I get it, I like Marner too. We can't have him at $11M. It's not gonna help us, It's gonna hurt us. Your idea of trading Nylander is a bit off base. How do we develop his value and then proceed to trade him as a cap dump.
- PatC80

They can afford him if they dump Brown. If they can trade a 1st to dump Marleau, they can afford to dump Brown to keep Marner. And that's only a worst case scenario.

Nylander's value can be recovered with a good season. And if he's traded, it's not necessarily a cap dump. It could be for young, cheap players. So the value is still there just not against the cap.

*one legged duck swimming in a circle*
- Santo_44

We'll be fine as long as the cap goes up to $112M next year.

Incoming response including way more variables to make a stupid lame counterpoint in 5..4..3...

Edit::... yeuuuup
- Puck-us-all

Yup

They can afford him if they dump Brown. If they can trade a 1st to dump Marleau, they can afford to dump Brown to keep Marner. And that's only a worst case scenario.

Nylander's value can be recovered with a good season. And if he's traded, it's not necessarily a cap dump. It could be for young, cheap players. So the value is still there just not against the cap.
- JohnFergusonJr

Dump Brown? His $2.1M cap hit will save us. Nylander's value will go up, his cap hit is not the issue. Just so I understand, we build up his value and trade him for a 1st rd pick?

All this subjective bullsh1t for 30 fcuking pages. Jesus, you're all like a bunch of nattering old women thinking they have some type of clue as to the inner workings of a NHL team and a NHL Agency during the negotiation of a star player.

Marner's team and the Maple Leafs management are negotiating a new deal. That's the ONLY fact anyone knows...on these boards or on TSN. END OF STORY.

Nobody knows term or Cap or how much of a douche his dad is or how trailer park his mom is....quit with the guessing and then spewing that bullsh1t like it's fact.

FFS. It's not even our money. WGAF if he wants a gazillion. Management will make a decision and that will be it. Marner is a Leaf or he's not.

Can we go back to boob GIFs for a few days???

John Shannon said today Carolina isn’t willing to go more then 6 million a year on an 8 year term for Aho. not sure if he knows poop, but that’s crazy.

Dump Brown? His $2.1M cap hit will save us. Nylander's value will go up, his cap hit is not the issue. Just so I understand, we build up his value and trade him for a 1st rd pick?
- PatC80

If moving his cap hit opens up money for Marner, it works.

His cap hit is an issue when he produces as poorly as he did last year.

Trade him for good, young, cheap players.

All this subjective bullsh1t for 30 fcuking pages. Jesus, you're all like a bunch of nattering old women thinking they have some type of clue as to the inner workings of a NHL team and a NHL Agency during the negotiation of a star player.

Marner's team and the Maple Leafs management are negotiating a new deal. That's the ONLY fact anyone knows...on these boards or on TSN. END OF STORY.

Nobody knows term or Cap or how much of a douche his dad is or how trailer park his mom is....quit with the guessing and then spewing that bullsh1t like it's fact.

FFS. It's not even our money. WGAF if he wants a gazillion. Management will make a decision and that will be it. Marner is a Leaf or he's not.

Can we go back to boob GIFs for a few days???
- Barb34

Side note; Elliotte Friedman also said teams are telling him that if some team does offersheet Marner and TOR doesn't match, they're terrified of what TOR might do with extra cap space, picks, and a vengeance.

If moving his cap hit opens up money for Marner, it works.

His cap hit is an issue when he produces as poorly as he did last year.

Trade him for good, young, cheap players.
- JohnFergusonJr

Those good young cheap players have to be paid as well, no? Marner at $11M hurts us for more than 1 year.

Side note; Elliotte Friedman also said teams are telling him that if some team does offersheet Marner and TOR doesn't match, they're terrified of what TOR might do with extra cap space, picks, and a vengeance.
- PatC80

Leafs can’t offer sheet anyone so that’s off the table. Interesting though

All this subjective bullsh1t for 30 fcuking pages. Jesus, you're all like a bunch of nattering old women thinking they have some type of clue as to the inner workings of a NHL team and a NHL Agency during the negotiation of a star player.

Marner's team and the Maple Leafs management are negotiating a new deal. That's the ONLY fact anyone knows...on these boards or on TSN. END OF STORY.

Nobody knows term or Cap or how much of a douche his dad is or how trailer park his mom is....quit with the guessing and then spewing that bullsh1t like it's fact.

FFS. It's not even our money. WGAF if he wants a gazillion. Management will make a decision and that will be it. Marner is a Leaf or he's not.

Can we go back to boob GIFs for a few days???
- Barb34

Leafs can’t offer sheet anyone so that’s off the table
- ClarksonDavid

I know we don't have a 1st next year... Still kinda funny though

I know we don't have a 1st next year... Still kinda funny though
- PatC80

Stupid Dubas.

Those good young cheap players have to be paid as well, no? Marner at $11M hurts us for more than 1 year.
- PatC80

An ELC is cheap for 3 years.

And the cap goes up every year with the US TV deal is coming up soon.

Marner at 11 AAV doesn't hurt any more or less than Matthews and Tavares.

And as Tavares ages, you're going to want a guy like Marner passing him the puck.

A quality UFA out there would cost the same to replace him.

An ELC is cheap for 3 years.

And the cap goes up every year with the US TV deal is coming up soon.

Marner at 11 AAV doesn't hurt any more or less than Matthews and Tavares.

And as Tavares ages, you're going to want a guy like Marner passing him the puck.

A quality UFA out there would cost the same to replace him.
- JohnFergusonJr

An ELC is cheap for 3 years.

And the cap goes up every year with the US TV deal is coming up soon.

Marner at 11 AAV doesn't hurt any more or less than Matthews and Tavares.

And as Tavares ages, you're going to want a guy like Marner passing him the puck.

A quality UFA out there would cost the same to replace him.
- JohnFergusonJr

Your plan could work if the cap goes up to $159M in 2 years.

- 21peter

Now isn't that a much better vibe for in here?!?!

- 21peter

Hahahahahaha. My new bestie.

Hahahahahaha. My new bestie.
- Barb34

probably gonna 'cost' me a couple of weeks

I know we don't have a 1st next year... Still kinda funny though
- PatC80

Don't need 1sts for offer sheets.


Best players to offer sheet only cost a 2nd or 3rd.

Your plan could work if the cap goes up to $159M in 2 years.
- PatC80

27.9 million in cap space for 2020/2021.

Most likely, yeah because the cap will go up again and eventually a new TV deal will come in and the cap will go up again. Plenty of other guys they could trade to clear space, just a matter of getting their value back up to normal, like Nylander.
- JohnFergusonJr

Players are sick of 10%ish escrow.

So the cap is already over inflated by about that. Plus, a drop in the cad exchange rate would wipe out a u.s. tv deal increase.

Could be several years of $2m increases on the horizon.

27.9 million in cap space for 2020/2021.
- JohnFergusonJr

There you do. If that happens, your plans can and will work...

Players are sick of 10%ish escrow.

So the cap is already over inflated by about that. Plus, a drop in the cad exchange rate would wipe out a u.s. tv deal increase.

Could be several years of $2m increases on the horizon.
- Tumbleweed

It goes up an average of 2 million every year.

Side note; Elliotte Friedman also said teams are telling him that if some team does offersheet Marner and TOR doesn't match, they're terrified of what TOR might do with extra cap space, picks, and a vengeance.
- PatC80

Pual will give Mitch a spanking if he left Toronto.