I think Nylander could be traded next summer, but it won't be this summery
- RogerRoeper

so leafs are going with

Rielly-Muzzin
Dermott - Holl
Rosen - Liljegren
on D
and Sparks as a backup goalie?

this year not aiming for playoffs?

- 21peter

why....do you want to see how many players have better numbers than matthew's, despite being paid significantly less?

you guys are all pissy at people for pointing out the cap mismanagement on your team....when in reality you should be pissed at Dubas for putting your team there in the first place.
- sensarmy_11

Why should we be pissed at Dubas when Lou gave out the 2 worst contracts? You are aware Lou signed the Marleau and Zaitsev deals, right? How is Matthews deal a bigger problem?

so leafs are going with

Rielly-Muzzin
Dermott - Holl
Rosen - Liljegren
on D
and Sparks as a backup goalie?

this year not aiming for playoffs?
- MaximusAurelius

I do think Zaitsev can be moved and that will free-up cap. They will trade for a top 4 RHD

Ekblad has a 7.5mln AAV... he's completely right.
look at William Karlson's new contract with LV - 5.9mln (although for a very long term) for a great scoring 2 way offensive player. that's quite a good deal for Vegas. part of that is term, and part of that is tax related.
- MaximusAurelius

He had no business getting that deal when he signed it. Huge overpay. He proved nothing. Near the same time Rielly signed for 5 per in Toronto.

Why should we be pissed at Dubas when Lou gave out the 2 worst contracts? You are aware Lou signed the Marleau and Zaitsev deals, right? How is Matthews deal a bigger problem?
- RogerRoeper

Do you really think that Lou would have added Marleau, Komarov, Martin (or similar) in current situation? Leafs were bottom in league, with a very very young team and needed some experienced players to form part of a young team.
Lou inherited an even bigger tirefire from previous management, and he did quite well with putting some putting on the Island (Robidas, Lupul), moving one of the worst contracts in nhl history (horton for clarkson) and trading away the negative impact in the locker room (phaneuf, and to a lesser extent kessel) in good deals.
in addition, one of the first things did was add a starting goalie in Andersen.
Kadri, Hyman, Brown, Rielly deals were all really good (great value).
All GMs have some questionable contracts during their tenure, but overall the impact of Lou on this Leafs time was very positive - basically removing most of the garbage and providing a foundation for a young team chance on a few SC runs.

Ya, sure. So Rantanen, Aho and Point should all get 11.5 as well if you were the decision maker. And Pasternak and Draisatl and Eichel and Gaudreau ..etc.... are all underpaid.

Lets wait for the number to come in ....for the record I had the deal at 6 x 9.5.
- The Law

Wishful thinking.

5 x 10.5

Why should we be pissed at Dubas when Lou gave out the 2 worst contracts? You are aware Lou signed the Marleau and Zaitsev deals, right? How is Matthews deal a bigger problem?
- RogerRoeper

I'm still not sure whether Z is worth a 7th or if it's gonna cost a 2nd to get rid of him

Do you really think that Lou would have added Marleau, Komarov, Martin (or similar) in current situation? Leafs were bottom in league, with a very very young team and needed some experienced players to form part of a young team.
Lou inherited an even bigger tirefire from previous management, and he did quite well with putting some putting on the Island (Robidas, Lupul), moving one of the worst contracts in nhl history (horton for clarkson) and trading away the negative impact in the locker room (phaneuf, and to a lesser extent kessel) in good deals.
in addition, one of the first things did was add a starting goalie in Andersen.
Kadri, Hyman, Brown, Rielly deals were all really good (great value).
All GMs have some questionable contracts during their tenure, but overall the impact of Lou on this Leafs time was very positive - basically removing most of the garbage and providing a foundation for a young team chance on a few SC runs.
- MaximusAurelius

Lou didnt make all those trades you are talking about, but keep pumping his tires to try and make Dubas look bad.

He didnt make the Kessel, or Clarkson trades for example.....Dubas actually had more to do with those from what I recall then Lou....

I'm still not sure whether Z is worth a 7th or if it's gonna cost a 2nd to get rid of him
- 21peter

Zaitsev is quite a bit better than a lot of other 3/4 D-men in this league that are on similar contracts. In addition, he is a RHD.

I'm still not sure whether Z is worth a 7th or if it's gonna cost a 2nd to get rid of him
- 21peter

Eh, Vancouver would be smart to grab Zaitsev instead of signing Myers for 7 million+ per.

