please explain that.....

Marner - 241gp, 224p, career high 94pt season (0.93ppg)

Matthews - 212gp, 205p, career high 73pt season (0.96ppg)


how exactly is he "not worth" the same as Matthews. Also, their advanced stats are very similar, which is telling considering Matthews played sheltered minutes, and Marner didn't.

I'm not saying Marner is better, but it's incredibly naïve to think he isn't worth pretty close to the same as Matthews.

also, you also talk about marner's comps making like 9.5......well matthew's comps are making about the same. I know people like to compare matthew's to guys like mcdavid, crosby, etc....but the fact is, he's not there yet. he's in a group with guys like barkov, schiefle, draisaitl, etc....who are all making INSANELY less than him. like someone else said, Dubas set the precedent here by spending insane amounts of money on Tavares and Matthews, and now people expect Marner to "take one for the team" when clearly nobody else was willing to do it.
- sensarmy_11

He's a center. They make more.

He's scores way more, that's worth more. He's the highest scoring playing 5on5 in the league since he entered the league. Marner isn't the highest anything since he got in the league.


The 2nd part is just insanity. Not even close to truth. Just brutal.


Edit: where the (frank) do you get Matthews was sheltered and marner wasn't. Couldn't be further from the truth.

why....do you want to see how many players have better numbers than matthew's, despite being paid significantly less?

you guys are all pissy at people for pointing out the cap mismanagement on your team....when in reality you should be pissed at Dubas for putting your team there in the first place.
- sensarmy_11

Ummm what.

He's a center. They make more.

He's scores way more, that's worth more. He's the highest scoring playing 5on5 in the league since he entered the league. Marner isn't the highest anything since he got in the league.


The 2nd part is just insanity. Not even close to truth. Just brutal.


Edit: where the (frank) do you get Matthews was sheltered and marner wasn't. Couldn't be further from the truth.
- burn

are you seriously suggesting that, RIGHT NOW, Matthew's is on par with the elite of the elite in the league...despite the fact that he plays completely sheltered minutes and has never cracked 75pts.....is that REALLY what you're saying?

why....do you want to see how many players have better numbers than matthew's, despite being paid significantly less?

you guys are all pissy at people for pointing out the cap mismanagement on your team....when in reality you should be pissed at Dubas for putting your team there in the first place.
- sensarmy_11

Yaya we get it. Leafs are in cap hell. Sucks to be Leafs fans having all these star players who command a high salary, and a team that's always going to spend to the cap ceiling, no matter what. Would be way better off having a cheapo owner like Melnyk who will be scraping the floor. Such a bummer rooting for a team that is going to spend ~$20 mln more than the Senators. Might as well move to Ottawa, marry a heffer and sucks richards at this point.

why....do you want to see how many players have better numbers than matthew's, despite being paid significantly less?

you guys are all pissy at people for pointing out the cap mismanagement on your team....when in reality you should be pissed at Dubas for putting your team there in the first place.
- sensarmy_11

Ya, please show us all of your really naive numbers that show that Matthews is meh.

Listen, you're about 4 months late to this education process. Go back to the drawing board and consider when those guys signed ...how much the cap has grown ...the pending new CBA influences ....etc.... then take a look at Matthews full suite of numbers (look up some articles written by guys who get paid to analyze this stuff0 and then get back into the conversation.

You're a broken record from a decade ago.

are you seriously suggesting that, RIGHT NOW, Matthew's is on par with the elite of the elite in the league...despite the fact that he plays completely sheltered minutes and has never cracked 75pts.....is that REALLY what you're saying?
- sensarmy_11

Matthews is one of best 5 players in league.
Marner is one of best 10 FWs.

Matthews' contract is low on the AAV, but the term is bad for Toronto - so it's a bit of a a trade off.
Matthews should come in at 11-12mln AAV on an 8y deal; 10mln on a 5y deal.

Ya, please show us all of you're really naive numbers that show that Matthews is meh.

Listen, you're about 4 months late to this education process. Go back to the drawing board and consider when those guys signed ...how much the cap has grown ...the pending new CBA influences ....etc.... then take a look at Matthews full suite of numbers (look up some articles written by guys who get paid to analyze this stuff0 and then get back into the conversation.

