Wasn't it Burke that didn't want to give him an offer sheet, even though it would have been a 1st, 2nd and a 3rd instead of two 1sts and a 2nd?

It also assumes the Leafs know what Marner's agent is doing. If they sign an offer sheet, can he still be traded during the period they have to match?
- JohnFergusonJr

no he couldn't be traded anymore.
so basically IF Marner gets an offersheet he likes, he hold all the power - it's then either Toronto or the other team (let's assume NYR).

Anyone buying this poop?

On 31 Thoughts, Elliot Friedman said Marner felt hurt by Dubas' "not matching any offer sheet" comments. Chris Johnston says that this is about respect, about rookie bonuses, and not getting enough ice time..
- PatC80

Quite possibly seen the last of Mitch in a Leafs Jersey?

It might be for the best. If they can solidify their backend and Nylander bounces back to what he was in year's 1 and 2, we might be a better around team.

If this is true, anyone getting hurt about offers in the $10 million per year neighbourhood needs to man up and grow a pair.

FFS.
- Atomic Wedgie

I kind of agree with you.. Dubas is right in saying that as well. If a team offers Marner $12M per year, the Leafs are in no position to match it

i still don't see an offer sheet coming. it's all empty threats / marner's agent pretending to speak for other teams.

I just don't think there is a team out there:
i) with +$10M in cap space
ii) with a stocked up prospect pool (so they can sacrifice 4 1sts)
iii) flush with cash so they can pay $12M bonus this july; and
iv) that is a marner away from being a SC contender.
- Tumbleweed

NYR says hello!

Wasn't it Burke that didn't want to give him an offer sheet, even though it would have been a 1st, 2nd and a 3rd instead of two 1sts and a 2nd?

It also assumes the Leafs know what Marner's agent is doing. If they sign an offer sheet, can he still be traded during the period they have to match?
- JohnFergusonJr

It was. Burke basically told Chia that he could use the offer sheet, but he didn't want to (because of his previous idiocy with Kevin Lowe and the wanting to fight him in a barn and so on), so he worked out a deal. . . that had us pay more. That's like how *I* negotiate.

But in concept the offer sheet is basically nothing but pending recycling until someone signs it. So you can receive it, you can show it to someone, but until it's signed, it's leverage or a conversation starter.

I kind of agree with you.. Dubas is right in saying that as well. If a team offers Marner $12M per year, the Leafs are in no position to match it
- PatC80

Marner > Kadri + Nylander.

If Dubas lets Marner go, he's done before the end of the calender year.

Quite possibly seen the last of Mitch in a Leafs Jersey?

It might be for the best. If they can solidify their backend and Nylander bounces back to what he was in year's 1 and 2, we might be a better around team.
- walshyleafsfan

It really sucks that it has gotten to this point, and that Marner is willingly going to meet with other teams.

Wasn't it Burke that didn't want to give him an offer sheet, even though it would have been a 1st, 2nd and a 3rd instead of two 1sts and a 2nd?

It also assumes the Leafs know what Marner's agent is doing. If they sign an offer sheet, can he still be traded during the period they have to match?
- JohnFergusonJr

Once signed, the Leafs can match or walk away. If they walk away and the signed offer is over $10,568,590 per season, then they have to give up 4 first round picks (have to be their own) Then if the team wants to get some picks back the, Leafs can negoiate one or some of the picks back for other assets.

New Jersey/Philly/Detroit/Who knows?
- PatC80

jersey - they are cash poor. no chance they have an extra $12M sitting around. they actually are stocked up on prospects with high picks from recent years. but their goaltending situation is mess and they would be setting themselves up to pay hart trophy winner hall $15M next year, bascially (frank)ing themselves.

philly - not enough space after they sign hartman/provorov/koenecy

det - so far away from being a playoff team.

it's actually kind of easy to know. there is no team in position to do it.

Marner > Kadri + Nylander.

If Dubas lets Marner go, he's done before the end of the calender year.
- MaximusAurelius

Let's say it is the Rangers, and they offer him 7 yrs at $12M per season.

There's no way Dubas can match that.

They can't if he signs it.. They have 7 days to match it, I think?
- PatC80

Or 7 days to trade him and have somebody else match it?

NYR says hello!
- MaximusAurelius

meh. they aren't a marner away from being a playoff team. gorton is no burke.

jersey - they are cash poor. no chance they have an extra $12M sitting around. they actually are stocked up on prospects with high picks from recent years. but their goaltending situation is mess and they would be setting themselves up to pay hart trophy winner hall $15M next year, bascially (frank)ing themselves.

philly - not enough space after they sign hartman/provorov/koenecy

det - so far away from being a playoff team.

it's actually kind of easy to know. there is no team in position to do it.
- Tumbleweed

Montreal?
Colorado?

