I love how this ass hole obsesses over assets and has constantly ripped the Adam Fox acquisition since the moment it happened

I love how this ass hole obsesses over assets and has constantly ripped the Adam Fox acquisition since the moment it happened
- jimbro83

1.) Well the Rangers don't currently have a spot for him on the roster. 2.) The Rangers gave up 2 picks for him. A player who has yet to play an NHL game.

The Rangers have 18 million to sign Trouba, DeAngelo, Lemieux and Buchnevich

So let's say Trouba gets 7.5, DeAngelo at 3.5, Buch at 2.75 and Lemieux at 2, that is 15.75. 2.5 million, roughly, is left. Even trading two of Kreider, Vesey and Vlad only gives at most 11.25 million. Barely enough to sign Panarin. Not enough to do anything else. So why would people not want to get another controlable asset in a stacked draft year? Oh yeah, "Beccause it's not how the Rangers do things." A.k.a, no foresight. VERY BAD DEAL!
- tomburton99

Gorton has done a lot of this at the TDL. Problem is that Sather really (frank)ed poop up with the Staal, Smith, Hank contract. (Shatty was Gorton).

They have to move out a few of these contracts and probably just wait for a few that are not moveable to expire unfortunately

1.) Well the Rangers don't currently have a spot for him on the roster. 2.) The Rangers gave up 2 picks for him. A player who has yet to play an NHL game.
- tomburton99

Yeah he couldn’t play any nhl games last year while he was leading the ECAC in scoring. That would be impossible.

1.) Well the Rangers don't currently have a spot for him on the roster. 2.) The Rangers gave up 2 picks for him. A player who has yet to play an NHL game.
- tomburton99

They will make room for him if he is ready. IMO the two picks are that steep of a price based on Fox's upside and where is currently as a player

1.) Well the Rangers don't currently have a spot for him on the roster. 2.) The Rangers gave up 2 picks for him. A player who has yet to play an NHL game.
- tomburton99

The rangers traded a 2nd and conditional 3rd for a player who would go 9th overall in a projected redraft. And he’s a few years closer to NHL ready now so we wouldn’t have to wait for him to develop and has a safer floor at this point.

A 2nd and 3rd for the 9th overall seems like damn good asset management to me

I bet if you tried to trade up to 9th overall over the weekend, those pair of picks won’t get it done.

9. Montreal Canadiens: Adam Fox
Actual draft pick: No. 66 (change: +57) to Calgary
My final ranking: No. 29 (change: +20)

Remember when I said that this ranking was going to be based on my evaluations? Well here we are at the point where a kid who has yet to play an NHL game gets ranked ahead of several who are a season or two deep into their NHL careers. I’m confident Fox is going to be that good. He’s one of those players who is going to spend so much time with the puck on his stick on offence that concerns over the ability of a smaller defender to be a No. 1 are quickly going to be muted. Fox is a stud who just had the most productive season by an NCAA defenceman (1.45 points per game!) since I began doing this whole scouting things six years ago (breaking the record of 1.08 points per game that he tied two seasons before). This is a kid, who, as a defenceman, posted 17 more points than his nearest teammate while playing to a plus-23 rating on a Harvard team that spent more time outside of USA Today’s national NCAA ranking than it did inside it. He’s going to immediately become an impact player for the Rangers and will probably go down as the second-biggest steal of the 2016 draft (if that’s possible for a kid who never played for the team that drafted him) to Alex DeBrincat. Like DeBrincat, I was considerably higher on Fox than the NHL consensus, so that’s good, but I was still too low on him. The kid led the NCAA in points per game (not just defencemen, everyone)!

Yeah he couldn’t play any nhl games last year while he was leading the ECAC in scoring. That would be impossible.
- jimbro83

Big if true.

9. Montreal Canadiens: Adam Fox
Actual draft pick: No. 66 (change: +57) to Calgary
My final ranking: No. 29 (change: +20)

Remember when I said that this ranking was going to be based on my evaluations? Well here we are at the point where a kid who has yet to play an NHL game gets ranked ahead of several who are a season or two deep into their NHL careers. I’m confident Fox is going to be that good. He’s one of those players who is going to spend so much time with the puck on his stick on offence that concerns over the ability of a smaller defender to be a No. 1 are quickly going to be muted. Fox is a stud who just had the most productive season by an NCAA defenceman (1.45 points per game!) since I began doing this whole scouting things six years ago (breaking the record of 1.08 points per game that he tied two seasons before). This is a kid, who, as a defenceman, posted 17 more points than his nearest teammate while playing to a plus-23 rating on a Harvard team that spent more time outside of USA Today’s national NCAA ranking than it did inside it. He’s going to immediately become an impact player for the Rangers and will probably go down as the second-biggest steal of the 2016 draft (if that’s possible for a kid who never played for the team that drafted him) to Alex DeBrincat. Like DeBrincat, I was considerably higher on Fox than the NHL consensus, so that’s good, but I was still too low on him. The kid led the NCAA in points per game (not just defencemen, everyone)!
- rangerdanger94

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...forum_id=1"e=19904146

https://www.hockeybuzz.com/boards/post.php?thread_id=160345&forum_id=1"e=19904146
- tomburton99

I think it speaks to how facking good Fox is going to be. The summary from the article literally goes into why he’s being redrafted at 9th overall over players who have already made an impact.

