I remember you saying that which makes sense.

I was told that Nashville wasn't interested in that but countered with an offer with them retaining $3 million. Botts thought it was too high.

This coming from a friend of mine who rarely gets info but when he does its pretty spot on
- Stripes77

People pay to get wet, seems the Sabres haven't figured that out yet.

Yeah I understand that But man it just hurts that the Sabres didn’t really get better at the draft.

Essentially the preds took the best offer and moved on.
- Sabretooth9

I am surprised they used 31

I thought for sure that pick was being moved.

Makes me really look at the roster and the prospect cupboard and really see how bad Murray screwed this team up.

No trade able prospects and other than Olofsson no real offensive threats on their way.

I think Botts is looking long term while looking at creative ways to improve the team short term.

For the love of god please call Vegas ASAP.

That's how I see it
- Stripes77

I missed the draft weekend while camping. Although it doesn't look like I missed much.

Whelp

People pay to get wet, seems the Sabres haven't figured that out yet.
- SABRES 89

I don't think the Sabres think they're in a place where it's worth getting wet for.

At least that's how I see it.

Botts is going to try to duct tape this roster again this season (Sheary and Skinner type deals) to be better than last year while stocking the prospect cupboard.

Believe me it's frustrating to see, but they really don't have much to work with.

I don't think the Sabres think they're in a place where it's worth getting wet for.

At least that's how I see it.

Botts is going to try to duct tape this roster again this season to be better than last year while stocking the prospect cupboard.

Believe me it's frustrating to see, but they really don't have much to work with.
- Stripes77

Who will be this year's Pouliot?

Who will be this year's Pouliot?
- jcragcrumple

I am thinking Sheary and Skinner type deals

Haula/Eakin/Miller from Vegas perhaps

Yeah I understand that But man it just hurts that the Sabres didn’t really get better at the draft.

Essentially the preds took the best offer and moved on.
- Sabretooth9

They took the only offer that had them not retaining cap

Botts did make a few calls, he didn't want the full $9 million cap hit from what I was told.

But the price to get him at $6 million was too high for him I guess (don't know what that price was)
- Stripes77

That's just silly. NJ gave up nothing a value. Disappointed botts didnt come through if he was talking to the Preds.

Landing PK for a package similar to the NJ one would have made me completely change my feelings about botts.

I am thinking Sheary and Skinner type deals

Haula/Eakin/Miller from Vegas perhaps
- Stripes77

Gotta do something. Rolling into the season with

Eichel
Mitts
Erod
Slowbotka/Larry

Down the middle? Yeesh. They may as well send out a #suffering letter to the season ticket holders.

He wanted more in the deal if we took the whole cap hit, he wanted Eeli Tolvanen included.
- SABRES 89

If that's true, botts is ridiculous to think he would have got a prospect of that quality.

Tolvanen is their best prospect.

I don't think the Sabres think they're in a place where it's worth getting wet for.

At least that's how I see it.

Botts is going to try to duct tape this roster again this season to be better than last year while stocking the prospect cupboard.

Believe me it's frustrating to see, but they really don't have much to work with.
- Stripes77

I put as much of that on Botts now as I do on Murray. Separating the Skinner/ROR deals, (not likely to repeat so I'll call them outliers for now) he's got 3 major-ish deals to his name and they all fit the same description.

He got the best player in each deal but each one was poor value in terms of what they may have gave or what they got back. He's spent assets surprisingly inefficiently for returns that were only marginally better than who/what they replaced.

In other words, a team with a bold GM and functioning analytics department probably finds similar impact for half the cost.

I am thinking Sheary and Skinner type deals

Haula/Eakin/Miller from Vegas perhaps
- Stripes77

I’m hoping it’s Sam Bennett honestly.

He plays with an edge, something this team needs desperately. I also feel a change will do him good. He’s stuck in a numbers game with Calgary.

I am thinking Sheary and Skinner type deals

Haula/Eakin/Miller from Vegas perhaps
- Stripes77

Subban was this years Skinner deal.

