are you seriously suggesting that, RIGHT NOW, Matthew's is on par with the elite of the elite in the league...despite the fact that he plays completely sheltered minutes and has never cracked 75pts.....is that REALLY what you're saying?
- sensarmy_11

He's not sheltered

Are you suggesting that the guy who has the most 5on5 goals over the last 3years isn't elite?

congrats....what exactly does that have to do with anything.....unless you're trying to point out the fact that my train wreck of a team has had infinitely more success than your juggernaut of a team has in the last 2 decades.

I get it, Ottawa's owner is a broke ass POS, and the team is bad..........it doesn't detract from the the fact that your team has a poop TON of holes in it, that can't be fixed due to cap mismanagement......as much as you wish it could detract from it.
- sensarmy_11

The Leafs are close to the cap because of drafting a lot of talent. That's the reason. The 2 worst contracts were given out by Lou. Hearing you claim Tavares is a bad contract is odd. He's a franchise C and the best UFA available in at let 12 years. Kevin Hayes just got 7.14 per.

Based on NHL salary structure, Marner does not score enough goals. Did you know only 1 forward without a 30 goal season has ever gotten 8 million+ per? (Draisaitl and he had 29 goals). So Marner deserves 11 or 12?

Does Point and Rantanen deserve 11 or 12?
- RogerRoeper

the only players who deserve those contracts, IMO, are the ones who both score and set up goals.....guys like McDavid, Ovechkin, Kucherov, etc.

Matthew's scores a poop ton, but sets up very few....Marner is the opposite. but at the end of the day, Marner is who sets his value and he clearly wants to be paid similar to Matthew's. he's as important to your team, maybe more so, than Matthew's is.

LOL @ Matthews "Sheltered". 30 other NHl coaches would be playing this guy 22+ minutes a night.

the only players who deserve those contracts, IMO, are the ones who both score and set up goals.....guys like McDavid, Ovechkin, Kucherov, etc.

Matthew's scores a poop ton, but sets up very few....Marner is the opposite. but at the end of the day, Marner is who sets his value and he clearly wants to be paid similar to Matthew's. he's as important to your team, maybe more so, than Matthew's is.
- sensarmy_11

NO. That's not how it works. a set-up winger can't be comparing himself to a goal scoring C just because that argument works for him.


And regarding the 1st point., that might be YOUR opinion, but the facts tell us you need to be a top goal scorer to be amongst the highest paid forwards.

congrats....what exactly does that have to do with anything.....unless you're trying to point out the fact that my train wreck of a team has had infinitely more success than your juggernaut of a team has in the last 2 decades.

I get it, Ottawa's owner is a broke ass POS, and the team is bad..........it doesn't detract from the the fact that your team has a poop TON of holes in it, that can't be fixed due to cap mismanagement......as much as you wish it could detract from it.
- sensarmy_11

Explain that please. "Can't be fixed" implies the Leafs are stuck with bad contracts. Give us a list of those contracts that can't be moved.

Truth is that Zaitsev's contract is a bit of a turd but otherwise every other meaningful contract on the team is a valuable asset. It's a wealth of riches. If Dubas wants to move a high priced forward other gm's will be tripping over themselves to get in line.

The only problem for the Leafs is that their decade of pooptyness allowed them to load up on elite young talent.

Sucks ...

He's not sheltered

Are you suggesting that the guy who has the most 5on5 goals over the last 3years isn't elite?
- burn

not at all, I'm saying Marner is equally elite. I do that by pointing out some of the "weaknesses" in Matthew's game. they're both elite players....I'm just saying people are insane if they think Matthew's is worth 12 and marner is only worth 9

the difference, like you said, is that Eichel and Matthews got paid to eat up a bunch of UFA years.....Matthews is getting paid the same dollars and can walk for nothing the second he's eligible to be a UFA. he basically bent Dubas over a barrel.....Dubas also made Tavares the 2nd highest paid player in the league.....so why the (frank) would Marner sit there and take a "team discount" when Dubas is handing out massive player friendly deals as if there was no cap
- sensarmy_11

They're not asking for a discount. They arleady offered him MORE than guys that are his comps like kucherov, and he said no.

How is getting paid more than kucherov a discount?

not at all, I'm saying Marner is equally elite. I do that by pointing out some of the "weaknesses" in Matthew's game. they're both elite players....I'm just saying people are insane if they think Matthew's is worth 12 and marner is only worth 9
- sensarmy_11

Or they just view the highest paid NHL players and see the top goal scorers and centres get paid the most?

What is Rantanen worth?

Explain that please. "Can't be fixed" implies the Leafs are stuck with bad contracts. Give us a list of those contracts that can't be moved.

Truth is that Zaitsev's contract is a bit of a turd but otherwise every other meaningful contract on the team is a valuable asset. It's a wealth of riches. If Dubas wants to move a high priced forward other gm's will be tripping over themselves to get in line.

The only problem for the Leafs is that there decade of pooptyness allowed them to load up on elite young talent.

Sucks ...
- The Law

fair enough, the holes can be fixed by trading high priced forwards and creating other holes.

