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Brandon Prust
@BrandonPrust8

Marner will get offer sheet for 13 mill for sure. But just to show everyone he’s worth that. Then he will turn it down and sign for same as Matthews and be the good guy that took less to stay in Toronto! He is worth 13 mill tho ppl. Most dynamic player in the world
- jimbro83

Word earlier was that 3 teams were expected to offer sheet Marner, along with a possible fourth team to join the hunt.
I can't see another team willing to also have to part with 4 First Rounders to sign him via an offer sheet. It could end up being a high rewarding or franchise setting back move for that potential suitor.

Word earlier was that 3 teams were expected to offer sheet Marner, along with a possible fourth team to join the hunt.
I can't see another team willing to also have to part with 4 First Rounders to sign him via an offer sheet. It could end up being a high rewarding or franchise setting back move for that potential suitor.
- RangerSaver

welp I mean you sign him with the expectation that you are going to pick very late in the first round every year

personally I think he's worth it, he only just turned 22 years old, you are signing him for 7 years, until he's 29. He won't see a single day of 30 years old on that contract, right through his prime.

Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger

As expected the outside interest in Mitch Marner has been brisk with the interview period now open. Sources say multiple teams have reached out. Meanwhile, daily discussions between agent Darren Ferris and Leafs GM, Kyle Dubas continue.

Word earlier was that 3 teams were expected to offer sheet Marner, along with a possible fourth team to join the hunt.
I can't see another team willing to also have to part with 4 First Rounders to sign him via an offer sheet. It could end up being a high rewarding or franchise setting back move for that potential suitor.
- RangerSaver

If that's true, and the number is around $13 a year, the teams that can do this are teams that have or can make $13 mil in space and have their own 1st round draft pick 4 out of the next 5 years. That's gotta narrow the list down quite a bit.

welp I mean you sign him with the expectation that you are going to pick very late in the first round every year

personally I think he's worth it, he only just turned 22 years old, you are signing him for 7 years, until he's 29. He won't see a single day of 30 years old on that contract, right through his prime.
- jimbro83

I agree, but those contending teams expecting to select very low in the 1st Round for a number of consecutive seasons, could likely be strapped for cap space to fill every roster hole, should Marner alone take up a minimum of 15% of their cap, pending succeeding years' future cap ceilings.

If that's true, and the number is around $13 a year, the teams that can do this are teams that have or can make $13 mil in space and have their own 1st round draft pick 4 out of the next 5 years. That's gotta narrow the list down quite a bit.
- smellmyfinger

if it were the Rangers, that would give them about 4 million in space available to sign Trouba, DeAngelo, Buchnevich and Lemieux

they'd have to clean house

if it were the Rangers, that would give them about 4 million in space available to sign Trouba, DeAngelo, Buchnevich and Lemieux

they'd have to clean house
- jimbro83

That $1.5 mil difference between the $83 mil projected cap and $81.5 actual cap looks even bigger now.

I agree, but those contending teams expecting to select very low in the 1st Round for a number of consecutive seasons, could likely be strapped for cap space to fill every roster hole, should Marner alone take up a minimum of 15% of their cap, pending succeeding years' future cap ceilings.
- RangerSaver

I do believe the cap is going up signficantly after the Seattle team begins play, so in terms of the Rangers, if they can just tread water with a Marner or Panarin contract the next two years, while at the same time these young guys are on entry level deals, and then Lundqvist contract is over Rangers will be in good shape

11-13 mil a year isn't going to seem as crazy as it does now after 2021

I do believe the cap is going up signficantly after the Seattle team begins play, so in terms of the Rangers, if they can just tread water with a Marner or Panarin contract the next two years, while at the same time these young guys are on entry level deals, and then Lundqvist contract is over Rangers will be in good shape

11-13 mil a year isn't going to seem as crazy as it does now after 2021
- jimbro83

Still seems insane to me to pay a wing that much, and yes I'm very aware that the Devils are likely to do that with Hall soon.

When I think of handing out 10+ mil for max term I think of your #1C or a top pairing D. Anyone know if a team offer sheets Marner to a 7 year $13m contract with a NMC, does Toronto also have to include the NMC or just match the term and dollars? Because in that scenario if I'm Toronto, I match then put Marner on the market if I don't have to include the NMC.

Still seems insane to me to pay a wing that much, and yes I'm very aware that the Devils are likely to do that with Hall soon.

