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rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jun 23 @ 10:01 AM ET
Hi friends. Just back from a visit with my friend Ryan Callahan who unfortunately has had to hang the skates due to numerous injuries received while busting his ass for the Rangers and their fans. But that’s what hockey players do.

Why in Gods name was it necessary for Sather to be at the draft and part of the cadre announcing the Rangers pick. It seems that even with the arrival of JD as team president, and the more than competent Jeff Gorton as GM, they need parental supervision. Hopefully, it was just a goodbye last hoorah.

With regard the possible free agant signing of Paranin. I don’t think the timing is quite right. Although the trade for Trouba which was a no brainer would seem to signal an acceleration of the rebuild, the team is still 3 years away from contending. Committing almost 20 million dollars to him and a 38 year old goalie makes little sense. IMHO.

The accumulation of young talent is certainly a positive path the organization has taken, I feel they should continue the rebuild, they were fun to watch last year, should be a bit better this year.

Play nice in the sandbox y’all.

- OLDSCHOOL#6

Staal, Shattenkirk, Smith, and Lundqvist's contracts all expiring at the same time will be glorious in 2 years. Assuming none are bought out.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jun 23 @ 10:03 AM ET
Disagree about Panarin. Very rare a player of his caliber becomes a UFA. He has only played 4 seasons and missed I think like 6 games. Its like getting a young 20 yr old.
- mdw7413


100% agreed

and not to mention, a mentor for our young Russians, absolutely no brainer
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jun 23 @ 10:03 AM ET
100% agreed

and not to mention, a mentor for our young Russians, absolutely no brainer

- jimbro83

Unfortunately after getting brought up to speed about our cap situation I don’t know if it’s realistic
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jun 23 @ 10:05 AM ET
Unfortunately after getting brought up to speed about our cap situation I don’t know if it’s realistic
- rangerdanger94


they can go 10% over the cap until opening night

sign Panarin July 1st, then figure it out

use the 2nd buyout window in August if they must
Brukie
New York Rangers
Location: Putnam, NY
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 23 @ 10:06 AM ET
Panarin still an 80 plus point player regardless of only 30 goals. I do see your point tho around the contracts in the future
- nyrangers2


Like I said, you are short sighted. Signing Panarin now will not get us closer to the Cup. Lets face facts here. The prospects we have drafted in the last 3 years need at least 3 to 4 years to develop. IF they develop into high end talent as we hope, they will need to get paid also. Panarin will sign a 7 yr deal. in 4 yrs he will be 32. Im not saying he will be washed up, but hockey players decline after 30, not all but most. Why would you want to sign a player now to have him help us compete when he is 32? He will be wasting his years while we finish the rebuild. So when the Rangers will have to start paying players like Kakko, who we hope will be as good as Marner, he will be looking for that 11mil per deal too.

The Leafs just gave away a first round pick and a player cause of their Cap hell. They got nothing in return. Do you want to be Toronto??

People say Panarins arent always available, thats true but he is and nobody saw that coming, we dont know who the next "Panarin" will be in a few years.

Lets stay out of cap hell. Lets see what prospects develop and in 3 or 4 years plug the holes with a free agent signing.
B2B76
New York Rangers
Location: "I got mouths to feed", NY
Joined: 08.14.2008

Jun 23 @ 10:07 AM ET
Hi friends. Just back from a visit with my friend Ryan Callahan who unfortunately has had to hang the skates due to numerous injuries received while busting his ass for the Rangers and their fans. But that’s what hockey players do.

Why in Gods name was it necessary for Sather to be at the draft and part of the cadre announcing the Rangers pick. It seems that even with the arrival of JD as team president, and the more than competent Jeff Gorton as GM, they need parental supervision. Hopefully, it was just a goodbye last hoorah.

With regard the possible free agant signing of Paranin. I don’t think the timing is quite right. Although the trade for Trouba which was a no brainer would seem to signal an acceleration of the rebuild, the team is still 3 years away from contending. Committing almost 20 million dollars to him and a 38 year old goalie makes little sense. IMHO.

The accumulation of young talent is certainly a positive path the organization has taken, I feel they should continue the rebuild, they were fun to watch last year, should be a bit better this year.

Play nice in the sandbox y’all.

- OLDSCHOOL#6

Name dropping on us all.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jun 23 @ 10:10 AM ET
Like I said, you are short sighted. Signing Panarin now will not get us closer to the Cup. Lets face facts here. The prospects we have drafted in the last 3 years need at least 3 to 4 years to develop. IF they develop into high end talent as we hope, they will need to get paid also. Panarin will sign a 7 yr deal. in 4 yrs he will be 32. Im not saying he will be washed up, but hockey players decline after 30, not all but most. Why would you want to sign a player now to have him help us compete when he is 32? He will be wasting his years while we finish the rebuild. So when the Rangers will have to start paying players like Kakko, who we hope will be as good as Marner, he will be looking for that 11mil per deal too.

The Leafs just gave away a first round pick and a player cause of their Cap hell. They got nothing in return. Do you want to be Toronto??