I think it speaks to how facking good Fox is going to be. The summary from the article literally goes into why he’s being redrafted at 9th overall over players who have already made an impact.
- rangerdanger94

ultimately it's just fruitless to think Burton could have a reasonable discussion about this

if the Flyers or Islanders gave up two 2nd rounders for Fox he'd think Fox is amazing

The Rangers have 18 million to sign Trouba, DeAngelo, Lemieux and Buchnevich

So let's say Trouba gets 7.5, DeAngelo at 3.5, Buch at 2.75 and Lemieux at 2, that is 15.75. 2.5 million, roughly, is left. Even trading two of Kreider, Vesey and Vlad only gives at most 11.25 million. Barely enough to sign Panarin. Not enough to do anything else. So why would people not want to get another controlable asset in a stacked draft year? Oh yeah, "Beccause it's not how the Rangers do things." A.k.a, no foresight. VERY BAD DEAL!
- tomburton99

Because it would have locked you out from doing anything based on the cap hit from the buyout and they have yet to determine what they are doing with their own players that can be bought out.

ultimately it's just fruitless to think Burton could have a reasonable discussion about this

if the Flyers or Islanders gave up two 2nd rounders for Fox he'd think Fox is amazing
- jimbro83

It’s just funny because when the rangers professional scouting staff pick players that are ranked lower on these sports sites consensus draft rankings then Tom whines that the rangers are reaching and missing out on a bonafide blue chip prospect.

And then if those same sites redraft and have Fox at 9, the site doesn’t know what the hell its doing with the rankings.

Like, are the sites’ rankings good or not??

Well I think you spelled it out yourself, we don’t have the cap room to take on Marleau. Since it’s an over 35 deal, I don’t think there’s any relief from his full 6+ million cap hit from a buyout, and if we acquire him and then try to trade Kreider/Vesey/Vlad to absorb his cap hit, teams will take advantage of our cap hell situation and bend us over in any trade.
- rangerdanger94

That's exactly why Gorton was unable to complete a single trade since acquiring Trouba, with teams a few days later at the Draft, still likely low balling him with trade offers, starting with possibly acquiring the heavily & most recently rumored, Chris Kreider. Those teams know the Rangers need to extend Trouba for one player among others, and are very interested in signing Panarin if becoming officially available on July 1st.

However, Gorton has to have an alternate plan in case Panarin doesn't consider the Rangers as his first option. That plan must include to also extend Kreider, as well as buying out Shatty's contract. Should Panarin want to reunite under J.D., then Smith's contract must also be bought out, unless teams finally will come in as a trade partner for either, in accepting the Rangers expressed willingness to also pick up 50% of their remaining contracts.

ultimately it's just fruitless to think Burton could have a reasonable discussion about this

if the Flyers or Islanders gave up two 2nd rounders for Fox he'd think Fox is amazing
- jimbro83

It’s really ruining the site. On a day after receiving the best draft grade we’ve received in years, we’re debating if the Fox deal was good. I think there’s one person on earth who is being a turd about it. Just one.

The Rangers have 18 million to sign Trouba, DeAngelo, Lemieux and Buchnevich

So let's say Trouba gets 7.5, DeAngelo at 3.5, Buch at 2.75 and Lemieux at 2, that is 15.75. 2.5 million, roughly, is left. Even trading two of Kreider, Vesey and Vlad only gives at most 11.25 million. Barely enough to sign Panarin. Not enough to do anything else. So why would people not want to get another controlable asset in a stacked draft year? Oh yeah, "Beccause it's not how the Rangers do things." A.k.a, no foresight. VERY BAD DEAL!

They all will get more dollars so I think you are a little off

Dont let these short sighted fans bother you. They arent that intelligent. They havent learned anything from the past 25 years that free agents dont work out well in NY.

Yes Panarin is a great player but in reality he is a 30 goal scorer who will be making 11 mil per. We will not be competing for a Cup in the next 3-4 years and our prospects will then be looking for big pay days. Ask Toronto how it feels to be in a cap crunch as they are now?? If Kakko turns out to be that good, he will be looking for Marner type money in 4 years. How will Panarins cap hit look then?? By then we would not have won a cup, so why bother signing him now??

It’s really ruining the site. On a day after receiving the best draft grade we’ve received in years, we’re debating if the Fox deal was good. I think there’s one person on earth who is being a turd about it. Just one.
- Bean_Dip

They all will get more dollars so I think you are a little off

Dont let these short sighted fans bother you. They arent that intelligent. They havent learned anything from the past 25 years that free agents dont work out well in NY.

Yes Panarin is a great player but in reality he is a 30 goal scorer who will be making 11 mil per. We will not be competing for a Cup in the next 3-4 years and our prospects will then be looking for big pay days. Ask Toronto how it feels to be in a cap crunch as they are now?? If Kakko turns out to be that good, he will be looking for Marner type money in 4 years. How will Panarins cap hit look then?? By then we would not have won a cup, so why bother signing him now??
- Brukie

They all will get more dollars so I think you are a little off

Dont let these short sighted fans bother you. They arent that intelligent. They havent learned anything from the past 25 years that free agents dont work out well in NY.

