The moves have already determined it will be reduced. As of right now you have a top 4 of Provorov, Niskanen, Sanheim and Bruan.

If that holds up Gostisbehere is most likely playing with Myers and I am not sure that is a great pairing as i think that will limit Myers offensive game.

The Flyers seem to have a plan of a more stay at home guy with a guy that can get offensive.
- J35Bacher

I think Ghost if he’s not traded will still get his ice time.

He may start the game at 5v5 with Myers on the 3rd pair, but that’s a pretty good 3rd pair that potentially could play more minutes then some guys who have to be sheltered more.

Ghost will get significant pp time.

If they are trailing in a game Ghost may be spotted time with Sanheim and or Provy to push the offense.

He won’t be a 10 minute per game player, closer to 16+ I think.

I didn't say it was. And maybe he does.

But they are also putting it together with a idea of what they might like.
- J35Bacher

Sure you did when you said this!

"The moves have already determined it will be reduced".

agree but Fletch used a lot of core cap space in getting Hayes and used some significant short term cap space in the 2 D deals. Without the Braun signing maybe they could have gotten Sanheim signed for 5 yrs at 5 something per season which would look great those last 3 seasons. He had no choice but short bridge deal. It’s not terrible the way Sanheim’s deal got done but I believe he’s a stud and going to be a core guy and would have preferred a longer deal. We’ll see.
- Marc D

I get that but i also think your paying for a little more certainty. He wanted to make sure it was covered and not hoped.

We don't know if Sanheim wanted a long term deal. Maybe he sees how betting on himself could lead to something bigger in two years.

We are aware that Justin Braun is coming off less then impressive season, right? At the moment playing Braun over any young players including Hagg or Morin would be a mistake.
- SuperSchennBros

Why is that?

When he is healthy and proves he deserves the spot. Braun has proven his spot.
- Richieattack18

Just let him make the same post he’s made 70 times already.

Morin was drafted 6 years ago and he's played 8 NHL games. When is he going to be a regular in the Flyers lineup? When he's 30?
- PLindbergh31

I honestly think Morin will never play for the flyers regularly, they took a chance drafting him where they did and with his injuries it will be a case of a first round draft choice that never panned out. I believe he will be traded somewhere in the near future.

Agree. I didn't mind the Niskanen trade, but the Braun trade seems unneccesary to me.
- jmatchett383

I think they felt Braun was an upgrade to Hagg and brings some intangibles and is RH, but it is still a head scratcher of a deal from the assets traded to does he really fill a need to the short term cap cost. I like Braun, he really got a ton of the tough match ups for San Jose with Dillon and Vlassic. He’s going to help them, but it was maybe not necessary

Just let him make the same post he’s made 70 times already.
- Ftown19125

75 times Waldo. Holmgren went out with a bang didn't he? Shall we look at the players drafted after Morin in that draft or nah?

I honestly think Morin will never play for the flyers regularly, they took a chance drafting him where they did and with his injuries it will be a case of a first round draft choice that never panned out. I believe he will be traded somewhere in the near future.
- Daceroni

Certainly trending that way. Sorry, but you can't take "projects" with first round picks in the top 15.

75 times Waldo. Holmgren went out with a bang didn't he? Shall we look at the players drafted after Morin in that draft or nah?
- PLindbergh31

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Sure you did when you said this!

"The moves have already determined it will be reduced".
- MJL

Yes. I said it.

Did the Flyers acquire Braun and Niskanen to play in the top 4?

Based off the comments i have seen and the premise of these aquisitions, i have hypothesized that both will be handling major minutes in the top 4 with Sanheim and Provorov as stadying partners for guys with offensive skills.

Could Gostisbehere play in the top 4, yes but i don't believe the moves were made with that as the idea.

I think they felt Braun was an upgrade to Hagg and brings some intangibles and is RH, but it is still a head scratcher of a deal from the assets traded to does he really fill a need to the short term cap cost. I like Braun, he really got a ton of the tough match ups for San Jose with Dillon and Vlassic. He’s going to help them, but it was maybe not necessary
- Marc D

Everything is about perspective. If you're a fan that wants to see the team improved immediately then Fletcher has done a nice job in that regard. If you're thinking more long term and about the future then maybe some of the moves weren't that smart. It's pretty clear to me that the Flyers are back in the mode of worrying about the future later and do whatever you can to win now. That doesn't mean they're going to completely abandon drafting and developing but they're certainly willing to take some risks.

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- Ftown19125

the losing continues ZzZzZz.........

Certainly trending that way. Sorry, but you can't take "projects" with first round picks in the top 15.
- PLindbergh31

But the reason he hasn't played isn't because of development. He got hurt.

You can't forecast that. He was trending in the right direction.

the losing continues ZzZzZz.........
- PLindbergh31

Struggling for new material.

Would have loved something like that Soderberg trade over the Hayes extension.

I get that but i also think your paying for a little more certainty. He wanted to make sure it was covered and not hoped.