When I think of handing out 10+ mil for max term I think of your #1C or a top pairing D. Anyone know if a team offer sheets Marner to a 7 year $13m contract with a NMC, does Toronto also have to include the NMC or just match the term and dollars? Because in that scenario if I'm Toronto, I match then put Marner on the market if I don't have to include the NMC.
- smellmyfinger

I am pretty sure 22 year olds aren't eligible for NMC's yet, I think an NMC would only start after he is 25

if it were the Rangers, that would give them about 4 million in space available to sign Trouba, DeAngelo, Buchnevich and Lemieux

they'd have to clean house
- jimbro83

Or you know just negotiate a trade with them. I'd send them Buch, ADA, and 2 1sts. Then maybe you can just dump Names and buy out Smith to get the rest under contract.

if it were the Rangers, that would give them about 4 million in space available to sign Trouba, DeAngelo, Buchnevich and Lemieux

they'd have to clean house
- jimbro83

That's also why Panarin is also not currently feasible cap wise for the Rangers, without the contracts of both Shatty and Smith relieved in part through either buyouts, or a trade in picking up 50% of their remaining contracts.

With word yesterday of Gorton now only interested in free agents for up to a two years term, that's likely due to him being unable to trade both of those d'men, and possibly waiting to use the second buyout window on them to create additional cap space if still necessary.

I am pretty sure 22 year olds aren't eligible for NMC's yet, I think an NMC would only start after he is 25
- jimbro83

Interesting, then I definitely match if I'm Toronto that way I control my return on Marner rather than accept what will likely be 4 picks in the late 20's at best.

That's also why Panarin is also not currently feasible cap wise for the Rangers, without the contracts of both Shatty and Smith relieved in part through either buyouts, or a trade in picking up 50% of their remaining contracts.

With word yesterday of Gorton now only interested in free agents for up to a two years term, that's likely due to him being unable to trade both of those d'men, and possibly waiting to use the second buyout window on them to create additional cap space if still necessary.
- RangerSaver

they have other ways of making cap room though, they could get rid of a few of the guys that are pending UFA's rather easily I think (Nam, Vesey, Strome) and they could go 10% over the cap until opening night

I say sign Panarin, then worry about it all later

Interesting, then I definitely match if I'm Toronto that way I control my return on Marner rather than accept what will likely be 4 picks in the late 20's at best.
- smellmyfinger

First line, has to be either 7 seasons or age 27 before they can get a NMC

First line, has to be either 7 seasons or age 27 before they can get a NMC
- eichiefs9

yeah, so Marner gets it at 25

yeah, so Marner gets it at 25
- jimbro83

26...no? He's a May birthday and he's got four more seasons to go. He just turned 22.

26...no? He's a May birthday and he's got four more seasons to go. He just turned 22.
- eichiefs9

oh yeah, good call

Sam Stern
@aqualunggg

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That's also why Panarin is also not currently feasible cap wise for the Rangers, without the contracts of both Shatty and Smith relieved in part through either buyouts, or a trade in picking up 50% of their remaining contracts.

With word yesterday of Gorton now only interested in free agents for up to a two years term, that's likely due to him being unable to trade both of those d'men, and possibly waiting to use the second buyout window on them to create additional cap space if still necessary.
- RangerSaver

Maybe he already knows Panarin isn't signing here so he's looking elsewhere.

Chris Johnston
@reporterchris
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Roberto Luongo is indeed retiring with three years remaining on his contract, as opposed to going on LTIR. There will be cap recapture penalties for both #FlaPanthers and #canucks as a result.

Chris Johnston
@reporterchris
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Roberto Luongo is indeed retiring with three years remaining on his contract, as opposed to going on LTIR. There will be cap recapture penalties for both #FlaPanthers and #canucks as a result.
- jimbro83

ahhhahahah

Chris Johnston
@reporterchris
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Roberto Luongo is indeed retiring with three years remaining on his contract, as opposed to going on LTIR. There will be cap recapture penalties for both #FlaPanthers and #canucks as a result.
- jimbro83

Maybe he already knows Panarin isn't signing here so he's looking elsewhere.
- Fenrir

If the bulk of the rumors are true, Panarin will go to Florida, Duchene to Nashville. After that the UFA forward talent drops to Pavelski who is 34. Outside of Panarin and Duchene a GM would have to be insane to hand out a long term deal to any of the remaining UFA forwards. I'd agree with Gorton, two year max on any of the rest.