it's very simple.
matthews has best contract in league (for a player) with 11.634AAV for 5years.
Marner is willing to sign a 10.5AAV contract, but on 5y deal.
Leafs want it to be a 8y deal at that AAV.
That's not good for Marner - and it's not out of the question he'll get a team to offer him 9.5-10.5mln at 5years. Leafs then have to decide whether to match or to take the picks. Seems obvious from a Leafs perspective to give him the 5y deal now, instead of going to a offersheet matching route.
- MaximusAurelius

The leafs offered him 10.5 he rejected but you think someone offersheets him at 9.5-10.5 and he signs that?

The leafs offered him 10.5 he rejected but you think someone offersheets him at 9.5-10.5 and he signs that?


- burn

Leafs offer was 10.5mln on 8 year your dumbwhit.
10.5mln on 5y is more interesting to MArner than 10.5mln over 8y.

I would think so, and also to make all players eligible for arbitration coming off entry level deals
- winsix

That'd be good

By all accounts they've already offered around 10.5 and it was rejected.

I agree, they shouldn't offer a penny over that 4x 1st compensation level. If he has rejected that offer and goes out in search of offer sheet and none materialize then I think he is (frank)ed. You think that if no offer sheet comes he comes back to take the leafs 10.5 offer, I bet the leafs say (frank) that it's off the table it's now 9mil.
- burn

The reports are that the argument is more about term than money. Ferris is a lousy agent and Marner is his prized account. The only other star he represents is Taylor Hall, for whom he got $6 million a year - same a RNH - not very good work.

By all accounts they've already offered around 10.5 and it was rejected.

I agree, they shouldn't offer a penny over that 4x 1st compensation level. If he has rejected that offer and goes out in search of offer sheet and none materialize then I think he is (frank)ed. You think that if no offer sheet comes he comes back to take the leafs 10.5 offer, I bet the leafs say (frank) that it's off the table it's now 9mil.
- burn

Yeah, Part of me would love to see no offer-sheets come in, and then Dubas turns around and offers 9 over 8 years, or let him sit.

I despise this idea that Ferris has decided to use the offer-sheet threat. It would be great to see him not get one, or sign one and leave.

I know Marner is just too tempting to GMs, but I would hope they would have the foresight to understand what an offersheet would do to the market.

Leafs offer was 10.5mln on 8 year your dumbwhit.
10.5mln on 5y is more interesting to MArner than 10.5mln over 8y.
- MaximusAurelius

Do you bother reading what you write ever?

Ken Campbell last July speculated on this very thing.
- Aetherial

I mentioned this last year. 69 points the previous year given poop TOI was fantastic.

I love how the anti-Dubas crowds want to ignore Marleau and Zaitsev deals Lou gave out

Dubas believes like me, pay your stars and cheapout on supporting cast. Lou likes to give 6 milion per to aging 40 point guys

The leafs offered him 10.5 he rejected but you think someone offersheets him at 9.5-10.5 and he signs that?


- burn

Term was the sticking point with the Leafs.

I don't think he signs a 9.5-10.5 for 8 years because he doesn't want 8 years.

I also don't see a team giving him more than that for only 5 years term.

I really have to wonder where the kid's head is at. He really does run the risk of not playing where he grew up wanting to play. Endorsement $ are almost certainly nowhere near what he will get elsewhere. The Leafs have a very talented core and legitimate window.

There are a lot of social and financial rewards to being a lifetime Leaf.

I mentioned this last year. 69 points the previous year given poop TOI was fantastic.
- RogerRoeper

... and knowing he would play with Tavares or even Matthews if him and Tavares did not click.

He did the right thing holding off, but i think he is now starting to let Ferris overplay his hand.

Dubas believes like me, pay your stars and cheapout on supporting cast. Lou likes to give 6 milion per to aging 40 point guys
- RogerRoeper

Agree in principle, but I think there is a limit to this reasoning.

Leafs likely to have 40M tied up in 4 players. I don't see how you ice a winning team structuring your salary like that.

I would think so, and also to make all players eligible for arbitration coming off entry level deals
- winsix

Or, 5 years of ELC, followed immediately by UFA.

Agree in principle, but I think there is a limit to this reasoning.

Leafs likely to have 40M tied up in 4 players. I don't see how you ice a winning team structuring your salary like that.
- Aetherial

That will be the norm soon. And the cap keeps rising.

People think Leafs are a lottery team? HAHA. Let's be serious guys.Compare our talent with the bottom 5 teams last year and get back to me.
- RogerRoeper

Leafs protected the pick, not the fans.

The leafs offered him 10.5 he rejected but you think someone offersheets him at 9.5-10.5 and he signs that?


- burn

Where was the 10.5 offer reported? I hadn't heard that ...Kypreos?

Where was the 10.5 offer reported? I hadn't heard that ...Kypreos?
- The Law

No one has, just a fallacy.

Yeah, Part of me would love to see no offer-sheets come in, and then Dubas turns around and offers 9 over 8 years, or let him sit.

I despise this idea that Ferris has decided to use the offer-sheet threat. It would be great to see him not get one, or sign one and leave.

I know Marner is just too tempting to GMs, but I would hope they would have the foresight to understand what an offersheet would do to the market.
- Aetherial

I still can't see any offer sheet happening. Leafs would just match. It would take Dubas 3 seconds to do it.

Leafs protected the pick, not the fans.
- Garnie

And why would they not?

No one has, just a fallacy.
- bobbyisno1

Ya, I think people reading into the Marner wants X ....Leafs willing to do X if it's long term.

Nobody knows X yet.

Dreger said it was 11+ ....social media told MM to (frank) off ...next day Dreger said it's less than 11.

Maybe the ask is 10+ .....Leafs offer is 9+ ......Leafs pushing for an extra year or two.

It'll be done by end of week.

And why would they not?
- RogerRoeper

Why would they? Someone laughed at the idea of us ever being there in the next 2 years? Our D suck at the moment, I’m glad he did.

it’s like Groundhog Day in here, some people need to come up with some new material.

Oh Toronto. How I warned you. The Marleau trade is even worst than expected.
- RedRevenge

https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2020/

I still can't see any offer sheet happening. Leafs would just match. It would take Dubas 3 seconds to do it.
- gergeswillems

Marner ain't signing a sheet for more than 5 years unless its ridiculous coin.
Teams aren't submitting a sheet for 5 years if it's going to cost 4 1sts (so no more than 10.5).
So the worst case scenario for the Leafs is an offer of 5 x 10.5 ....worst case.

Then factor in the " would MM really leave the current situation for a couple hundred thousand per year" factor. And the "big local endorsements" factor. And I gotta think if the Leafs had 5 x upper 9's on the table this would be done.

I think the Leafs are pushing for year 6 (or more) and are likely closer to 9.

I'm still guessing 6 x 9.5 gets it done ..next weekend.

I'd be embarrassed if my parent was speaking out in the media about how much I should be paid. That's messed up.

A ton of other high profile RFAs have not signed so Marner isn't the only one. It's all part of negotation. There won't be any offer sheets. He'll sign by the deadline. Like I said, I'll eat at Red Lobster if I'm wrong.