Lou didnt make all those trades you are talking about, but keep pumping his tires to try and make Dubas look bad.

He didnt make the Kessel, or Clarkson trades for example.....
- Archaic

yes I realise that Lou came in just after that Kessel trade - there was a gap between Nonis and Lou there. My point still stands though.

Do you really think that Lou would have added Marleau, Komarov, Martin (or similar) in current situation? Leafs were bottom in league, with a very very young team and needed some experienced players to form part of a young team.
Lou inherited an even bigger tirefire from previous management, and he did quite well with putting some putting on the Island (Robidas, Lupul), moving one of the worst contracts in nhl history (horton for clarkson) and trading away the negative impact in the locker room (phaneuf, and to a lesser extent kessel) in good deals.
in addition, one of the first things did was add a starting goalie in Andersen.
Kadri, Hyman, Brown, Rielly deals were all really good (great value).
All GMs have some questionable contracts during their tenure, but overall the impact of Lou on this Leafs time was very positive - basically removing most of the garbage and providing a foundation for a young team chance on a few SC runs.
- MaximusAurelius

Lou does have a very bad track record of overpaying for aging supporting guys. That Isles team wil nosedive in the standings.

Zaitsev is quite a bit better than a lot of other 3/4 D-men in this league that are on similar contracts. In addition, he is a RHD.
- MaximusAurelius

the 10 team no trade list doesn't exactly boost his value though...

Lou does have a very bad track record of overpaying for aging supporting guys. That Isles team wil nosedive in the standings.
- RogerRoeper

Yeah some of his signings have been pretty bad so for with the Islanders....I expect them to take a step back this year.

I'm still not sure whether Z is worth a 7th or if it's gonna cost a 2nd to get rid of him
- 21peter

He's worth more than a 7th, but not to every team. Remember, Philly paid over $7 million over a long term deal for Hayes and Benning just traded a possible top ten pick, a third rounder and a back up goalie for a third line plumber that makes $5.25 million a year for the next four years. Plus he's a RHD that can skate well. I would say he can get the Leafs a 3rd to a 5th.

yes I realise that Lou came in just after that Kessel trade - there was a gap between Nonis and Lou there. My point still stands though.
- MaximusAurelius

You just gave Lou credit for trades he didnt make, and your point still stands.

You just gave him credit for getting rid of one of the worst contracts in history as you put it, and Dubas had more to do with that then Lou, but it doesnt matter right?

Yeah some of his signings have been pretty bad so for with the Islanders....I expect them to take a step back this year.
- Archaic

11.5 committed to 2 40 ish point players in their late 20's for the next 5 years thus far this summer.

People concentrate so much on the AAV of the Leafs best players. The trick is to not overpay the Zaitsev and Marleau's of the world. (Or the Eberle's, Komorov's and Nelson's)

the 10 team no trade list doesn't exactly boost his value though...
- 21peter

winnipeg - edmonton - ottawa - calgary - buffalo - carolina - new jersey - minnesota - detroit .. i guess most of these 9 will be on his list (?).

vancouver / anaheim / columbus / nyi biggest options for him?

People concentrate so much on the AAV of the Leafs best players. The trick is to not overpay the Zaitsev and Marleau's of the world. (Or the Eberle's, Komorov's and Nelson's)
- RogerRoeper

I thought the Eberle deal was OK, but the Nelson and Komarov deal as bad. Wondering what he offers Lee/Lehner

Wishful thinking.

5 x 10.5
- hawk35

He's worth it. Speaking of value how about 34 year old boat anchor Seabrook at $6.875 for five more seasons?

updated depth chart for the Leafs
https://www.capfriendly.c...m/depth-charts/mapleleafs

Lou didnt make all those trades you are talking about, but keep pumping his tires to try and make Dubas look bad.

He didnt make the Kessel, or Clarkson trades for example.....Dubas actually had more to do with those from what I recall then Lou....
- Archaic

Kessel - Nonis (Dubas not hired yet)
Clarkson - Nonis (Dubas not hired yet)
Marleau - Lou
Zaitsev -Lou

I thought the Eberle deal was OK, but the Nelson and Komarov deal as bad. Wondering what he offers Lee/Lehner
- Archaic

The problem is that team overachieved so bad bringing back the same guys except with much higher deals won't stop the regression. They won't be #1 in goaltending again.

They have so many average and bad players making big $.