I just find it terribly frustrating that a Toronto kid can see how batpoop crazy the city went for winning the NBA championship, and not be able to put two and two together and realize that if he takes a little less, it could mean a helluva lot more. And I'm not talking about karma or warm fuzzy feelings - I'm talking about cold, hard cash.

Win the Stanley Cup for Toronto, and you will never buy another drink in this town again. You'll be set for life with endorsement deals.

FFS, Wendel Clark is on my TV every night washing tires, or some poop like that.

What's the difference between $9.5 million and $10.5 million? Crosby figured it out - it's better to leave a little money on the table so that you can have a better supporting cast.
- Atomic Wedgie

100% this.

The New England Patriots have been one of (if not the) most consistently dominant teams in sports for going on two decades, and one of the main reasons is because their best player is willing to get paid less than he could because he understands it allows them to field a better team around him.

Sit the Leafs young core down and say, "Listen, if there wasn't a cap we could write you all a blank cheque -- we're the (frank)ing Leafs -- this is not about being cheap and trying to increase profitability. Unfortunately, there is a cap, and our ultimate goal here is to win championships, and we want you to recognize that we can maximize our chances to do so if you all take a little less than you could get elsewhere so we can build a deep team with a good supporting cast around you. Also, we'll do everything in our power to increase your marketability and earnings potential outside of the formal hockey world, which winning championships will most certainly do. We're looking for players to buy into this mentality, and if you are not interested, here's HOHO's hat and we'll be trading you for someone who does."

100% this.

The New England Patriots have been one of (if not the) most consistently dominant teams in sports for going on two decades, and one of the main reasons is because their best player is willing to get paid less than he could because he understands it allows them to field a better team around him.

Sit the Leafs young core down and say, "Listen, if there wasn't a cap we could write you all a blank cheque -- we're the (frank)ing Leafs -- this is not about being cheap and trying to increase profitability. Unfortunately, there is a cap, and our ultimate goal here is to win championships, and we want you to recognize that we can maximize our chances to do so if you all take a little less than you could get elsewhere so we can build a deep team with a good supporting cast around you. Also, we'll do everything in our power to increase your marketability and earnings potential outside of the formal hockey world, which winning championships will most certainly do. We're looking for players to buy into this mentality, and if you are not interested, here's HOHO's hat and we'll be trading you for someone who does."
- poopstash

I would think that this is, in fact the essence of the SHANAPLAN and TITS

So the four first rounders have to be in the coming next 5 years, so leafs technically could still offer sheet someone that high. They won’t, but that’s interesting

100% this.

The New England Patriots have been one of (if not the) most consistently dominant teams in sports for going on two decades, and one of the main reasons is because their best player is willing to get paid less than he could because he understands it allows them to field a better team around him.

Sit the Leafs young core down and say, "Listen, if there wasn't a cap we could write you all a blank cheque -- we're the (frank)ing Leafs -- this is not about being cheap and trying to increase profitability. Unfortunately, there is a cap, and our ultimate goal here is to win championships, and we want you to recognize that we can maximize our chances to do so if you all take a little less than you could get elsewhere so we can build a deep team with a good supporting cast around you. Also, we'll do everything in our power to increase your marketability and earnings potential outside of the formal hockey world, which winning championships will most certainly do. We're looking for players to buy into this mentality, and if you are not interested, here's HOHO's hat and we'll be trading you for someone who does."
- poopstash

Brady restructures his contract all the time to help the team

It's very refreshing.

It's also easy to do, when your wife makes more than you and probably has made more over the course of her career.

So the four first rounders have to be in the coming next 5 years, so leafs technically could still offer sheet someone that high. They won’t, but that’s interesting
- ClarksonDavid

Can't because of the Marleay deal.

Can't because of the Marleay deal.
- AdamFrench

Dreger just tweeted that the picks can be from any of the next 5 drafts. Which I had no idea is a rule. So if a random team offer sheets Marner and then is bottom 10, they probably could delay the pick a year I guess?

