He might want to see what others teams are out there for him. May see himself in a better situation on another team?
- walshyleafsfan

I bet Marner would sign an offer sheet and if it's like 12 million by 7. I honestly have a hard time saying yes to that. It would hurt so much to see a player like that walk away but...gah... you'd be removing Nylander/Kadri and likely not resigning Rielly to any type of deal.

I also heard Marner camp was willing to sign 9.5 last year.

This is starting to take shape to be uglier than Nylander.
- Aaron_85

9.5 x what tho?

if its 9.5 x 5 ..then I can see why that wasnt signed...assuming its true.
thats about what he should get now max

9.5 x what tho?

if its 9.5 x 5 ..then I can see why that wasnt signed...assuming its true.
thats about what he should get now max
- senstroll

by 8. Leafs apparently weren't willing to go that high last off season.

I bet Marner would sign an offer sheet and if it's like 12 million by 7. I honestly have a hard time saying yes to that. It would hurt so much to see a player like that walk away but...gah... you'd be removing Nylander/Kadri and likely not resigning Rielly to any type of deal.
- Aaron_85

Yeah I could see him signing an offer sheet.

If he meets with teams, i think the Leafs should look at trades with the teams of Mitch's choice. That team probably doesn't want to give up 4 picks and 12m cap hit. Might be an opportunity to get a player or two back with a 1st (or 2)

This is a bad argument.

It depends on who is making the picks.

The Leafs, since 2012, have drafted Rielly, Gauthier, Nylander, Marner, Matthews, Liljegren and Sandin. Whether it's an early 1st or a late 1st, all those guys are going to be populating the Leafs lineup with the most recent ones on cheap contracts.

Kapanen was a 22nd overall pick. Gardiner was a 17th overall pick.

The Leafs had to do it but the 1st round pick is still a hefty price and always has value if you know how to use them properly.

Considering the Leafs are going to need ELC to fill the lineup going forward, 1st round picks are the best way to get that goal accomplished and should really avoid trading them. I'm not sure even moving a 1st for Muzzin was a good idea.
- JohnFergusonJr

You can say you disagree with a point, but saying it is a bad argument, infers that you are speaking from facts - while it is just your opinion. I did do a little research in fact, I looked at every pick from #20 to the end of the first round in every draft from 1993 to 2013 - and the stats were consistent with about 3 to 5 picks being very good players in the NHL. Lots of crap as stated.

You can say you disagree with a point, but saying it is a bad argument, infers that you are speaking from facts - while it is just your opinion. I did do a little research in fact, I looked at every pick from #20 to the end of the first round in every draft from 1993 to 2013 - and the stats were consistent with 3 to 5 picks being very good players in the NHL. Lots of crap as stated.
- winsix

You left that part out. That part is important and hurts your argument

Yeah I could see him signing an offer sheet.

If he meets with teams, i think the Leafs should look at trades with the teams of Mitch's choice. That team probably doesn't want to give up 4 picks and 12m cap hit. Might be an opportunity to get a player or two back with a 1st (or 2)
- walshyleafsfan

Does Boston have cap space? Because that would suck!

so word floating around is that the Leafs offered 10m x 8 years?

FFs Eichel took that to stay in Buffalo

just sign Mitch
- senstroll

Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous.



Leafs: OK, Mitch, we're willing to overpay you.

Marner camp: No. Overpay more, with less years!

Leafs & Leafs fans:

Yeah I could see him signing an offer sheet.

If he meets with teams, i think the Leafs should look at trades with the teams of Mitch's choice. That team probably doesn't want to give up 4 picks and 12m cap hit. Might be an opportunity to get a player or two back with a 1st (or 2)
- walshyleafsfan

I'm becoming more and more at peace with the idea of taking the 4 1st round picks, and using the money earmarked for Mitchy to sign a free agent.

I still doubt anyone gives him an offer sheet, though.

Dubas needs to get Kapanen and Johnsson to put pen to paper before Wednesday. Those guys will get offer sheets.

Yeah I could see him signing an offer sheet.

If he meets with teams, i think the Leafs should look at trades with the teams of Mitch's choice. That team probably doesn't want to give up 4 picks and 12m cap hit. Might be an opportunity to get a player or two back with a 1st (or 2)
- walshyleafsfan

Mitch doesn't get a choice.

Wouldn't that be something? Now that we have an extra 1st rounder from you, we're gonna sign your young star to an offer sheet.
- BINGO!

That would suck.. I hate you so much right now and too think, I wanted our hands on your Pesce.

so word floating around is that the Leafs offered 10m x 8 years?

FFs Eichel took that to stay in Buffalo

just sign Mitch
- senstroll

Marner wants a 5 year term apparently.

by 8. Leafs apparently weren't willing to go that high last off season.
- Aaron_85

Considering he had 2 seasons of 60 odd points, yeah, makes sense.

Marner wants a 5 year term apparently.
- shack67

right which is pretty standard for players in his realm. maximize the $$ for his next deal. Agents would push for that i am sure.

I dont like it

I'm becoming more and more at peace with the idea of taking the 4 1st round picks, and using the money earmarked for Mitchy to sign a free agent.

