So the Stars thought so much of Pitlick they traded him for nothing but a million in cap space? Sounds like a winning player
- PLindbergh31

You’re truly one of the bright parts of my day.

Who is better, Martin Jones or the eight goaltenders we used last season?
- SuperSchennBros

Stolarz, Hart, Elliot all were better than jones

No Im doing none of the sort, you're missing my point, which is directly related to the cost of Braun. We traded a 2nd and 3rd. Correct. We then traded to re-acquire a 2nd, which only cost us an extra third to do so. So in the end, we traded Braun, as I see it, for 2 3rd's, which I think is more than fair of a trade.


- sjk540

No, I'm not missing the point at all and yes you are. You're making a bad point. The trade to acquire the 2nd round pick at the draft is independent of the Braun trade and has absolutely nothing to do with the Braun trade. To state that it changes the cost for trading for Braun is absurdly ridiculous. They didn't get the 2nd they traded for Braun back!

And again, it can't be dead space if the player you acquired with the larger cap hit is viewed as a necessary part of the plan the GM is putting together. I said irrelevant, because no matter what Player X's cap hit is (in this case Braun) if he as viewed as a piece to the puzzle the GM is putting together, it doesn't matter, especially for a cap hit difference that is less than 2 mil a year.


- sjk540

He is a 32 year old player with one year left on his contract and he is a piece of the puzzle? He may not be on the team in 20/21 when you're carrying that dead cap space. It's not at all irrelevant. It is completely relevant.

Its also not dead cap space if the player is playing, dead cap space would be what we have with A Mac next year.
- sjk540

You're not following along. I clearly stated that part of the cost to acquire Braun is the dead cap space in 20/21. The upcoming season is the 19/20 season.

No, I'm not missing the point at all and yes you are. You're making a bad point. The trade to acquire the 2nd round pick at the draft is independent of the Braun trade and has absolutely nothing to do with the Braun trade. To state that it changes the cost for trading for Braun is absurdly ridiculous. They didn't get the 2nd they traded for Braun back!

here's where your wrong. you have no idea if it is independent or dependent of itself. say going into pick 11, since they did trade Braun, Fletch would like to re-acquire that pick, because as he said they had 3 picks in their top 10, and they could afford the risk. They then do the trade, and get a third back. Who's to say that if the trade is not made, and they keep that 2nd, that Fletcher, thinks he doesn't necessarily have to recoup any picks, and they make a different or same pick at 11?

Who's to say that Cam York wasn't their first name on the board? What if it was Soderstrom or Boldy. The fact is you have zero idea what Fletcher is thinking, and he could have had the 2nd he lost in his mind to try and recoup at the expense of maybe the top guys he wanted. You can say im wrong, you can say its a bad point. The truth remains, you have just as much of an idea of what Fletcher was thinking in making those moves, as anybody else who's a fan, which is no idea.

Being that you haven't gotten a clue (and neither do i Really, this is all opinion), the trade for Braun led to him trading back, which allowed to recoup a 2nd round pick, only at the expense of a third. so in essence two 3rds for Braun.

here's where your wrong. you have no idea if it is independent or dependent of itself. say going into pick 11, since they did trade Braun, Fletch would like to re-acquire that pick, because as he said they had 3 picks in their top 10, and they could afford the risk. They then do the trade, and get a third back. Who's to say that if the trade is not made, and they keep that 2nd, that Fletcher, thinks he doesn't necessarily have to recoup any picks, and they make a different or same pick at 11?

Who's to say that Cam York wasn't their first name on the board? What if it was Soderstrom or Boldy. The fact is you have zero idea what Fletcher is thinking, and he could have had the 2nd he lost in his mind to try and recoup at the expense of maybe the top guys he wanted. You can say im wrong, you can say its a bad point. The truth remains, you have just as much of an idea of what Fletcher was thinking in making those moves, as anybody else who's a fan, which is no idea.