Dreger just tweeted that the picks can be from any of the next 5 drafts. Which I had no idea is a rule. So if a random team offer sheets Marner and then is bottom 10, they probably could delay the pick a year I guess?
- ClarksonDavid

That doesn't make any sense. What stops a team saying "Oh...uh, the 4 first are from 2020 (when we win the cup), 2021, 2022, 2023?"

That's never been the case in offer sheets, it's always been the next years picks.

Hey, uh, that 2020 first rounder from our 8.5mil offer sheet was really 2023!!!!!!

Brady restructures his contract all the time to help the team

It's very refreshing.

It's also easy to do, when your wife makes more than you and probably has made more over the course of her career.
- RickJames77

Yep. I bet my wife that Brady was worth more then his wife.

I was wrong. I think she is worth like 400 million on her own.

Yep. I bet my wife that Brady was worth more then his wife.

I was wrong. I think she is worth like 400 million on her own.
- bryant

The beauty industry is the most corruptly insane shenanigans on the Earth.

Brady restructures his contract all the time to help the team

It's very refreshing.

It's also easy to do, when your wife makes more than you and probably has made more over the course of her career.
- RickJames77

totally fair -- I understand the rarity of the situation given "Gazelle" (Edelman's spelling) -- but nevertheless, it still requires Brady to be able to check his ego and be okay with making less than other QB's in the league.

Really don't see how it would be so hard to convince a 21 year old hockey player to buy into that mentality and make $72 mln vs. $81 mln or whatever over an 8 year period. Are you worried about your kids going hungry?

That doesn't make any sense. What stops a team saying "Oh...uh, the 4 first are from 2020 (when we win the cup), 2021, 2022, 2023?"

That's never been the case in offer sheets, it's always been the next years picks.

Hey, uh, that 2020 first rounder from our 8.5mil offer sheet was really 2023!!!!!!
- AdamFrench

Hey don’t shoot the messenger! it is kinda stupid though but is apparently the rules, there should be no control over the picks. Like let’s say three years down the road the team drops to bottom 5 they can delay the pick a year? Kinda sucks.

That doesn't make any sense. What stops a team saying "Oh...uh, the 4 first are from 2020 (when we win the cup), 2021, 2022, 2023?"

That's never been the case in offer sheets, it's always been the next years picks.

Hey, uh, that 2020 first rounder from our 8.5mil offer sheet was really 2023!!!!!!
- AdamFrench

It's true though, weirdly. I think it only applies if you're the victim of an offer sheet yourself, but it's interesting.

I find it frustrating that it's such a battle (you know - only me. I don't know why the rest of you are so cool with this). We use Kucherov as a comparable, but the truth is that Marner has accomplished more by 21 than Kucherov did. Kucherov's success came more at 23, 24, and 25.

The real comparable is still Patrick Kane. Kane at 19, 20, and 21 had a PS of 7.2, 6.9, and 10.3. Marner at the same ages had a PS of 6.6, 7 and 9.8.

Kane came out of his ELC and signed a deal at 11.08% of the cap (equivalent to 9.03m of an $81.5m cap). It was a 5 year deal, and the 5th year ate up one year of UFA.

If you argue a shifting market, and buy up one more year of UFA, then adjust the deal to 12%, it's still $9.78m - which is a pretty fair cost & term.
- Monkeypunk

Getting Kane money would be more than fair, hadn't Kane just led the team in playoff scoring and scored the Cup winning goal?

Leafs really (frank)ing blew it by not signing matthews and marner to identical 10x8 contracts 12 months ago

It's true though, weirdly. I think it only applies if you're the victim of an offer sheet yourself, but it's interesting.
- BINGO!

Seems more like this poop never happens and nobody thought to think of the rules while drinking Chateaux de Chalsally in Florida.

Getting Kane money would be more than fair, hadn't Kane just led the team in playoff scoring and scored the Cup winning goal?

Leafs really (frank)ing blew it by not signing matthews and marner to identical 10x8 contracts 12 months ago
- BestRapperAlive

Imagine 12 months ago signing a 69 point player to a 10 million dollar deal such a stupid narrative. Worse then giving him 11-12 now.

