Fletcher 8 years as Wild GM.

2 DNQ for playoffs
4 first round exits

Never got a team out of the second round.
Does that mean he will be awful in Philly? Not necessarily, but what makes you confident the results will be different?
- PLindbergh31

They were capped out, were good for one stupid TDL deal per year, gave out NMC's like candy, and still couldn't get out of the 1st-round. It's pretty sad.

State of Hockey my ass.

I think he can move the bar a lot.

By not overplaying G and Couts, and improving the PK and slotting Patrick to 3C, that should add up to tangible wins.

They match up much better against teams with the center depth.

He’s a valuable piece for them, even not being a #1 C.

Lack of more then one or two scoring lines has really hurt them. They should have 3 this year and for the short term future.
- Marc D

Players like Panarin or if he can stay healthy Karlsson are players that move the bar a lot. A player like Hayes helps you and makes you better but I don't think he moves the bar a lot.

Frankly I think it is insane to trade Ghost. Not only that, it is even more insane that the acquisition of Braun, a guy here on a one year deal who doesn't figure in to the long term plans of this team, is part of why that may happen.

On top of that, With Ghost's contract being as good as it is, coupled with the cap issues this team has, you are not going to get value back for what Ghost is worth in a trade for a forward.

Can't be for Niskanen because someone ELSE would have to go too to make the cap work...now you are looking at two ROSTER players lost for Braun...

Who are some good forwards available at around 4.5 or less for the next 4 seasons who are also available for trade?

Normally Ghost should be able to get a damned good player in return, but he isn't because of the cap....
- MBFlyerfan

Thank you for this.

Only difference maker in free agency. There are also trades. The Devils just gave up a load of trash for PK Subban. I understand he might not be a 9 million dollar dman anymore, but he's still damn good. If the Flyers didn't make the Niskanen/Braun trades could this been on the table for them? It's possible. I'll tell you this I'd rather have Subban than Niskanen and Braun.
- PLindbergh31

Maybe the GM looks at Provy, Sanheim, Ghost Myers and thinks this is a pretty good core of young guys, and Niskanen and Braun are a better compliment then PK. Plus 9m x 3 more years is tough, Braun is off in one and Nisky in 2 years.

I love PK and him as a Flyer would have been fun. But maybe it’s a not a fit?

Frankly I think it is insane to trade Ghost. Not only that, it is even more insane that the acquisition of Braun, a guy here on a one year deal who doesn't figure in to the long term plans of this team, is part of why that may happen.

On top of that, With Ghost's contract being as good as it is, coupled with the cap issues this team has, you are not going to get value back for what Ghost is worth in a trade for a forward.

Can't be for Niskanen because someone ELSE would have to go too to make the cap work...now you are looking at two ROSTER players lost for Braun...

Who are some good forwards available at around 4.5 or less for the next 4 seasons who are also available for trade?

Normally Ghost should be able to get a damned good player in return, but he isn't because of the cap....
- MBFlyerfan

But one D-man needs to go.Clearly Ghost will get a better return then Hagg

But one D-man needs to go.Clearly Ghost will get a better return then Hagg
- goenzoy

Did you even read what he wrote?

On top of that, With Ghost's contract being as good as it is, coupled with the cap issues this team has, you are not going to get value back for what Ghost is worth in a trade for a forward.

Maybe the GM looks at Provy, Sanheim, Ghost Myers and thinks this is a pretty good core of young guys, and Niskanen and Braun are a better compliment then PK. Plus 9m x 3 more years is tough, Braun is off in one and Nisky in 2 years.

I love PK and him as a Flyer would have been fun. But maybe it’s a not a fit?
- Marc D

I would rather they did Subban + adding a center at a reasonable number then bring in Hayes (for that term) + trading for Niskanen and Braun.

Subban
Provorov
Sanheim
Ghost
Myers
Gudas

I kinda like that.

Frankly I think it is insane to trade Ghost. Not only that, it is even more insane that the acquisition of Braun, a guy here on a one year deal who doesn't figure in to the long term plans of this team, is part of why that may happen.

On top of that, With Ghost's contract being as good as it is, coupled with the cap issues this team has, you are not going to get value back for what Ghost is worth in a trade for a forward.

Can't be for Niskanen because someone ELSE would have to go too to make the cap work...now you are looking at two ROSTER players lost for Braun...

Who are some good forwards available at around 4.5 or less for the next 4 seasons who are also available for trade?

Normally Ghost should be able to get a damned good player in return, but he isn't because of the cap....
- MBFlyerfan

If they trade ghost for less then a home run return then the whole off season turns to rubble for me.

Only difference maker in free agency. There are also trades. The Devils just gave up a load of trash for PK Subban. I understand he might not be a 9 million dollar dman anymore, but he's still damn good. If the Flyers didn't make the Niskanen/Braun trades could this been on the table for them? It's possible. I'll tell you this I'd rather have Subban than Niskanen and Braun.
- PLindbergh31

Who do you think is a better fit for where the flyers are at today Niskannen or Subban?