Being that you haven't gotten a clue (and neither do i Really, this is all opinion), the trade for Braun led to him trading back, which allowed to recoup a 2nd round pick, only at the expense of a third. so in essence two 3rds for Braun.
- sjk540

Stating that I have no idea that the trade at the draft is independent of the Braun trade is one of the most ridiculous things I ever read. They're two completely different hockey trades. Both registered independently with the league.
As to your premise, I guess when making the Braun deal, Fletcher knew that a player then wanted would fall into the 2nd round and he'd be able to trade up using a 3rd to acquire a 2nd. He saw this through what, his crystal ball? Tarot cards? A fortune teller? They moved up to draft a player they liked.

Honestly, one of the most ridiculous spins ever posted on Hockeybuzz.

Any word from development camp on who impressed and who just messed?

Stating that I have no idea that the trade at the draft is independent of the Braun trade is one of the most ridiculous things I ever read. They're two completely different hockey trades. Both registered independently with the league.
As to your premise, I guess when making the Braun deal, Fletcher knew that a player then wanted would fall into the 2nd round and he'd be able to trade up using a 3rd to acquire a 2nd. He saw this through what, his crystal ball? Tarot cards? A fortune teller? They moved up to draft a player they liked.

Honestly, one of the most ridiculous spins ever posted on Hockeybuzz.
- MJL

Well now you're getting dramatic about it. It really isn't that bad of a spin to suggest Fletcher made the Braun trade, and because he did in fact make that trade, he made another trade to make up for what he lost in the first. I find nothing ridiculous about that. yeah they are technically two separate hockey trades, but they were done by the same person. Why is it so ridiculous that one was made, and then another one that was made a few days later was done with the loss of the first trade in mind? Not sure why you think its the most ridiculous spins youve ever heard on Hockeybuzz, but thats your opinion.

so the Stars chose not to qualify Hartman because of the arbitration number being too high but still want to sign him. doesn't make sense to me but i'm not a salary cap expert by any means.


nvm i'm an idiot

Tell me I’m misunderstanding this post.

So you’re telling me because Justin Braun played 20 minutes a game and Martin Jones is horrible, is why Justin Braun’s stats last season aren’t good at all?

Even his offensive stats, where Braun went from 33 points to 16? This isn’t forgetting that Braun has only reached 33 once in his career because he doesn’t bring much of any offense.
- SuperSchennBros

Not every dman needs to score. Thats why they come in pairs. If one can play solid D and read plays let the other Dman be the puck moving point producer...which is exactly what fletcher has done. I like our D going into the season. Wait til the young kids take the next step... our D is going to be among the best in the NHL. We got two stop gaps while the kids mature and develop.

Again, I love what fletcher is doing even though he overpaid for braun. He did things ahead of the other teams so he rolled the dice.

I like fletcher so far

Houston Rockets apparently trying to work out a sign and trade for Jimmy Butler...

Houston Rockets apparently trying to work out a sign and trade for Jimmy Butler...
- hereticpride

I know. Its sad. But if he wants to go after the most success he's really ever had as a player, and leave behind a city who clearly embraced him, thats on him. Harden has never made it work with anyone in Houston so good riddance. If we could keep Toby, and do a sign and trade to take back, say Gordon and Capela, id take it. if we have the cap space to do so obv, i am no where cognizant of the NBA cap as much as I am the NHL cap.

I would highly doubt they use Morin in a 7th d spot and not have him playing minutes in the A. I think he may be the first one called up, but shouldn't be up here wasting away in the press box, Hagg can do that. Unless of course someone of the top 6 is moved between now and then, then I'm not sure.

It doesn't change anything no, but if they didn't make the trade originally for Braun, I doubt they then try and get another second. The way I look at it, we traded Braun for 2 thirds, because in the end we only end up with one second (if we dont trade for Braun we have it, if we do trade for him, we trade back, then use a 3rd with whatever second we have, to trade up for Brink). The cap space is irrelevant to me as adding a player who I believe will help the entire d corps in general (in terms of where everyone slots, balancing out LH from RH, needing a vet who also has historically been good in his own zone) is worth the 1.9 million.