I don't think the Sabres think they're in a place where it's worth getting wet for.

At least that's how I see it.

Botts is going to try to duct tape this roster again this season (Sheary and Skinner type deals) to be better than last year while stocking the prospect cupboard.

Believe me it's frustrating to see, but they really don't have much to work with.
- Stripes77

He'll use their cap space. Still a few teams that need cap relief and maybe the lack of space limits the $ for some 2nd tier UFA's.

I put as much of that on Botts now as I do on Murray. Separating the Skinner/ROR deals, (not likely to repeat so I'll call them outliers for now) he's got 3 major-ish deals to his name and they all fit the same description.

He got the best player in each deal but each one was poor value in terms of what they may have gave or what they got back. He's spent assets surprisingly inefficiently for returns that were only marginally better than who/what they replaced.

In other words, a team with a bold GM and functioning analytics department probably finds similar impact for half the cost.
- Sabresfan-365

Thank you. It's time to stop blaming Murray. Botts has made some bad moves.

He has now had 3 drafts. Prospect pool looks just as bare as it did with murray.

Subban was this years Skinner deal.
- Mentalorgasm5

He's really not that good, it's reputation vs actual production...today's production, not 16 months ago.

I put as much of that on Botts now as I do on Murray. Separating the Skinner/ROR deals, (not likely to repeat so I'll call them outliers for now) he's got 3 major-ish deals to his name and they all fit the same description.

He got the best player in each deal but each one was poor value in terms of what they may have gave or what they got back. He's spent assets surprisingly inefficiently for returns that were only marginally better than who/what they replaced.

In other words, a team with a bold GM and functioning analytics department probably finds similar impact for half the cost.
- Sabresfan-365

I think he's a little shell shocked after the ROR deal. He's acting like it anyway

Subban was this years Skinner deal.
- Mentalorgasm5

9 mil was a tough nut though.

He wasn’t the only GM asking for something extra to take on the full hit. NJ was the only one not asking for extra.

He'll use their cap space. Still a few teams that need cap relief and maybe the lack of space limits the $ for some 2nd tier UFA's.
- Lunaion

That is why I said for the love of god call Vegas!

Thank you. It's time to stop blaming Murray. Botts has made some bad moves.

He has now had 3 drafts. Prospect pool looks just as bare as it did with murray.
- Mentalorgasm5

That's laughable.

9 mil was a tough nut though.

He wasn’t the only GM asking for something extra to take on the full hit. NJ was the only one not asking for extra.
- dadeadhead

Is it? It would be one thing if we were tight with cap space, we have the room.

That is why I said for the love of god call Vegas!
- Stripes77

I'd be shocked if he hasn't.

I think he's a little shell shocked after the ROR deal. He's acting like it anyway
- jcragcrumple

I think he's been timid from day one. He appears to defer a lot to his pro scouts, assistants etc. There's a difference between delegating and avoiding, I think he's doing the latter.

It's like he forgets he's in charge or something. The guy made a ton of shrewd smart move that put pittsburgh over the top that went against the grain at the time. Now he's in the spotlight and it's been fence riding the whole way.

Thank you. It's time to stop blaming Murray. Botts has made some bad moves.

He has now had 3 drafts. Prospect pool looks just as bare as it did with murray.
- Mentalorgasm5

I disagree

His first 2 1st round draft picks ended up in the NHL pretty much right away (Mitts after a season at Minnesota and Dahlin obviously)

So that doesn't help the prospect pool much.

This was his 3rd draft in 2 and a half years.

To think 3rd round picks from 2 years ago would be ready for the NHL now is a bit of a stretch.

The only good pick that Murray made (other than the ones any monkey could have made) is Olofsson...

From the sound of it his last 2 drafts have been really good and everyone is progressing nicely

That's laughable.
- Lunaion

Please enlighten me how all these new bright prospects.

Team forward ranks looks horrid, and the D isnt that much brighter.