In fact reported exact opposite. And those involved directly, on both sides, said otherwise
- burn

It's safe to say Mitch would have bet on himself given the circumstances (0 full seasons as a top 6 forward prior, Tavares being his C).

To be fair it was a report from Kypreos that alleged that the Leafs had balked at a deal around 8 years and 9 million per last summer.

Kypreos has been pretty sketchy with 'insider' opinions so who knows.
- The Law

there are numerous reports of Marner camp last season going on the record of being interested in signing a new deal with Leafs before start of the 2018-2019 season.
Dubas was too focused on his boy Nylander, and apparently lowballed Marner - at the time 8-8.5mln/8y deal was a real possibility.

honestly I completely support Marner's position on this - he's been the best player for the Leafs over the last 2 seasons, and Dubas has given priority to 1/ Nylander 2/ Matthews (although that is understandable) 3/ Kapanen 4/ Johnsson.

Honestly if I'm Marner and I receive a 5y 10.55 AAV contract from the NYR, I'll sign it in a second. that's a very fair contract for Marner.

"Cap" only matters if you can spend it. Carolina had the lowest payroll of any team last season. They don't have the $ to go near the cap max.
- RogerRoeper

Right, cash matters, and they just committed millions to buying out Marleau. Might have been $$ they could've used to add a real player rather than a pick.

Meh, I'm sure they know what they're doing.

In fact reported exact opposite. And those involved directly, on both sides, said otherwise
- burn

Leafs lunch quote from Marner's agent: https://twitter.com/Leafs...tatus/1045697389561106438

there were several other podcasts / articles as well.

Right, cash matters, and they just committed millions to buying out Marleau. Might have been $$ they could've used to add a real player rather than a pick.

Meh, I'm sure they know what they're doing.
- The Law

Just making a point that they won't go near the cap max, so they don't worry about "Cap Space".

They view 1sts as very important as they are cheap.

In fact reported exact opposite. And those involved directly, on both sides, said otherwise
- burn

Ferris said it later on, (after Matthews signed?)

Of course, I would love to hear Ferris' definition of "lowballed".

I imagine that the lowball would sound a lot like what some people here think Dubas should have signed him for... and their revisionist history is pure speculation and fantasy.

I was never especially happy about Dubas as a GM, (just wanted someone more experienced) but I don't think this mess is all his fault.

Leafs lunch quote from Marner's agent: https://twitter.com/Leafs...tatus/1045697389561106438

there were several other podcasts / articles as well.
- MaximusAurelius

You're seriously using that as a quote? LOL He mentions nothing about numbers.

Leafs lunch quote from Marner's agent: https://twitter.com/Leafs...tatus/1045697389561106438

there were several other podcasts / articles as well.
- MaximusAurelius

He also said he wanted to be last to sign, and your post specifically says they'll wait till after the season is over.

Fail.

Ferris said it later on, (after Matthews signed?)

Of course, I would love to hear Ferris' definition of "lowballed".

I imagine that the lowball would sound a lot like what some people here think Dubas should have signed him for... and their revisionist history is pure speculation and fantasy.

I was never especially happy about Dubas as a GM, (just wanted someone more experienced) but I don't think this mess is all his fault.
- Aetherial

He's asking for 2-2.5mil more than he's worth this second. He's reportedly turned down an offer that makes him highest paid winger and 1.5 overpaid.

If the leafs offend him 9ish last summer and farris called that low balled, who's fault is that?

This isn't dubas fault at all. But simpletons want it to be

Thank you Santo for correcting 100 years of coaching history for me.

There is 1 rookie forward in the top 50 in time on ice shorthanded this past season. Now, to his credit, Cirelli is 3rd overall, and plays for Tampa Bay. But again, these guys are outliers.

Oh and the previous season when Cirelli played in 18 games, he was 120 something on the list.
- aminnes

You will listen to him and not have your own opinion God dman you.

How dare you think otherwise

BTW, Dubas would not have had to deal with Nylander if Lou had done it the summer prior.

there are numerous reports of Marner camp last season going on the record of being interested in signing a new deal with Leafs before start of the 2018-2019 season.
Dubas was too focused on his boy Nylander, and apparently lowballed Marner - at the time 8-8.5mln/8y deal was a real possibility.

honestly I completely support Marner's position on this - he's been the best player for the Leafs over the last 2 seasons, and Dubas has given priority to 1/ Nylander 2/ Matthews (although that is understandable) 3/ Kapanen 4/ Johnsson.