Also as an edit, i didnt mean Myers, I did mean Ghost and Sanheim, Id be happy with whoever they put him with, and the other would obviously play with Myers. I like the idea of a Provy Nisky top line.
- sjk540

I dont believe Morin is waiver exempt anymore. He would get claimed as a reclamation project by some team and we would lose him, right?

I dont believe Morin is waiver exempt anymore. He would get claimed as a reclamation project by some team and we would lose him, right?
- sILKAsSINASALO

Ah, yes, if that is the case then we cannot afford to send him through waivers. It's a shame he hasn't either been fully healthy or been eclipsed by dmen like AMac, Nick Schultz, Brandon Manning, Evgeny Medvedev, and to a lesser extent Johnny Oduya and Christian Folin. And now, unless we make a move, behind our projected top 6 AND Hagg, there doesn't seem to be room for him, barring an injury or a trade as i mentioned.

Ah, yes, if that is the case then we cannot afford to send him through waivers. It's a shame he hasn't either been fully healthy or been eclipsed by dmen like AMac, Nick Schultz, Brandon Manning, Evgeny Medvedev, and to a lesser extent Johnny Oduya and Christian Folin. And now, unless we make a move, behind our projected top 6 AND Hagg, there doesn't seem to be room for him, barring an injury or a trade as i mentioned.
- sjk540

I had high hopes for that kid. Its a shame he got injured and missed so much time... now he is kind of stuck where he is and I dojt rhink the flyers brass want to risk letting him go before he even got a chance to play. I know I dojt want the flyers to let him go before we know what we have.
He can't be a bust if hes never been healthy enough to play. I guess he will sink or swim this upcoming season..his trade cue isnt worth anything so the situation just is what it is, unfortunately

I had high hopes for that kid. Its a shame he got injured and missed so much time... now he is kind of stuck where he is and I dojt rhink the flyers brass want to risk letting him go before he even got a chance to play. I know I dojt want the flyers to let him go before we know what we have.
He can't be a bust if hes never been healthy enough to play. I guess he will sink or swim this upcoming season..his trade cue isnt worth anything so the situation just is what it is, unfortunately
- sILKAsSINASALO

Not only do I believe (barring injury) Morin breaks the top 6 this upcoming season, I think he becomes the physical monster we need on the blueline. He is going to open many eyes.

Stolarz, Hart, Elliot all were better than jones
- Richieattack18

No they weren’t and they didn’t play enough games between the three of them to prove you right.

Not only do I believe (barring injury) Morin breaks the top 6 this upcoming season, I think he becomes the physical monster we need on the blueline. He is going to open many eyes.
- MBFlyerfan

I agree with you 100%.

This kid has the size and potential to be a beast back there. He has been waiting years to prove himself. I expect big things from Morin this season. We havent had someone like this on the blue line since pronger.
I'm not comparing him to pronger before someone plays that card... he is just a big boy and has a mean streak, something this squad lacks

I agree with you 100%.

This kid has the size and potential to be a beast back there. He has been waiting years to prove himself. I expect big things from Morin this season. We havent had someone like this on the blue line since pronger.
I'm not comparing him to pronger before someone plays that card... he is just a big boy and has a mean streak, something this squad lacks
- sILKAsSINASALO

Plus he is 23 and will be 24 by the time the season starts. He will have something to prove and hopefully some maturity born of adversity that will also help him along.

Not only do I believe (barring injury) Morin breaks the top 6 this upcoming season, I think he becomes the physical monster we need on the blueline. He is going to open many eyes.
- MBFlyerfan

Dude this would be best case scenario and i would love it if he pushes a vet out of there. Don't get me wrong, I love the Nisky and Braun trades, but Braun's up next year, and Nisky the year after. I mean, I also would love to see what Myers has and I liked what I saw, but maybe it's easier to keep him in the A, let him play another year there, which should keep RFA negotiations down next year to help save the cap, and then bring him up when Braun is gone?

What I do know is that I am much more curious to see Morin on the Flyers than I am see what we already know Hagg is. I could see Morin play with Sanheim who would be on his right side, as he seemed to really take it and run when he played with Provy towards the end of last year. Then Ghost would be with Braun and Provy and Nisky as our top pairing.