You're a broken record from a decade ago.
- The Law

please point out where I said Matthew's is "meh".....I said that Marner deserves to be paid equally, or close to, based on their production.

in terms of "guys who get paid to analylze this stuff"....i'll point out that guys like Tanner get paid to "analyze this stuff" too....all their analysis is going to say is that Marner and Matthews are pretty damn close...and neither is comparable to guys like McDavid and Kucherov.

it's naïve to think that you can have Matthews at nearly 12, but somehow Marner will magically sign for 9..........(frank), half the leaf fans that I know have said they'd rather have marner than matthews

Now do Eichel ..and Draisatl ....and Hall, Gaudreau, etc.....
- The Law

No reason trying to use logic with this weak troll. He cheers for a team that had a nightmare season and talks about cap hell when Bobby Ryan makes $7.25 million a year (for three more years) for an average of 33 points a season (over the past 3 seasons). Appropriately the Senators play at the Canadian Tire (Fire) Centre.

are you seriously suggesting that, RIGHT NOW, Matthew's is on par with the elite of the elite in the league...despite the fact that he plays completely sheltered minutes and has never cracked 75pts.....is that REALLY what you're saying?
- sensarmy_11

Yes. He is the second best player in the world in his age category.

Truth be told he did well on his deal ....especially bc it was only 5 years. But if Eichel is 10 (the previous year) and McDavid was 12.5 (the previous year) then it's ridiculous of anyone to argue he shouldn't get something between those two.

If you just don't rate Matthews fine ...but you're in the remote helmet-wearing minority with that opinion.

please explain that.....

Marner - 241gp, 224p, career high 94pt season (0.93ppg)

Matthews - 212gp, 205p, career high 73pt season (0.96ppg)


how exactly is he "not worth" the same as Matthews. Also, their advanced stats are very similar, which is telling considering Matthews played sheltered minutes, and Marner didn't.

I'm not saying Marner is better, but it's incredibly naïve to think he isn't worth pretty close to the same as Matthews.

also, you also talk about marner's comps making like 9.5......well matthew's comps are making about the same. I know people like to compare matthew's to guys like mcdavid, crosby, etc....but the fact is, he's not there yet. he's in a group with guys like barkov, schiefle, draisaitl, etc....who are all making INSANELY less than him. like someone else said, Dubas set the precedent here by spending insane amounts of money on Tavares and Matthews, and now people expect Marner to "take one for the team" when clearly nobody else was willing to do it.
- sensarmy_11

Can't help but notice you left out goals. There's a reason for that. The highest paid NHL players score goals. Marner does not. Matthews has been the NHL"s best 5 on 5 goal scorer since he entered the NHL.

Why should a non 30 goal scorer make as much or more thanMatthews?

Matthews is one of best 5 players in league.
Marner is one of best 10 FWs.

Matthews' contract is low on the AAV, but the term is bad for Toronto - so it's a bit of a a trade off.
Matthews should come in at 11-12mln AAV on an 8y deal; 10mln on a 5y deal.
- MaximusAurelius

ummmm....he has the 2nd or 3rd highest aav in the league, that's definitely no low

Non Leaf fans always are massive Marner fans because they are desperate for him to get so much $ and hurt the Leafs. Once he signs they'll call him overrated.

ummmm....he has the 2nd or 3rd highest aav in the league, that's definitely no low
- sensarmy_11

Best goal scorer NHL has seen since Ovechkin entered the league., There is a reason for that.

Yaya we get it. Leafs are in cap hell. Sucks to be Leafs fans having all these star players who command a high salary, and a team that's always going to spend to the cap ceiling, no matter what. Would be way better off having a cheapo owner like Melnyk who will be scraping the floor. Such a bummer rooting for a team that is going to spend ~$20 mln more than the Senators. Might as well move to Ottawa, marry a heffer and sucks richards at this point.
- poopstash

Yes. He is the second best player in the world in his age category.

Truth be told he did well on his deal ....especially bc it was only 5 years. But if Eichel is 10 (the previous year) and McDavid was 12.5 (the previous year) then it's ridiculous of anyone to argue he shouldn't get something between those two.