Seems more like this poop never happens and nobody thought to think of the rules while drinking Chateaux de Chalsally in Florida.
- AdamFrench

Fair enough. Nobody's been a big enough wienerhead to try this big in a while.

Fair enough. Nobody's been a big enough wienerhead to try this big in a while.
- BINGO!

If Ottawa wasn't broke, they should offer sheet somebody to hit the cap floor and keep their 2020 1st rounder

Imagine 12 months ago signing a 69 point player to a 10 million dollar deal such a stupid narrative. Worse then giving him 11-12 now.
- ClarksonDavid

We can and we will!!!

We can and we will!!!



- fifty__missions

Oh?

Imagine 12 months ago signing a 69 point player to a 10 million dollar deal such a stupid narrative. Worse then giving him 11-12 now.
- ClarksonDavid

It might've been criticized, but the critics would've been proven wrong. Could've got more term and less dollars by making them an offer they can't refuse

I just find it terribly frustrating that a Toronto kid can see how batpoop crazy the city went for winning the NBA championship, and not be able to put two and two together and realize that if he takes a little less, it could mean a helluva lot more. And I'm not talking about karma or warm fuzzy feelings - I'm talking about cold, hard cash.

Win the Stanley Cup for Toronto, and you will never buy another drink in this town again. You'll be set for life with endorsement deals.

FFS, Wendel Clark is on my TV every night washing tires, or some poop like that.

What's the difference between $9.5 million and $10.5 million? Crosby figured it out - it's better to leave a little money on the table so that you can have a better supporting cast.
- Atomic Wedgie

Maybe he looks at the team and cap issues and feels they cant win a cup. Dunno.
Its easy for us to sit on the sidelines and say, oh its only a million dollars difference, he could be a hero for the rest of his life in Toronto.
Or he could be traded in year 3.
Or he could get injured and never be the same again.
Most players want to get their money.
Maybe its not about money per year.
Maybe its about term
Maybe its the structure of the deal to protect during the lock out or so that he doesnt get hit with a lot taxes. Trying to figure our bonus vs salary.
Quit assuming people

It might've been criticized, but the critics would've been proven wrong. Could've got more term and less dollars by making them an offer they can't refuse
- BestRapperAlive

It would never of happened cause it is so far fetched. hindsight is great. Dubas would have been paying Marner more money then Kucherov, when one guy just had a 100 point season and the other had 69. Leafs really (frank)ed that one up.

It's true though, weirdly. I think it only applies if you're the victim of an offer sheet yourself, but it's interesting.
- BINGO!

yeah, just looked it up.

Section 10.4:

Clubs owing three (3) draft selections in the same round must have them available
in the next four (4) drafts, and so on.

I should probably cut and paste a little more to provide more context, as "...and so on." is a little hard to follow, but Dreger is right on this one.

Getting Kane money would be more than fair, hadn't Kane just led the team in playoff scoring and scored the Cup winning goal?

Leafs really (frank)ing blew it by not signing matthews and marner to identical 10x8 contracts 12 months ago
- BestRapperAlive

I felt the same way, but some of the supposed facts are:

1. They could not be signed until July 2.

2. After Tavares was signed on July 1, the cost went up (guessing, but . . .)

3. Despite saying that they were willing to negotiate before the season started, after Tavares signed, the Marner camp was also saying that they wanted to play the season out and see how it went. They sort of talked out of both sides of their mouth, but I'm pretty sure there was no intention to sign coming off of a 69pt season and John Tavares as your new centre vs. Tyler Bozak.

4. In order to have this happen, you would have needed to have the agents willing to get together in a room with the players and do this; if you're a good agent trying to maximize your client's portfolio, you don't do this. The only possible outcome of that type of meeting is trying to guilt each player in a peer situation into taking less money.

Sail on, Soderberg.

Sail on by.

Your time has come...to shine.

All your equipment is on the way...