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golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jun 23 @ 5:53 PM ET
Thx carol. Imo Subban has negative value at a $9MM cap hit. No idea what Jersey was thinking. Subban is declining rapidly. Not sure how you think he is a better acquisition than Miller. Canucks likely overpaid a bit but I’m not stressed about it.




PLAYOFFS 😍❤️😍❤️🎈

- CanuckDon

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...mbers-p-k-subban-decline/


Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 23 @ 5:53 PM ET
Thx carol. Imo Subban has negative value at a $9MM cap hit. No idea what Jersey was thinking. Subban is declining rapidly. Not sure how you think he is a better acquisition than Miller. Canucks likely overpaid a bit but I’m not stressed about it.




PLAYOFFS 😍❤️😍❤️🎈

- CanuckDon


If Subban hit the open market, he probably gets at least that money anyway though so I'd say NJ paid about the right price. I personally would stay away as well, but I do think it's a bit hypocritical if any fans think Subban's contract is bad but are okay with signing Myers to a big contract.

Myers at 6-6.5M is just as brutal.
ABC123
Joined: 07.23.2006

Jun 23 @ 5:53 PM ET
Aidan McDonough does meet the criteria for "overage" status. The long time definition for "overage" is a player who at the beginning of a season turns 20 in that car lender year, and is playing junior hockey. In fact McDonough is a graduating junior hockey player.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jun 23 @ 5:53 PM ET
Yzerman was in on Miller as well. Sure there were other teams
- CanuckDon

I guess none of them were offering a 1st round pick to get a team out from a cap crunch.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Jun 23 @ 5:54 PM ET
Miller is a master of pretty but broken plays. It starts out well, but ends up with a turnover.

I just don't think he fit in with Tampa's system or coach. I expect he will perform better in Vancouver, but that 1st round pick will hang over him unless he pots 50 goals.

- GalacticStone

lol it's a conditional first rounder outside of the lottery there champ.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jun 23 @ 5:56 PM ET
lol it's a conditional first rounder outside of the lottery there champ.
- LordHumungous

It's still a 1st round pick '20 or '21. I know you are not this stupid.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jun 23 @ 5:56 PM ET
lol it's a conditional first rounder outside of the lottery there champ.
- LordHumungous


No, it's a 1st round pick. If we're a lottery team next year then it slides to 2021 and is theirs regardless of where we finish.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 23 @ 5:58 PM ET
Miller is a master of pretty but broken plays. It starts out well, but ends up with a turnover.

I just don't think he fit in with Tampa's system or coach. I expect he will perform better in Vancouver, but that 1st round pick will hang over him unless he pots 50 goals.

- GalacticStone

Ummmm ok
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Jun 23 @ 5:58 PM ET
lol it's a conditional first rounder outside of the lottery there champ.
- LordHumungous


..and his claim that 50 goals is needed for us to justify the 1st. WTF?


A 50 goal scorer for 3RD and conditional 1st. Imagine that. More of that Toronto logic.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 23 @ 5:58 PM ET
Forgive me if its been posted already:
JT Miller has played 61 career playoff games. 3 goals.

- storm88

Asssits don’t count?
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jun 23 @ 5:59 PM ET
Thx carol. Imo Subban has negative value at a $9MM cap hit. No idea what Jersey was thinking. Subban is declining rapidly. Not sure how you think he is a better acquisition than Miller. Canucks likely overpaid a bit but I’m not stressed about it.




PLAYOFFS 😍❤️😍❤️🎈

- CanuckDon

Does this bode well for the Canucks that you and I have disagreed for so long and they were poop and now we are agreeing on things so Canucks will get better?
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jun 23 @ 6:00 PM ET
If Subban hit the open market, he probably gets at least that money anyway though so I'd say NJ paid about the right price. I personally would stay away as well, but I do think it's a bit hypocritical if any fans think Subban's contract is bad but are okay with signing Myers to a big contract.

Myers at 6-6.5M is just as brutal.

- Nucker101


I think Subban's deal is a bit of a bargain for the next 3 seasons. The guy is still a top defender in this league and his impact on our team would be far, far greater than Miller's.