People say Panarins arent always available, thats true but he is and nobody saw that coming, we dont know who the next "Panarin" will be in a few years.

Lets stay out of cap hell. Lets see what prospects develop and in 3 or 4 years plug the holes with a free agent signing.

- Brukie


in three years, the cap is expected to explode. There is talk of a new TV deal by then that will blow the old one away.

sign Panarin now, he's pretty much a 23 year old in terms of NHL miles on him
B2B76
New York Rangers
Location: "I got mouths to feed", NY
Joined: 08.14.2008

Jun 23 @ 10:10 AM ET
they can go 10% over the cap until opening night

sign Panarin July 1st, then figure it out

use the 2nd buyout window in August if they must

- jimbro83

I understand the theory that this could be short sighted but for a player like Panarin I would go for it and we can work it out, like the Beatles said ya know bruh
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jun 23 @ 10:11 AM ET
they can go 10% over the cap until opening night

sign Panarin July 1st, then figure it out

use the 2nd buyout window in August if they must

- jimbro83

Where is the money? Need buyouts and trades. Too complicated!
Brukie
New York Rangers
Location: Putnam, NY
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 23 @ 10:11 AM ET
they can go 10% over the cap until opening night

sign Panarin July 1st, then figure it out

use the 2nd buyout window in August if they must

- jimbro83


Ask Toronto how that is working out for them!!!


Stop being so enamored over these free agents! JT was the best free agent to hit the market and Toronto is definitely not any closer to winning the Cup. He has made their payroll hell and has handcuffed the franchise. Its not his fault of course, it was Dubas.
OLDSCHOOL#6
New York Rangers
Joined: 10.14.2007

Jun 23 @ 10:11 AM ET
Name dropping on us all.

- B2B76


Ah good ole hickeybuzz, glad to see nothing changes!

Quoting the incomparable Paul Harvey, “good day”.
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Jun 23 @ 10:12 AM ET
Name dropping on us all.

- B2B76

I know a retired Swedish superstar...
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jun 23 @ 10:13 AM ET
Like I said, you are short sighted. Signing Panarin now will not get us closer to the Cup. Lets face facts here. The prospects we have drafted in the last 3 years need at least 3 to 4 years to develop. IF they develop into high end talent as we hope, they will need to get paid also. Panarin will sign a 7 yr deal. in 4 yrs he will be 32. Im not saying he will be washed up, but hockey players decline after 30, not all but most. Why would you want to sign a player now to have him help us compete when he is 32? He will be wasting his years while we finish the rebuild. So when the Rangers will have to start paying players like Kakko, who we hope will be as good as Marner, he will be looking for that 11mil per deal too.

The Leafs just gave away a first round pick and a player cause of their Cap hell. They got nothing in return. Do you want to be Toronto??

People say Panarins arent always available, thats true but he is and nobody saw that coming, we dont know who the next "Panarin" will be in a few years.

Lets stay out of cap hell. Lets see what prospects develop and in 3 or 4 years plug the holes with a free agent signing.

- Brukie

I don’t think 32 is necessarily too old of an age for a key piece to help us contend. People obsess over having players in their early to mid 20s but all these teams that make cup runs have veterans in their 30s.

Bruins keep contending with Marchand, Bergeron, Kreijci, Chara. Sharks keep contending with Thornton, Pavelski, Burns, Vlasic. We had Richards and MSL when we made the finals in 2014.
B2B76
New York Rangers
Location: "I got mouths to feed", NY
Joined: 08.14.2008

Jun 23 @ 10:14 AM ET

Ah good ole hickeybuzz, glad to see nothing changes!

Quoting the incomparable Paul Harvey, “good day”.

- OLDSCHOOL#6

Love Ya OS
Brukie
New York Rangers
Location: Putnam, NY
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 23 @ 10:15 AM ET
in three years, the cap is expected to explode. There is talk of a new TV deal by then that will blow the old one away.

sign Panarin now, he's pretty much a 23 year old in terms of NHL miles on him

- jimbro83



Just like the cap was suppose to be 83mil and now its suppose to be lower. Dont count on anything.

How you can say he is a 23 yo is pretty funny. Thats alsmot 5 years off his age. He is going to be 28. Im sorry I cant agree with you on that.
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Jun 23 @ 10:16 AM ET
Wouldn’t taking Marleau pretty much eliminate us from the Panarin sweepstakes?
- rangerdanger94


Sorry I’m bit slow on the reply. Trying to get all the yard work done this weekend. I’m basically trying to cut the grass to the dirt so when we are sizzling next weekend it won’t need cutting.

Anyway, I doubt if marleau gets bought out, he’d want a contract much over the league minimum. Probably knows no one will give it to him and he’d already be making money from the buyout. I don’t see it swinging either way on whether we got Panarin or not.