We don't know if Sanheim wanted a long term deal. Maybe he sees how betting on himself could lead to something bigger in two years.
- J35Bacher

I’m mostly a big fan of Fletcher so far and am excited to watch them next year. The D and PK should be much improved and hopefully Hart progresses and not have a sideways or backward season. How Fletcher does with the backup goalie and the 3 RFAs will be very big. I think they are set to compete at the top of the metro if things fall into place. I don’t think they are a borderline team anymore.

and you are right about Sanheim, he may not have wanted a longer deal and will go for a bigger pay day on the next contract.

Yes. I said it.

Did the Flyers acquire Braun and Niskanen to play in the top 4?

Based off the comments i have seen and the premise of these aquisitions, i have hypothesized that both will be handling major minutes in the top 4 with Sanheim and Provorov as stadying partners for guys with offensive skills.

Could Gostisbehere play in the top 4, yes but i don't believe the moves were made with that as the idea.
- J35Bacher

So I'm confused, you said it or didn't say it? You've been a fan for how long? You have to know that plans are fluid and it doesn't always work out that way. I'll reinforce my premise which has been true since the beginning of time. Ice time is earned on the ice. If Gostisbehere plays like he did during the 17/18 season, his ice time will be high. If he plays like he did in 18/19, it will be lower.

Everything is about perspective. If you're a fan that wants to see the team improved immediately then Fletcher has done a nice job in that regard. If you're thinking more long term and about the future then maybe some of the moves weren't that smart. It's pretty clear to me that the Flyers are back in the mode of worrying about the future later and do whatever you can to win now. That doesn't mean they're going to completely abandon drafting and developing but they're certainly willing to take some risks.
- MJL

I don’t disagree with you on this. I’m optimistic but I don’t like not having cap flexibility either.

75 times Waldo. Holmgren went out with a bang didn't he? Shall we look at the players drafted after Morin in that draft or nah?
- PLindbergh31

Uh, other than Max Domi and Shea Theodore there really isnt much

Everything is about perspective. If you're a fan that wants to see the team improved immediately then Fletcher has done a nice job in that regard. If you're thinking more long term and about the future then maybe some of the moves weren't that smart. It's pretty clear to me that the Flyers are back in the mode of worrying about the future later and do whatever you can to win now. That doesn't mean they're going to completely abandon drafting and developing but they're certainly willing to take some risks.
- MJL

It is false. Are Braun and Niskannen long term moves? They are moves that will help right the ship and point it in the right direction. Which was sorely needed. The defense and pk needed help. He acquired said help without at all endangering any future plans. He had to improve the team immediately as they just were not good. He did so in a very smart way imo. This isn't a case of lets go for it all and try to win now by any means

Now you want to say Hayes was a bad move, thats a valid argument. Though then again he filled a glaring need and hayes is only 27 not the other side of 30.

I’m mostly a big fan of Fletcher so far and am excited to watch them next year. The D and PK should be much improved and hopefully Hart progresses and not have a sideways or backward season. How Fletcher does with the backup goalie and the 3 RFAs will be very big. I think they are set to compete at the top of the metro if things fall into place. I don’t think they are a borderline team anymore.

and you are right about Sanheim, he may not have wanted a longer deal and will go for a bigger pay day on the next contract.
- Marc D

Fletcher 8 years as Wild GM.

2 DNQ for playoffs
4 first round exits

Never got a team out of the second round.
Does that mean he will be awful in Philly? Not necessarily, but what makes you confident the results will be different?

So I'm confused, you said it or didn't say it? You've been a fan for how long? You have to know that plans are fluid and it doesn't always work out that way. I'll reinforce my premise which has been true since the beginning of time. Ice time is earned on the ice. If Gostisbehere plays like he did during the 17/18 season, his ice time will be high. If he plays like he did in 18/19, it will be lower.
- MJL

What are you confused about? I said yes, i said it.

But you talk about fluid and yet you keep saying the flyers are this team that is worrying about the future later? You know there is fluidity in that too.

I understand how ice time is earned. but I also understand at this point, they seem to have a plan of Bruan and Niskanen in the top 4 with Provorov and Sanheim.

If things are going well, then i wouldn't anticipate changes unless someone is hurt.

My opinion, which you don't seem to understand is mine, is that his ice time could be limited with the signings so i am not sure he'll get back to the point total where we think.

If that's the case i think a smart hockey trade can be made with Gostisbehere.

Uh, other than Max Domi and Shea Theodore there really isnt much
- bulet13

If I check how many players drafted after him have more than 8 NHL games played, and 0 points how many will I find?

It is false. Are Braun and Niskannen long term moves? They are moves that will help right the ship and point it in the right direction. Which was sorely needed. The defense and pk needed help. He acquired said help without at all endangering any future plans. He had to improve the team immediately as they just were not good. He did so in a very smart way imo. This isn't a case of lets go for it all and try to win now by any means

Now you want to say Hayes was a bad move, thats a valid argument. Though then again he filled a glaring need and hayes is only 27 not the other side of 30.
- daryl stanley[/quote]


They also could have looked ahead and saw that maybe the future free agent classes are not classes they would really be playing in so signing Hayes now isn't hurting their future.