I get it, you guys have lots of high-end talent up front.......and if you think you can win a cup with 50-60% of your cap tied up in 5 or 6 guys, then have at it.

The funny thing is if the Leafs offered Nylander around the league 10 + GMs would want him. Meanwhile non-Leaf fans claim he's got the worst contract

fair enough, the holes can be fixed by trading high priced forwards and creating other holes.

I get it, you guys have lots of high-end talent up front.......and if you think you can win a cup with 50-60% of your cap tied up in 5 or 6 guys, then have at it.
- sensarmy_11

The Blues won the cup. There are many contenders.

fair enough, the holes can be fixed by trading high priced forwards and creating other holes.

I get it, you guys have lots of high-end talent up front.......and if you think you can win a cup with 50-60% of your cap tied up in 5 or 6 guys, then have at it.
- sensarmy_11

The Blues won the cup. There are many contenders.

They're not asking for a discount. They arleady offered him MORE than guys that are his comps like kucherov, and he said no.

How is getting paid more than kucherov a discount?
- burn

we both know that deals signed in Florida aren't comparables that can be used.....and to pretend they are is just stupid.

a deal that has an 8 mil aav in florida is probably a 10-10.5 deal anywhere else.

not at all, I'm saying Marner is equally elite. I do that by pointing out some of the "weaknesses" in Matthew's game. they're both elite players....I'm just saying people are insane if they think Matthew's is worth 12 and marner is only worth 9
- sensarmy_11

Removing your biased exaggerations from the equation I would say that the majority of Leafs fans around here probably think that Matthews would be 12 on an 8 yr deal and Marner would be 10.

On 5 year deals Matthews at 11 and Marner at 9 isn't ridiculous or naive. Matthews got an extra 1/2 Milly and Marner probably does too ....

we both know that deals signed in Florida aren't comparables that can be used.....and to pretend they are is just stupid.

a deal that has an 8 mil aav in florida is probably a 10-10.5 deal anywhere else.
- sensarmy_11

Then explain Ekblad and Callaghan deals?

wow, someone is defensive this morning....wonder why
- sensarmy_11

My flight had to make an emergency landing in Ottawa and now I'm stuck here breathing in fumes from the dumpster fire that is the Senators organization

My flight had to make an emergency landing in Ottawa and now I'm stuck here breathing in fumes from the dumpster fire that is the Senators organization
- poopstash

Just be happy you're there during the 6 weeks of decent weather they get every year.

The funny thing is if the Leafs offered Nylander around the league 10 + GMs would want him. Meanwhile non-Leaf fans claim he's got the worst contract
- RogerRoeper

I actually don't think his contract is that bad........I think it looks that way partly because he kind of poop the bed a little after signing it........but there are WAAAAYYY worst contracts than that.

The funny thing is if the Leafs offered Nylander around the league 10 + GMs would want him. Meanwhile non-Leaf fans claim he's got the worst contract
- RogerRoeper

That's why he is gone after his bonus.
Simply put, impossible to win a cup with approx 50% of your total caphit spent on just 4 players (Matthews 11.6; Tavares 11; Marner 10.5 (for argument's sake); Nylander 6.9 --> 40mln / 81.5 is almost 50%).

The logical solution would then to trade the least out of those 4 players - which would be Nylander (there is really no argument there).

who was the guy I had a bet with regarding Nylander being traded yes/no before start of next season? I better start picking my good cause foundation for your donation soon :D

That's why he is gone after his bonus.
Simply put, impossible to win a cup with approx 50% of your total caphit spent on just 4 players (Matthews 11.6; Tavares 11; Marner 10.5 (for argument's sake); Nylander 6.9 --> 40mln / 81.5 is almost 50%).

The logical solution would then to trade the least out of those 4 players - which would be Nylander (there is really no argument there).

who was the guy I had a bet with regarding Nylander being traded yes/no before start of next season? I better start picking my good cause foundation for your donation soon :D
- MaximusAurelius

I think Nylander could be traded next summer, but it won't be this summery

Then explain Ekblad and Callaghan deals?
- RogerRoeper

Ekblad has a 7.5mln AAV... he's completely right.
look at William Karlson's new contract with LV - 5.9mln (although for a very long term) for a great scoring 2 way offensive player. that's quite a good deal for Vegas. part of that is term, and part of that is tax related.

That is exactly accurate about the Senators franchise..... Our team is a piece of sh!t and a train wreck and has sunk into the gutter of the NHL further than any team in living memory.

I get it, Ottawa's owner is a broke ass POS, and the team is horrible.......... the fact that we hired the cheapest coach that we could find doesn't help our chances of being anything but a bottom feeding team. I troll this site only because I am totally jealous of the Leafs who are loaded with talent while the Sens are fielding a team that would have difficulty competing at the AHL level.
- sensarmy_11

Fixed

I think Nylander could be traded next summer, but it won't be this summery
- RogerRoeper

so leafs are going with

Rielly-Muzzin
Dermott - Holl
Rosen - Liljegren
on D
and Sparks as a backup goalie?

this year not aiming for playoffs?