The cost to move even to #3 is significant _ m Jesey, though, if they really like Zegras say 5th pick. Good to add talent and persuade.Hal to stay. img][/img]

I don't usually like getting into trade speculation because I have no idea what any team needs, is looking for or what they are willing to give up ..... but ..... Apparently the Canucks covet Bowen Byram. Would they trade Bo Horvat to the Hawk's for the #3 pick??

Horvat would be an amazing pickup, 24 years old, a very good 2 way player who is coming off a 27 goal season and has averaged 20 a season. He's a fierce competitor who is excellent in his own zone and is good on faceoffs. He's a known quantity and would obviously step right into the Hawk's lineup and he has a reasonable $5.5M cap hit for 4 more years.
- paulr

I think you outlined the reasons why Vancouver wouldn't do the trade. Horvat means a lot to them and you'd have to add more to get a young rebuilding team to part with one of their solid young players. Horvat is already good and they won't deal him for the chance at someone who might be good, not with his age/status and their position as a team. Would be different if Vancouver was over a barrel trying to unload salary or something.

I think you outlined the reasons why Vancouver wouldn't do the trade. Horvat means a lot to them and you'd have to add more to get a young rebuilding team to part with one of their solid young players. Horvat is already good and they won't deal him for the chance at someone who might be good, not with his age/status and their position as a team. Would be different if Vancouver was over a barrel trying to unload salary or something.
- breadbag

I agree and that is why I don't usually get into trade speculation, I wind up suggesting a stupidly one sided trade for the Hawks. The chances of any of the 2019 prospects being as good as Horvat are almost zero. He's a proven two way top 6 centerman who I think will only get better.

I would maybe do Thatcher Demko, Jake Vertanen and the swap of the picks.

Berard was pretty solid until the eye injury. Never fully recovered after.
- TheTrob

Agreed.

Oddly enough he had his best season with the Hawks.

My prediction.....Byron Bowen.
- Hawkytalk

If his motivation is purely a chance to play to win - then he would sign for 1-year for minimum on a prove it deal. Not a chance I would do multi-year and you're out of your mind if you want to pay him $4.5M.
- EbonyRaptor

I may well be out of my mind.

If I am Corey Perry and there are multiple teams courting me that all have a decent chance at contending for a cup I think I will get more than a 1 year deal for the minimum.

If I am a GM with a possible cup contending team, I might take a flyer on a 34 year old, a year removed from MCL surgery, that can play up and down the line up, add about 20 goals and 35 assists, and play physical and nasty.

My prediction - he signs somewhere for about $4.5 mil for 2 or 3 years and he will turn out to be a bargain, and a significant contributor to that team.

Russ Cohen has 3,4 and 5 being Turcotte, Byram, Dach.

I may well be out of my mind.

If I am Corey Perry and there are multiple teams courting me that all have a decent chance at contending for a cup I think I will get more than a 1 year deal for the minimum.

If I am a GM with a possible cup contending team, I might take a flyer on a 34 year old, a year removed from MCL surgery, that can play up and down the line up, add about 20 goals and 35 assists, and play physical and nasty.

My prediction - he signs somewhere for about $4.5 mil for 2 or 3 years and he will turn out to be a bargain, and a significant contributor to that team.
- -Doh-

St. Louis looks like a good fit for him, and they have the cap space

I would maybe do Thatcher Demko, Jake Vertanen and the swap of the picks.
- LAHawk

That’d be a better starting point I think. The Canucks would probably counter with 10th, Virtanen, Juolevi

Russ Cohen has 3,4 and 5 being Turcotte, Byram, Dach.
- LAHawk

I just googled Russ Cohen and he has blogs about edible wild mushrooms. Joking aside, who is Russ Cohen?

Although, the Hawks could use some nasty grit.....
- Captain33Graham

Yeah but, this isn't "grit". This is being an ass.

That’d be a better starting point I think. The Canucks would probably counter with 10th, Virtanen, Juolevi
- NewYorkNuck

Former #5 pick overall, I know he got hurt last year, if no trade, do you think he makes the big club this year?

I agree and that is why I don't usually get into trade speculation, I wind up suggesting a stupidly one sided trade for the Hawks. The chances of any of the 2019 prospects being as good as Horvat are almost zero. He's a proven two way top 6 centerman who I think will only get better.
- paulr

Trades are hard in the NHL today, especially with the cap. I think the other thing is that GMs to make silly trades sometimes and we hope they will keep doing it. Last year, not many people would have said "okay" to Manning for Caggiula. Most Oilers fans would have said "no way would the Oilers do that". They did.

I just googled Russ Cohen and he has blogs about edible wild mushrooms. Joking aside, who is Russ Cohen?
- paulr

He does the hockey Prospects show on the weekends on NHL radio.

I find it funny if Q were still here...and the Perry rumor happpend, the Q haters would be blaming Q for the interest, that he only likes retreads/hates young players, etc.

Yet Q is gone and they are still looking at vets/reclamation projects
- PatShart

Think all teams worth their salt, give reclamation projects a thorough once over. The extra bonus thrown in here is league experience. Wouldn't overpay and would have to prove he's healthy. If he is, some team is poised for a potential steal. A little character would be beneficial to Chicago in addition. Young kids in Rockford probably could not bring you that dimension. It is a gamble, but it is worth considering IMHO.

After first two the field levels out big time. Shaw might be available from Mtl. Career year in pts. Team friendly deal. Maybe there's a deal to be had there. Shaw, 15th pick and a second rounder for #3. Not a lot of difference in this years draft class