Let's say it is the Rangers, and they offer him 7 yrs at $12M per season.

There's no way Dubas can match that.
- PatC80

Yeah he can now that Marleau is gone.

Let's say it is the Rangers, and they offer him 7 yrs at $12M per season.

There's no way Dubas can match that.
- PatC80

and the rags guarantee themselves to be a an 75-85 point team for the next 5 years.


plus, rangers won't have the space for $12M after they sign trouba.

Marner > Kadri + Nylander.

If Dubas lets Marner go, he's done before the end of the calender year.
- MaximusAurelius

Can we all fire you from here ?

NYR says hello!
- MaximusAurelius

NYR is tending down in my opinion. I can't understand why they would have gone in on Trouba. They should be going the other way and trying to rebuild. Look at other teams. Tearing the band-aid off slowly is a terrible way to go.

Throwing $12+ at Marner isn't their solution, it's condeming them to a prolonged period of mediocrity or worse - it's giving a team at least 2, if not 4 rolls at the lottery.

Honestly, if I'm Marner and I don't receive a 10.5AAV 5y deal from Dubas, I'd look at 12mln AAV/6 year deals with NYR / MTL / NYI.
Then in 6 years when Matthews has left the Leafs, McDavid is with Leafs and Dubas is long gone - I'd think about joining the Leafs to win a few cups - 27y is still a good age.

That Price hefty is only a lotto ticket. Late first rounders have a shot at being NHLers but a low chance of being really good players. Here's a list of players taken about 20th or later by the Leafs since 1992. Most recent picks (jury is still out on)

2013 Fredrik Gauthier #21
2011 Tyler Biggs #22
2011 Stuart Percy #25
2005 Tuuka Rask #21
2002 Alex Steen #24
2000 Brad Boyes #24
1999 Luca Cerada #24
1993 Landon Wilson #19
1992 Grant Marshal #23

Tuuka Rask and Steen were sold picks the rest were not much. Late first rounders are a crap shoot at best. Led Zep could write a song "Whole Lotta Crap"
- winsix

The Rask pick came after the one year lockout and combined two years into one draft. If you wanted to split the difference, it would have averaged out as a 10th or 11th pick.

Anyone buying this poop?

On 31 Thoughts, Elliot Friedman said Marner felt hurt by Dubas' "not matching any offer sheet" comments. Chris Johnston says that this is about respect, about rookie bonuses, and not getting enough ice time..
- PatC80

Yes and no. Marner camp was pretty upset when the Leafs told them they weren't giving anyone max rookie bonus money, only to turn around 2 days later and give it to Matthews.

Not the best way to handle a situation. Plus, your the rich Leafs, just give the guy the bonus, i mean really.

Canada has the greatest goalscorer in the history of woman's soccer and they choose someone else to take a penalty kick.

NYR is tending down in my opinion. I can't understand why they would have gone in on Trouba. They should be going the other way and trying to rebuild. Look at other teams. Tearing the band-aid off slowly is a terrible way to go.

Throwing $12+ at Marner isn't their solution, it's condeming them to a prolonged period of mediocrity or worse - it's giving a team at least 2, if not 4 rolls at the lottery.
- Monkeypunk

gorton was smart to go after trouba. a late1st plus a poopty dman was a huge underpayment.

gorton is no dummy. he won't overpay with 4 1sts for marner when his defence is tourba and a bunch of scrubs and with a 37 year-old goalie.

Please get it right if you are stealing my proposal......

Zaitsev Nylander and Kadri
for
Jenner Savard and Anderson

Saves almost 7m too 👍
- mr.sir

That's awful, so I hope people don't try repeating it.

jersey - they are cash poor. no chance they have an extra $12M sitting around. they actually are stocked up on prospects with high picks from recent years. but their goaltending situation is mess and they would be setting themselves up to pay hart trophy winner hall $15M next year, bascially (frank)ing themselves.

philly - not enough space after they sign hartman/provorov/koenecy

det - so far away from being a playoff team.

it's actually kind of easy to know. there is no team in position to do it.
- Tumbleweed

Nope. And teams with huge space are teams that barely go over the floor. That is why it's either Nylander part 2 or he's traded.

gorton was smart to go after trouba. a late1st plus a poopty dman was a huge underpayment.

gorton is no dummy. he won't overpay with 4 1sts for marner when his defence is tourba and a bunch of scrubs and with a 37 year-old goalie.
- Tumbleweed

If he views Trouba as trade capital, then I'll agree it's a savvy move because he should receive more on return than he gave up. All I'm saying is that where the Rangers are right now, they have further down to go before they come back up, or else they will float in that nebulous 14 - 22 space until they finally commit to rebuilding.