Plus he is 23 and will be 24 by the time the season starts. He will have something to prove and hopefully some maturity born of adversity that will also help him along.
- MBFlyerfan

I'm glad other people havent given up on him. People keep calling him a bust but I think this kid will be a beast especially with that chip on his shoulder this year. You know he is waiting to win the crowd over with a monster hit and smear someone across the boards! Well that's what I'm waiting for, anyway

Joe West as terrible as ever. How is this bozo still an ump?

I'm glad other people havent given up on him. People keep calling him a bust but I think this kid will be a beast especially with that chip on his shoulder this year. You know he is waiting to win the crowd over with a monster hit and smear someone across the boards! Well that's what I'm waiting for, anyway
- sILKAsSINASALO

All I know is that every time he gets a chance to play he plays a strong game. I still think he was the one who deserved to make the team 2 seasons ago.

I know. Its sad. But if he wants to go after the most success he's really ever had as a player, and leave behind a city who clearly embraced him, thats on him. Harden has never made it work with anyone in Houston so good riddance. If we could keep Toby, and do a sign and trade to take back, say Gordon and Capela, id take it. if we have the cap space to do so obv, i am no where cognizant of the NBA cap as much as I am the NHL cap.
- sjk540

The money in the NBA is about the most complicated thing in sports. I don't get it either. But if the Sixers are giving him the big contract and dealing him I hope they get something useful in return.

Dude this would be best case scenario and i would love it if he pushes a vet out of there. Don't get me wrong, I love the Nisky and Braun trades, but Braun's up next year, and Nisky the year after. I mean, I also would love to see what Myers has and I liked what I saw, but maybe it's easier to keep him in the A, let him play another year there, which should keep RFA negotiations down next year to help save the cap, and then bring him up when Braun is gone?

What I do know is that I am much more curious to see Morin on the Flyers than I am see what we already know Hagg is. I could see Morin play with Sanheim who would be on his right side, as he seemed to really take it and run when he played with Provy towards the end of last year. Then Ghost would be with Braun and Provy and Nisky as our top pairing.
- sjk540

I like all of this!!
We have a good goalie and solid D in philly... times are definitely changing!
I'm excited to watch these kids grow. Nisky is going to be a bigger help than most people realize. He is on the twil end of his career but he has a plethora of knowledge to help the young kids, which was such a smart move by fletch. Take the pressure off them and let them have fun playing and developing. Having a winning culture will go a long way and I'm liking what fletch is doing and I was NOT a fletcher fan at first.
Man all of these parings sound great! We really can't go wrong and if chemistry isnt there it's so easy to switch up the pairings.
I can't help but wonder what fletcher's love for braun is, though. I understand the reasoning behind it but not the price tag

I like all of this!!
We have a good goalie and solid D in philly... times are definitely changing!
I'm excited to watch these kids grow. Nisky is going to be a bigger help than most people realize. He is on the twil end of his career but he has a plethora of knowledge to help the young kids, which was such a smart move by fletch. Take the pressure off them and let them have fun playing and developing. Having a winning culture will go a long way and I'm liking what fletch is doing and I was NOT a fletcher fan at first.
Man all of these parings sound great! We really can't go wrong and if chemistry isnt there it's so easy to switch up the pairings.
I can't help but wonder what fletcher's love for braun is, though. I understand the reasoning behind it but not the price tag
- sILKAsSINASALO

this to the moon!

Having these veterans just being a part of the corps and being in the room and in practice every day, teaching and showing them the way to play, i think will do wonders. these guys also will hold people accountable, which i think will go a long way towards those stinkers that popped up every once in a while, the 6-0's and the 5-1's. I think Giroux is a fine Captain, and he does have Voracek and Coots, but they can't do it all on their own and there was no one on the backend to be the "voice" if you will. I think Niskanen is going to do a whole lot more for the entire blue line then just his play/stats.

I do know paying that much for Braun is a bit much, but what I think he will do for our dmen in their own end, and being a first and foremost defensive defenseman, will be worth the overpay, even if only for a year.