I still doubt anyone gives him an offer sheet, though.

Dubas needs to get Kapanen and Johnsson to put pen to paper before Wednesday. Those guys will get offer sheets.
- Atomic Wedgie

I would absolutely consider 4 1st round picks. I'd prefer a trade but I'm open to the picks. Either way they have to upgrade the defense. Mitch is probably the best way to go about that.

Agreed in Kapanen and Johnsson. Although strangely I don't think they'd sign an OS

You can say you disagree with a point, but saying it is a bad argument, infers that you are speaking from facts - while it is just your opinion. I did do a little research in fact, I looked at every pick from #20 to the end of the first round in every draft from 1993 to 2013 - and the stats were consistent with about 3 to 5 picks being very good players in the NHL. Lots of crap as stated.
- winsix

And that's exactly why it's a bad argument. Because you're looking at different (often bad) GMs who were making bad picks.

The point still stands, it depends who is making the picks. The recent 1st round picks by the Leafs have been very beneficial to the team and will continue to be a source of cheap talent while the Leafs are strapped for cap space.

I'm becoming more and more at peace with the idea of taking the 4 1st round picks, and using the money earmarked for Mitchy to sign a free agent.

I still doubt anyone gives him an offer sheet, though.

Dubas needs to get Kapanen and Johnsson to put pen to paper before Wednesday. Those guys will get offer sheets.
- Atomic Wedgie

The odds of replacing a player as good as Marner with those four 1st round picks are pretty low.

And signing a replacement for Marner will cost almost the same amount but for a much older player who is less likely to improve as his contract ages.

The Leafs have 13 million in cap space (Horton LTIR) and while nobody wants the Leafs to pay that much to match an offersheet (don't think anybody would go that high anyway) the Leafs should just keep Marner and move other pieces to make it work in a worst case scenario.

And that's exactly why it's a bad argument. Because you're looking at different (often bad) GMs who were making bad picks.

The point still stands, it depends who is making the picks. The recent 1st round picks by the Leafs have been very beneficial to the team and will continue to be a source of cheap talent while the Leafs are strapped for cap space.
- JohnFergusonJr

Come on man. I love how much you use hindsight.

Sometimes picks turn out and sometimes they don’t...it’s really that simple.

by 8. Leafs apparently weren't willing to go that high last off season.
- Aaron_85

Except, his agent said he wanted to wait for Matthews and Nylander to get done first.

And that's exactly why it's a bad argument. Because you're looking at different (often bad) GMs who were making bad picks.

The point still stands, it depends who is making the picks. The recent 1st round picks by the Leafs have been very beneficial to the team and will continue to be a source of cheap talent while the Leafs are strapped for cap space.
- JohnFergusonJr

Your agruement is Trash, because you are making an assumption the the bad GM's from Toronto making bad picks are significantly lower in quality (more than two standard deviations) than the average or mean. Your arguement is baseless and as I mentioned Trash.

by 8. Leafs apparently weren't willing to go that high last off season.
- Aaron_85

We can add that one to the list of things that Marner was clearly going to accept last year. Seriously. Go read through message threads. Here. On Sportsnet. On The Athletic. On anywhere online . . .

He was TOTALLY going to sign an 8 year deal for:

- $8 million
- $9 million
-$10 million
- $9.5 million

. . . but Dubas blew it and didn't sign him and now he's going to have to pay him so much more!

There was talk - by the media. There was no deal. Parameters were thrown around - by the media. There was never a deal. Marner's agent came on some shows and talked about parameters - but there was no deal.

The odds of replacing a player as good as Marner with those four 1st round picks are pretty low.

And signing a replacement for Marner will cost almost the same amount but for a much older player who is less likely to improve as his contract ages.

The Leafs have 13 million in cap space (Horton LTIR) and while nobody wants the Leafs to pay that much to match an offersheet (don't think anybody would go that high anyway) the Leafs should just keep Marner and move other pieces to make it work in a worst case scenario.
- JohnFergusonJr

I think part of the argument is how far do they go with the stars and scrubs makeup? Or (obviously depends on the players) would the team be better equipped with 3 x 3.5m players as opposed to one 10.5mil player?

Your agruement is Trash, because you are making an assumption the the bad GM's from Toronto making bad picks are significantly lower in quality (more than two standard deviations) than the average or mean. Your arguement is baseless and as I mentioned Trash.
- winsix

The odds of replacing a player as good as Marner with those four 1st round picks are pretty low.

And signing a replacement for Marner will cost almost the same amount but for a much older player who is less likely to improve as his contract ages.

The Leafs have 13 million in cap space (Horton LTIR) and while nobody wants the Leafs to pay that much to match an offersheet (don't think anybody would go that high anyway) the Leafs should just keep Marner and move other pieces to make it work in a worst case scenario.
- JohnFergusonJr

Leafs have actually over 14 million plus the cap increase and Hortons LTIR, not to mention both Hyman and Dermott.

Does Boston have cap space? Because that would suck!
- bryant

Oh God no. Pease don't