If you just don't rate Matthews fine ...but you're in the remote helmet-wearing minority with that opinion.
- The Law

the difference, like you said, is that Eichel and Matthews got paid to eat up a bunch of UFA years.....Matthews is getting paid the same dollars and can walk for nothing the second he's eligible to be a UFA. he basically bent Dubas over a barrel.....Dubas also made Tavares the 2nd highest paid player in the league.....so why the (frank) would Marner sit there and take a "team discount" when Dubas is handing out massive player friendly deals as if there was no cap

ummmm....he has the 2nd or 3rd highest aav in the league, that's definitely no low
- sensarmy_11

McD has the highest aav and it's super low for what he brings. Top end players, despite making the most, actually tend to be underpaid...it's the middle class that's overpaid

Non Leaf fans always are massive Marner fans because they are desperate for him to get so much $ and hurt the Leafs. Once he signs they'll call him overrated.
- RogerRoeper

I'd never call him overrated........I personally think he's the player that drives that team. if I could have one player on that roster, he's the one I would choose. yes, Matthew's is the better goal scorer, but I think Marner is the better overall player.

that's why I think he should and will get paid similar to Matthews.

please point out where I said Matthew's is "meh".....I said that Marner deserves to be paid equally, or close to, based on their production.

in terms of "guys who get paid to analylze this stuff"....i'll point out that guys like Tanner get paid to "analyze this stuff" too....all their analysis is going to say is that Marner and Matthews are pretty damn close...and neither is comparable to guys like McDavid and Kucherov.

it's naïve to think that you can have Matthews at nearly 12, but somehow Marner will magically sign for 9..........(frank), half the leaf fans that I know have said they'd rather have marner than matthews
- sensarmy_11

Ya, sure. So Rantanen, Aho and Point should all get 11.5 as well if you were the decision maker. And Pasternak and Draisatl and Eichel and Gaudreau ..etc.... are all underpaid.

Lets wait for the number to come in ....for the record I had the deal at 6 x 9.5.

the difference, like you said, is that Eichel and Matthews got paid to eat up a bunch of UFA years.....Matthews is getting paid the same dollars and can walk for nothing the second he's eligible to be a UFA. he basically bent Dubas over a barrel.....Dubas also made Tavares the 2nd highest paid player in the league.....so why the (frank) would Marner sit there and take a "team discount" when Dubas is handing out massive player friendly deals as if there was no cap
- sensarmy_11

How did Tavares not deserve 11 per? He was offered 13 by other teams.

Eichel and Matthews are not the same player at all.

the difference, like you said, is that Eichel and Matthews got paid to eat up a bunch of UFA years.....Matthews is getting paid the same dollars and can walk for nothing the second he's eligible to be a UFA. he basically bent Dubas over a barrel.....Dubas also made Tavares the 2nd highest paid player in the league.....so why the (frank) would Marner sit there and take a "team discount" when Dubas is handing out massive player friendly deals as if there was no cap
- sensarmy_11

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I'd never call him overrated........I personally think he's the player that drives that team. if I could have one player on that roster, he's the one I would choose. yes, Matthew's is the better goal scorer, but I think Marner is the better overall player.

that's why I think he should and will get paid similar to Matthews.
- sensarmy_11

Based on NHL salary structure, Marner does not score enough goals. Did you know only 1 forward without a 30 goal season has ever gotten 8 million+ per? (Draisaitl and he had 29 goals). So Marner deserves 11 or 12?

Does Point and Rantanen deserve 11 or 12?

Yaya we get it. Leafs are in cap hell. Sucks to be Leafs fans having all these star players who command a high salary, and a team that's always going to spend to the cap ceiling, no matter what. Would be way better off having a cheapo owner like Melnyk who will be scraping the floor. Such a bummer rooting for a team that is going to spend ~$20 mln more than the Senators. Might as well move to Ottawa, marry a heffer and sucks richards at this point.
- poopstash

wow, someone is defensive this morning....wonder why

ummmm....he has the 2nd or 3rd highest aav in the league, that's definitely no low
- sensarmy_11

I am sad that there is so much to cheer for in Ottawa.

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- winsix

congrats....what exactly does that have to do with anything.....unless you're trying to point out the fact that my train wreck of a team has had infinitely more success than your juggernaut of a team has in the last 2 decades.

I get it, Ottawa's owner is a broke ass POS, and the team is bad..........it doesn't detract from the the fact that your team has a poop TON of holes in it, that can't be fixed due to cap mismanagement......as much as you wish it could detract from it.

How did Tavares not deserve 11 per? He was offered 13 by other teams.

Eichel and Matthews are not the same player at all.
- RogerRoeper

He is troll who just ignores facts... just like Spatso and Doppelganger before him. I mean an Ottawa fan trolling any other team is a joke.