Edler-Subban
QH-Tanev

Pretty damn solid top 4.
pmg2008
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.27.2008

Jun 23 @ 6:01 PM ET
Blah blah blah

Canucks should offer sheet Gusev
Bettmanhatesus
Joined: 08.10.2016

Jun 23 @ 6:04 PM ET
lol it's a conditional first rounder outside of the lottery there champ.
- LordHumungous

Here is what will happen, if miller doesn't score in the first 10 games the fans/hb will turn on him like louie and we will never hear the end of it. I have to go to work tomorrow and listen to whiners there to, I cant get away from it
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jun 23 @ 6:05 PM ET
Thanks Carol! Hope the draft was fun for you.

Not a fan of the trade at all. I think if you put up two polls – who likes the trade, who likes Miller – it'd be pretty telling. No one on the trade, most people would like Miller. Such is though.... #lottowin2020 #playoffs2021

- NewYorkNuck

This for sure. Price was too high. But lookkng forward to having a top6 with 2 decent lines. I wonder if he will target any other forwards? Connolly is an interesting case, young and a late bloomer
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 23 @ 6:05 PM ET
If Subban hit the open market, he probably gets at least that money anyway though so I'd say NJ paid about the right price. I personally would stay away as well, but I do think it's a bit hypocritical if any fans think Subban's contract is bad but are okay with signing Myers to a big contract.

Myers at 6-6.5M is just as brutal.

- Nucker101

I wouldn’t offer a 3rd for Subban. Agreed on Myers, that’s some scary sh!t. But I think it’s inevitable. When players want to come home the Canucks feel obligated to bring them back. Myers, Benn and Barrie will all be on the team in two years
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jun 23 @ 6:05 PM ET
Asssits don’t count?
- CanuckDon

26 points in 61 games.

In NY he played 17 minutes a game and had 58 points two seasons in a row. Last season 14 minutes 47 points. Maybe he gets 19 minutes a game here on the first line with Petey and scores 70?
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 23 @ 6:05 PM ET
I guess none of them were offering a 1st round pick to get a team out from a cap crunch.
- Marwood

Probably not. Tampa would have taken the highest offer
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 23 @ 6:06 PM ET
..and his claim that 50 goals is needed for us to justify the 1st. WTF?


A 50 goal scorer for 3RD and conditional 1st. Imagine that. More of that Toronto logic.

- boonerbuck

I flagged the parasite. All good
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jun 23 @ 6:06 PM ET
I wouldn’t offer a 3rd for Subban. Agreed on Myers, that’s some scary sh!t. But I think it’s inevitable. When players want to come home the Canucks feel obligated to bring them back. Myers, Benn and Barrie will all be on the team in two years
- CanuckDon

Benn this season. Barrie in free Agency next season.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 23 @ 6:07 PM ET
Does this bode well for the Canucks that you and I have disagreed for so long and they were poop and now we are agreeing on things so Canucks will get better?
- manvanfan

I feel uneasy. Very very uneasy
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 23 @ 6:08 PM ET
I wouldn’t offer a 3rd for Subban. Agreed on Myers, that’s some scary sh!t. But I think it’s inevitable. When players want to come home the Canucks feel obligated to bring them back. Myers, Benn and Barrie will all be on the team in two years
- CanuckDon


I’m cool with Barrie as long as it’s not a ridiculous contract

Benn should be an affordable stopgap and allow Vantel to sleep easy

I’m praying that some other desperate team outbids Jim for Myers but it does seem inevitable
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 23 @ 6:09 PM ET
I feel uneasy. Very very uneasy
- CanuckDon


I’m glad you 2 are friends now
Bettmanhatesus
Joined: 08.10.2016

Jun 23 @ 6:09 PM ET
This for sure. Price was too high. But lookkng forward to having a top6 with 2 decent lines. I wonder if he will target any other forwards? Connolly is an interesting case, young and a late bloomer
- neem55

prince George guy, good friend of mine coached him in minor hockey and they talk lots to this day
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jun 23 @ 6:09 PM ET
I feel uneasy. Very very uneasy
- CanuckDon

That's the blood rushing to your brain knowing you are finally making the correct choices. Good things are now going to come to you.
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