Honestly if I'm Marner and I receive a 5y 10.55 AAV contract from the NYR, I'll sign it in a second. that's a very fair contract for Marner.
- MaximusAurelius

And the Leafs will match, unless it gets to 4 firsts compensation. Which is why I said the number will likely not be over 10.5

You're seriously using that as a quote? LOL He mentions nothing about numbers.
- RogerRoeper

Says well wait till after the season. But he could have been signed last summer

He also said he wanted to be last to sign, and your post specifically says they'll wait till after the season is over.

Fail.
- burn

comprehensive reading is not your strong point it seems.
he literally says before start of season - if not, they'll wait until after the season.
his quote on wanting to be the last to sign was already after the start of last season.

He's asking for 2-2.5mil more than he's worth this second. He's reportedly turned down an offer that makes him highest paid winger and 1.5 overpaid.

If the leafs offend him 9ish last summer and farris called that low balled, who's fault is that?

This isn't dubas fault at all. But simpletons want it to be
- burn

... and it isn't like we don't already know his agent is a douchebag and Marner's father is an even bigger bumhole.

Loved listening to him on the radio trying to sell everyone that Marner really is a center and should be paid like one.

And the Leafs will match, unless it gets to 4 firsts compensation. Which is why I said the number will likely not be over 10.5
- Aetherial

If he gets to offersheets and nothing materialize then what?

I can't wait until there are 0 offersheets. I am going straight to Dreger's twitter account.

It's safe to say Mitch would have bet on himself given the circumstances (0 full seasons as a top 6 forward prior, Tavares being his C).
- RogerRoeper

Ken Campbell last July speculated on this very thing.

comprehensive reading is not your strong point it seems.
he literally says before start of season - if not, they'll wait until after the season.
his quote on wanting to be the last to sign was already after the start of last season.
- MaximusAurelius

What in the (frank)?

I'm the one with reading problems? He says he wants to be last to sign, says he'll wait till the season is over if can't get done now (Matthews and nylander not done, so....)


delete your (frank)ing account now.

Very proud to say i just became a grandpa for the first time. Baby girl looks nothing like Garnie, no matter what he says. All are healthy and perfect.

Cheers
- bixll

Congrats bixll!

If he gets to offersheets and nothing materialize then what?
- burn

I still think he ends up around 10.5

I originally thought he would get 11.5 until I saw the RFA compensation numbers. I think those numbers give us a good idea of how this will go down.

If there is absolutely no offer-sheets, then there may be a holdout.

I think at this point we would consider 10.5 an expected deal, anything under 10 is better than expected. If that offer-sheet is over 10.6, the Leafs should take the 4 firsts, but I would be surprised if a team would do that.

lol ...I was going to say the same thing. 8 x 8 last year!

Truth is that all of these guys wanted short deals. I'm sure the PA and agents are all over this group of RFA's. New TV $$ coming and new CBA.

The real fight is teams trying to get a 6th, 7th or 8th year. Interested to see if any of the big RFA's take more years.
- The Law

In the coming CBA negotiations the league is going to try and limit all contracts to 5 years.

I still think he ends up around 10.5

I originally thought he would get 11.5 until I saw the RFA compensation numbers. I think those numbers give us a good idea of how this will go down.

If there is absolutely no offer-sheets, then there may be a holdout.

I think at this point we would consider 10.5 an expected deal, anything under 10 is better than expected. If that offer-sheet is over 10.6, the Leafs should take the 4 firsts, but I would be surprised if a team would do that.
- Aetherial

it's very simple.
matthews has best contract in league (for a player) with 11.634AAV for 5years.
Marner is willing to sign a 10.5AAV contract, but on 5y deal.
Leafs want it to be a 8y deal at that AAV.
That's not good for Marner - and it's not out of the question he'll get a team to offer him 9.5-10.5mln at 5years. Leafs then have to decide whether to match or to take the picks. Seems obvious from a Leafs perspective to give him the 5y deal now, instead of going to a offersheet matching route.

I still think he ends up around 10.5

I originally thought he would get 11.5 until I saw the RFA compensation numbers. I think those numbers give us a good idea of how this will go down.

If there is absolutely no offer-sheets, then there may be a holdout.

I think at this point we would consider 10.5 an expected deal, anything under 10 is better than expected. If that offer-sheet is over 10.6, the Leafs should take the 4 firsts, but I would be surprised if a team would do that.
- Aetherial

By all accounts they've already offered around 10.5 and it was rejected.

I agree, they shouldn't offer a penny over that 4x 1st compensation level. If he has rejected that offer and goes out in search of offer sheet and none materialize then I think he is (frank)ed. You think that if no offer sheet comes he comes back to take the leafs 10.5 offer, I bet the leafs say (frank) that it's off the table it's now 9mil.

In the coming CBA negotiations the league is going to try and limit all contracts to 5 years.
- The Shrike

I would think so, and also to make all players eligible for arbitration coming off entry level deals