Yes Panarin is a great player but in reality he is a 30 goal scorer who will be making 11 mil per. We will not be competing for a Cup in the next 3-4 years and our prospects will then be looking for big pay days. Ask Toronto how it feels to be in a cap crunch as they are now?? If Kakko turns out to be that good, he will be looking for Marner type money in 4 years. How will Panarins cap hit look then?? By then we would not have won a cup, so why bother signing him now??
- Brukie

I think you missed the point. This debate was Tom asking why the rangers didn’t take marleau off toronto’s books in exchange for a pick. And you literally supported the “short sighted fans that aren’t intelligent’s” argument.

- mdw7413

It really is easy. It's just not worth the time and effort anymore. He obviously just wants to complain about everything. Look at me! Look at me!

Now when I see his avatar, I just scroll past it.

They all will get more dollars so I think you are a little off

Dont let these short sighted fans bother you. They arent that intelligent. They havent learned anything from the past 25 years that free agents dont work out well in NY.

Yes Panarin is a great player but in reality he is a 30 goal scorer who will be making 11 mil per. We will not be competing for a Cup in the next 3-4 years and our prospects will then be looking for big pay days. Ask Toronto how it feels to be in a cap crunch as they are now?? If Kakko turns out to be that good, he will be looking for Marner type money in 4 years. How will Panarins cap hit look then?? By then we would not have won a cup, so why bother signing him now??
- Brukie

Panarin still an 80 plus point player regardless of only 30 goals. I do see your point tho around the contracts in the future

Hi friends. Just back from a visit with my friend Ryan Callahan who unfortunately has had to hang the skates due to numerous injuries received while busting his ass for the Rangers and their fans. But that’s what hockey players do.

Why in Gods name was it necessary for Sather to be at the draft and part of the cadre announcing the Rangers pick. It seems that even with the arrival of JD as team president, and the more than competent Jeff Gorton as GM, they need parental supervision. Hopefully, it was just a goodbye last hoorah.

With regard the possible free agant signing of Paranin. I don’t think the timing is quite right. Although the trade for Trouba which was a no brainer would seem to signal an acceleration of the rebuild, the team is still 3 years away from contending. Committing almost 20 million dollars to him and a 38 year old goalie makes little sense. IMHO.

The accumulation of young talent is certainly a positive path the organization has taken, I feel they should continue the rebuild, they were fun to watch last year, should be a bit better this year.

Play nice in the sandbox y’all.

Hi friends. Just back from a visit with my friend Ryan Callahan who unfortunately has had to hang the skates due to numerous injuries received while busting his ass for the Rangers and their fans. But that’s what hockey players do.

Why in Gods name was it necessary for Sather to be at the draft and part of the cadre announcing the Rangers pick. It seems that even with the arrival of JD as team president, and the more than competent Jeff Gorton as GM, they need parental supervision. Hopefully, it was just a goodbye last hoorah.

With regard the possible free agant signing of Paranin. I don’t think the timing is quite right. Although the trade for Trouba which was a no brainer would seem to signal an acceleration of the rebuild, the team is still 3 years away from contending. Committing almost 20 million dollars to him and a 38 year old goalie makes little sense. IMHO.

The accumulation of young talent is certainly a positive path the organization has taken, I feel they should continue the rebuild, they were fun to watch last year, should be a bit better this year.

Play nice in the sandbox y’all.
- OLDSCHOOL#6

I could be mistaken, but I think the draft was the last event Sather was going to be “involved” in. Now the baton is fully passed on to JD.

I agree with everyone else though, the Adam Fox deal doesnt look bad at all. Two 2nd rounders for a player with his upside is really good. If the scouting reports pan out he will be a steal. We will know in 2 or 3 years time.

Hi friends. Just back from a visit with my friend Ryan Callahan who unfortunately has had to hang the skates due to numerous injuries received while busting his ass for the Rangers and their fans. But that’s what hockey players do.

Why in Gods name was it necessary for Sather to be at the draft and part of the cadre announcing the Rangers pick. It seems that even with the arrival of JD as team president, and the more than competent Jeff Gorton as GM, they need parental supervision. Hopefully, it was just a goodbye last hoorah.

With regard the possible free agant signing of Paranin. I don’t think the timing is quite right. Although the trade for Trouba which was a no brainer would seem to signal an acceleration of the rebuild, the team is still 3 years away from contending. Committing almost 20 million dollars to him and a 38 year old goalie makes little sense. IMHO.

The accumulation of young talent is certainly a positive path the organization has taken, I feel they should continue the rebuild, they were fun to watch last year, should be a bit better this year.

Play nice in the sandbox y’all.
- OLDSCHOOL#6

Disagree about Panarin. Very rare a player of his caliber becomes a UFA. He has only played 4 seasons and missed I think like 6 games. Its like getting a young 20 yr old.