I hate that I feel this way, but I think we are in trouble in our efforts to get Panarin. The cap coming that low hurts a lot. We either need to get super aggressive clearing cap right now, or just accept that we aren’t getting him and make other plans. I’m not even sure at this point if targeting a W Karlsson or Aho is realistic in the current situation.
B2B76
New York Rangers
Location: "I got mouths to feed", NY
Joined: 08.14.2008

Jun 23 @ 10:16 AM ET
I know a retired Swedish superstar...
- 21peter

I met Scott Lachance & Marty McInnis once in the Massepequa mall, true story
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Jun 23 @ 10:17 AM ET
I met Scott Lachance & Marty McInnis once in the Massepequa mall, true story
- B2B76

pics?
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jun 23 @ 10:17 AM ET
Ask Toronto how that is working out for them!!!


Stop being so enamored over these free agents! JT was the best free agent to hit the market and Toronto is definitely not any closer to winning the Cup. He has made their payroll hell and has handcuffed the franchise. Its not his fault of course, it was Dubas.

- Brukie

With four contracts expiring in two years, how is that creating cap hell. The rebuild was accelerated with the trade for Trouba, addition of Fox via trade and drafting of Kakko. JD knows exactly what he would get in Panarin and said he would be smart with signings. If they do add Panarin, I trust JD’s judgment in doing so.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jun 23 @ 10:18 AM ET
Ask Toronto how that is working out for them!!!


Stop being so enamored over these free agents! JT was the best free agent to hit the market and Toronto is definitely not any closer to winning the Cup. He has made their payroll hell and has handcuffed the franchise. Its not his fault of course, it was Dubas.

- Brukie

I think even with the leafs cap struggles right now, every one of us would rather have their forwards than ours. JT, Marner, Matthews, Nylander, Kadri...no wonder they’re in cap hell, they have the deepest forward pool in the league.

That’s a good problem to have.
B2B76
New York Rangers
Location: "I got mouths to feed", NY
Joined: 08.14.2008

Jun 23 @ 10:21 AM ET
pics?
- 21peter

1995 /96 I think it was, they were casually strolling around Sears. Here I am a die hard Ranger fan seemingly the only one recognizing them.
Brukie
New York Rangers
Location: Putnam, NY
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 23 @ 10:24 AM ET
I don’t think 32 is necessarily too old of an age for a key piece to help us contend. People obsess over having players in their early to mid 20s but all these teams that make cup runs have veterans in their 30s.

Bruins keep contending with Marchand, Bergeron, Kreijci, Chara. Sharks keep contending with Thornton, Pavelski, Burns, Vlasic. We had Richards and MSL when we made the finals in 2014.

- rangerdanger94


You are completely right. But These players have been together for years. They came up and gelled together while adding younger players as they went along. They didnt add a veteran piece until they were ready to compete. St Louis added ROR, who they stole from the Sabres!!

We just stole Trouba from the Jets!!

The Devils stole PK from the Preds!!

There will always be something to do when the time comes.

What Im saying is let our prospects develop. In 3 or 4 years when our prospects have a few years and we know what we have, then we sign the free agents who will help us then. That free agent we sig Panarin will not help us do anything in the next few years so why bother signing him and wasting the cap space.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jun 23 @ 10:26 AM ET
You are completely right. But These players have been together for years. They came up and gelled together while adding younger players as they went along. They didnt add a veteran piece until they were ready to compete. St Louis added ROR, who they stole from the Sabres!!

We just stole Trouba from the Jets!!

The Devils stole PK from the Preds!!

There will always be something to do when the time comes.

What Im saying is let our prospects develop. In 3 or 4 years when our prospects have a few years and we know what we have, then we sign the free agents who will help us then. That free agent we sig Panarin will not help us do anything in the next few years so why bother signing him and wasting the cap space.

- Brukie


so when it's time to pay Kakko and Kravtov 11 million, you then want to go out and sign a free agent for 11 million at the same time?

wouldn't it be a great time to sign an 11 million dollar guy while those two are on entry level contracts?
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jun 23 @ 10:29 AM ET
Just like the cap was suppose to be 83mil and now its suppose to be lower. Dont count on anything.

How you can say he is a 23 yo is pretty funny. Thats alsmot 5 years off his age. He is going to be 28. Im sorry I cant agree with you on that.

- Brukie


Panarin has played 4 NHL seasons

he's a baby, he's got the NHL MILEAGE of a 23 year old
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Jun 23 @ 10:30 AM ET
You are completely right. But These players have been together for years. They came up and gelled together while adding younger players as they went along. They didnt add a veteran piece until they were ready to compete. St Louis added ROR, who they stole from the Sabres!!

We just stole Trouba from the Jets!!

The Devils stole PK from the Preds!!

There will always be something to do when the time comes.

What Im saying is let our prospects develop. In 3 or 4 years when our prospects have a few years and we know what we have, then we sign the free agents who will help us then. That free agent we sig Panarin will not help us do anything in the next few years so why bother signing him and wasting the cap space.

- Brukie


I think the idea is he helps you in 2-3 years. One thing I agree 100% with Jimbro on is that we are probably going to have to win while most of our guys are cheap. If Kakko and Kravtsov are the real deal, they are going to make serious money in 3 years. You want to load up now while they are on their ELCs.

Otherwise I’m with you on aligning guys with our guys growing up. It’s why I’ve been on the Marner/Point bandwagon. I think that ship has sailed though
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