Yeah, that's how you win Hockeybuzz, getting people like you to agree with me.


- JohnFergusonJr

It’s hockeybuzz.. there’s no winning, only losers

Dundon only wants forwards.
- AdamFrench

I've never been a fan of de Haan, but I don't really understand the trade. Just to shed money, I assume?

The (frank)?

That’s the most retarded counterpoint I’ve ever heard.. I feel dumber now having read that.. you should be ashamed

He turned down more money so he get get some money sooner so he could invest it and maybe make more money?!?!
- Puck-us-all

Call the people at Questrade. They'll explain it to you.

I am not even sure I believe Friedman and this whole idea of Marner being upset.

How can say they will talk to teams about offersheets and then turn around and be upset when Dubas says the Leafs might not match.

Anyway, I am sure most of this is not Marner. It is Ferris and his dad. At some point Marner himself is going to have to put them in their place.

Also, they may think Dubas is a soft touch and will cave. I firmly believe at this point that Shanahan has a say in this and I don't think he is quite so soft. This is why I don't believe Dubas' job is on the line over this. He will be backed by Shanahan over something this significant.
- Aetherial

100% in agreement with this.

A) but he's not.
B) start at a reasonable number and don't threaten to sign an offer sheet
- PatC80

If he can get it somewhere else (he can) then he is.

Yeah, weaken your ability to negotiate, that always works.

I'm still hopeful we can get Pesce.
- PatC80

Carolina just dumped salary.

Likely to go after some UFA's.

But I wouldn't be surprised if it had something to do with Willie or Mitch.

Call the people at Questrade. They'll explain it to you.
- JohnFergusonJr

Ya they’d say take more money .. invest it all as it comes.. you’re retarded

Leafs should be starting at $6 million, then. If the sides want to be ridiculous in negotiations.

Work their way into each other and get actual fair value there.
- GreatGigInTheSky

6 million for 90 points at 21 is just as ridiculous as asking for too much.

That's why both sides start further away and end up somewhere in the middle.

Leafs should be starting at $6 million, then. If the sides want to be ridiculous in negotiations.

Work their way into each other and get actual fair value there.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I don't see how Marner is worth more than Kucherov. I just can't see it.

I've never been a fan of de Haan, but I don't really understand the trade. Just to shed money, I assume?
- GreatGigInTheSky

It is 2019.

Cap space is more valuable than ever.

I don't see mid tier guys like Dzingle, Ferland. ect getting contracts like in the past.

Ya they’d say take more money .. invest it all as it comes.. you’re retarded
- Puck-us-all

Congrats!

It’s hockeybuzz.. there’s no winning, only losers
- Puck-us-all

You're in first place!

Carolina just dumped salary.

Likely to go after some UFA's.

But I wouldn't be surprised if it had something to do with Willie or Mitch.
- Santo_44

Aho

I don't see how Marner is worth more than Kucherov. I just can't see it.
- PatC80

Or the same cap percentage as Crosby and Malkin on their UFA deals.

Marner atm


- AdamFrench

"Trailer trash"- Max

Aho
- Aetherial

Didn't know Aho was going to cost 25 million.

I don't see how Marner is worth more than Kucherov. I just can't see it.
- PatC80

He’s not.. but he’ll likely get more

I’m still thinking it’s around 9.5x6 (hoping)

I don't see how Marner is worth more than Kucherov. I just can't see it.
- PatC80

Tampa Bay discount.

If Kucherov wanted to leave, he'd get McDavid money with his hardware.

He signed a long term deal that prevented him from becoming a UFA before he got the hardware and now gets less than if he had waited.

Agents saw this, learned from it and are adapting.

Congrats!



You're in first place!
- JohnFergusonJr

So you are a number two? I knew it

Agreed. Marner should not get the same deal as Matthews. If he does, it's a fail on Dubas.
- PatC80

Matthews shouldn't have gotten a matthews deal. Term is horrible.

Matthews shouldn't have gotten a matthews deal. Term is horrible.
- Fakepartofme

Yeah, the Leafs are so close to the cap but lets have Matthews at a higher cap hit.

That would fix all of our worries right now.

Matthews shouldn't have gotten a matthews deal. Term is horrible.
- Fakepartofme

You're 100% right.

Should have been 8 years.

If the Leafs can't win a Cup in the next 3 years, they're going to have to seriously consider moving Matthews in year 4.

I don't see how Marner is worth more than Kucherov. I just can't see it.
- PatC80

Thats Tampa money.
In toronto kuch gets 10.5 - 11.
People just have to get over certain teams can sign players for a little less.

Yeah, the Leafs are so close to the cap but lets have Matthews at a higher cap hit.

That would fix all of our worries right now.
- Santo_44

Scenario A) Trade Brown, no big deal, cap space created.

Scenario B) Lose one of your best players as a UFA

Hard one to pick.

Reality is though, he should be at 11.6 for 8 years because there's no shot he's worth McDavid money having won (frank) all.

Scenario A) Trade Brown, no big deal, cap space created.

Scenario B) Lose one of your best players as a UFA

Hard one to pick.

Reality is though, he should be at 11.6 for 8 years because there's no shot he's worth McDavid money having won (frank) all.
- JohnFergusonJr

Yeah because this is totally going to happen.

100%.

If he can get it somewhere else (he can) then he is.

Yeah, weaken your ability to negotiate, that always works.


- JohnFergusonJr

So in your opinion, there is absolutely zero incentive for Marner to be reasonable?