I would rather they did Subban + adding a center at a reasonable number then bring in Hayes (for that term) + trading for Niskanen and Braun.

Subban
Provorov
Sanheim
Ghost
Myers
Gudas

I kinda like that.
- PLindbergh31

Probably could have just done Gudas plus the second and third that went to Braun , add a prospect too

Frankly I think it is insane to trade Ghost. Not only that, it is even more insane that the acquisition of Braun, a guy here on a one year deal who doesn't figure in to the long term plans of this team, is part of why that may happen.

On top of that, With Ghost's contract being as good as it is, coupled with the cap issues this team has, you are not going to get value back for what Ghost is worth in a trade for a forward.

Can't be for Niskanen because someone ELSE would have to go too to make the cap work...now you are looking at two ROSTER players lost for Braun...

Who are some good forwards available at around 4.5 or less for the next 4 seasons who are also available for trade?

Normally Ghost should be able to get a damned good player in return, but he isn't because of the cap....
- MBFlyerfan[/quote

I dont think if they trade Ghost it has anything at all to do with acquiring Braun. The decision on Ghost has already been made, with or without Braun imo

Players like Panarin or if he can stay healthy Karlsson are players that move the bar a lot. A player like Hayes helps you and makes you better but I don't think he moves the bar a lot.
- MJL

I don't think Hayes personally moves the bar a lot but I do think him being here moves the bar for other players, it creates much better matchups while adding a quality, big body center to the top six. IF all that holds true, then it is a good bit.


I Panarin but he is not a center and Karlsson wasn't really an option.

Who do you think is a better fit for where the flyers are at today Niskannen or Subban?
- daryl stanley

Also Nashville didn't want money coming back as they want to make a play for Duchene possibly and also need to re up Josi long term.

But one D-man needs to go.Clearly Ghost will get a better return then Hagg
- goenzoy

Not when you factor in value. We are going to get hosed on a Ghost trade. Even if he brings back a better player than Hagg would.

We didn't need Braun. It was a dumb trade and its going to cost us a good young defenseman for one season of an old guy who isn't in the long term plans of the team.

Who do you think is a better fit for where the flyers are at today Niskannen or Subban?
- daryl stanley

Provorov/Subban
Sanheim/Ghost
Hagg/Myers

Looks mighty sexy to me.

Maybe the GM looks at Provy, Sanheim, Ghost Myers and thinks this is a pretty good core of young guys, and Niskanen and Braun are a better compliment then PK. Plus 9m x 3 more years is tough, Braun is off in one and Nisky in 2 years.

I love PK and him as a Flyer would have been fun. But maybe it’s a not a fit?
- Marc D

bingo

I think Ghost if he’s not traded will still get his ice time.

He may start the game at 5v5 with Myers on the 3rd pair, but that’s a pretty good 3rd pair that potentially could play more minutes then some guys who have to be sheltered more.

Ghost will get significant pp time.

If they are trailing in a game Ghost may be spotted time with Sanheim and or Provy to push the offense.

He won’t be a 10 minute per game player, closer to 16+ I think.
- Marc D

if he's playing well in this time, team is in good shape.

Provorov/Subban
Sanheim/Ghost
Hagg/Myers

Looks mighty sexy to me.
- Tomahawk

is it a better fit?

I don't think Hayes personally moves the bar a lot but I do think him being here moves the bar for other players, it creates much better matchups while adding a quality, big body center to the top six. IF all that holds true, then it is a good bit.


I Panarin but he is not a center and Karlsson wasn't really an option.
- wcorvette

Hayes moves the bar for our team because we may not have gotten similar production form another center. We can get honest production from our wingers, but the center depth is where the bar is moved. Helps a lot more through our lineup than adding a wing.

is it a better fit?
- daryl stanley

Do Braun and Niskanen fit? We don't know, stop asking about fit.

I don't think Hayes personally moves the bar a lot but I do think him being here moves the bar for other players, it creates much better matchups while adding a quality, big body center to the top six. IF all that holds true, then it is a good bit.


I Panarin but he is not a center and Karlsson wasn't really an option.
- wcorvette

That is the plus of adding some vets. It does potentially help the young players in supporting them and taking on some of the hard minutes.

is it a better fit?
- daryl stanley

Of course. They want somebody who's RH, who's a vet, and can soak a ton of minutes alongside Provorov? Subban is perfect.

Did you even read what he wrote?




- Tomahawk

Yes I did but it is still possible to get something valuable without cap issue
Remember Brayden Schenn got us 2 First-round picks

Who do you think is a better fit for where the flyers are at today Niskannen or Subban?
- daryl stanley

What do you mean for where the Flyers are today?

Not when you factor in value. We are going to get hosed on a Ghost trade. Even if he brings back a better player than Hagg would.

We didn't need Braun. It was a dumb trade and its going to cost us a good young defenseman for one season of an old guy who isn't in the long term plans of the team.
- MBFlyerfan

If I see that Gostisbehere does get traded, I'm just going to assume that they decided before adding Braun that they were going to look to trade him and were just going to take their time to find the right deal.