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Forums :: Blog World :: Peter Tessier: Bargain Shopping on UFA day for the Winnipeg Jets
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BWJumper
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Jul 1 @ 3:19 PM ET
It's pretty safe to say that the next lockout will be because of the owners wanting to get rid of the signing bonuses.
Tommycasino
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.30.2018

Jul 1 @ 3:23 PM ET
I too am looking forward to the Jets "draft and develop" model for their defense, which should only take 3 to 4 years to complete.
- BWJumper




Ha ha Nice šŸ‘šŸ» šŸ˜œ!
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jul 1 @ 3:55 PM ET
Overpay. How do you always do this? Stop trading Lowry
- Rexypoo

How is that an overpay? Would you honestly say that Lowry, Ehlers and a first is worth more than Mark Scheifele? Ehlers not Lowry have ever averaged a ppg or have the ability to carry their own lines. Something that Aho does.

The Jets should have offered him the offer sheet!
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jul 1 @ 3:56 PM ET
110 goals in 3-seasons, look at the comparables in that time frame. Itā€™s filled with guys that are making over 10mil. Austin Matthews (11.6mil) is a direct comparable at 111 goals. Yes, more points & plays centre, therefore Laine will make less, but not that much less & Matthews didnā€™t sacrifice UFA years.
- foxbat

Enjoy that contract. He is an average 60 point player and you want to pay him 10? Wow!!!!!

Laine is Jimmy Carson v2.0.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jul 1 @ 3:59 PM ET
Yep Bergeron with that offer sheet did Chevy a solid.

If Chevy gets these guys longer term at under 15 million combined it's a bloody steal.

So far i like the sidelines view and getting Beaulieu for 1 million is fine. I'm not content with the defence as it is now but I am thinking it gets better and that after this initial storm there might be a deal to bring in some help.

Copp, Lowry Vesalainen seems nice to me.

Glad for Tanev, that's what you work for I'm just happy it's not Winnipeg on the other side of that deal.

Myers' deal is well- something only Jim Benning could create and that's the work of a deranged sorcerer. Have fun with that one.

- Peter.Tessier


It appears that Bergevin likes Finns as much as Chevy. Both guys worked together and it appear they both have Finnish fetishes!
foxbat
Joined: 06.30.2016

Jul 1 @ 4:01 PM ET
Enjoy that contract. He is an average 60 point player and you want to pay him 10? Wow!!!!!

Laine is Jimmy Carson v2.0.

- TheUltimateJet


I think you need to read a little closer, at no point did I say that ā€˜Iā€™ want to pay him 10mil or that ā€˜Iā€™ think heā€™s worth that. In fact, anything over 9mil in my personal opinion is an over-payment. What Iā€™m doing here is providing rational as to what may happen & as fans we shouldnā€™t be surprised if it does. Wow!
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jul 1 @ 4:13 PM ET
I think you need to read a little closer, at no point did I say that ā€˜Iā€™ want to pay him 10mil or that ā€˜Iā€™ think heā€™s worth that. In fact, anything over 9mil in my personal opinion is an over-payment. What Iā€™m doing here is providing rational as to what may happen & as fans we shouldnā€™t be surprised if it does. Wow!
- foxbat

If it does happen, Chevelsummeroff needs to resign immediately!
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Jul 1 @ 4:26 PM ET
Stupid Money -

- Bobrovsky 7 yrs @ 10 MM per . As we've seen with Price , goalies can go hot and cold.

-Panarin . @ approx 11.75 for 7 years. Seriously stupid. In my estimate he's not worth a dime over $8 MM

Reasonable value

- Myers and Stralman are top four Dmen and were gotten for $6 MM per and $5.5 MM. They can play all aspects of the game well.

Good value :

Timo Meier 4 yrs @ 6 MM per is good value for a workhorse guy who shows up every night, can score , great vision, and play all aspects of the game well.

Possibly Zuccarello also at $6 MM per.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Jul 1 @ 4:39 PM ET
Also, IMHO I think Laine get's bridged at around $7 MM max for 2-3 years and Connor gets signed long term at a similar figure. Copp might sign for around the number that Lowry signed for +/- a few hundred thousand.

I also believe Chevy will want to have some cap to spare for the trade deadline .

Now with Par Linholm also gone we might have to put up with Perreault for one more year. I think it's pretty obvious though that Chevy would have tried to unload him before July 1st and had no takers. Unfortunate.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Jul 1 @ 4:44 PM ET
I got my wishes of losing Enstrom, Postma and Dano....so why not grant Rexy a few wishes.
- bennythehat


I have my wishes as well but these cases were more about being a poor judge of talent. No team bit on Enstrom , and Postma and Dano were total busts. Tanev got a huge contract upgrade and Myers also got a pay upgrade. Ultimately, results speak for themselves.
Byfuglien Ate Me
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burger King
Joined: 09.24.2010

Jul 1 @ 4:59 PM ET
Yep Bergeron with that offer sheet did Chevy a solid.

If Chevy gets these guys longer term at under 15 million combined it's a bloody steal.

So far i like the sidelines view and getting Beaulieu for 1 million is fine. I'm not content with the defence as it is now but I am thinking it gets better and that after this initial storm there might be a deal to bring in some help.

Copp, Lowry Vesalainen seems nice to me.

Glad for Tanev, that's what you work for I'm just happy it's not Winnipeg on the other side of that deal.

Myers' deal is well- something only Jim Benning could create and that's the work of a deranged sorcerer. Have fun with that one.

- Peter.Tessier





He looks the part.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jul 1 @ 5:00 PM ET
I have my wishes as well but these cases were more about being a poor judge of talent. No team bit on Enstrom , and Postma and Dano were total busts. Tanev got a huge contract upgrade and Myers also got a pay upgrade. Ultimately, results speak for themselves.
- jetsnation

Ladd, alzner, lucic,......should I go on? Results speak of idiot GMā€™s more often than what a player is actually worth.
Byfuglien Ate Me
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burger King
Joined: 09.24.2010

Jul 1 @ 5:01 PM ET
Enjoy that contract. He is an average 60 point player and you want to pay him 10? Wow!!!!!

Laine is Jimmy Carson v2.0.

- TheUltimateJet



Carson is an interesting comparison. Iā€™m guessing you think heā€™s going to bust and fizzle out like Jimmy did?
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jul 1 @ 5:07 PM ET
Carson is an interesting comparison. Iā€™m guessing you think heā€™s going to bust and fizzle out like Jimmy did?
- Byfuglien Ate Me

I truly believe this! I am hoping I am wrong, but there is nothing in Laine's games that suggests that he is ready to take a massive step forward.

He is unable to elevate line mates, possession numbers are on the decline. His forcheck and backcheck need improving. He does not generate his own offence and needs players to get him the puck. His skating needs improvement. Outside of having a nice shot, what else does he realistically bring to the team. He has also been unable to create any chemistry with anyone.

Furthermore the only Jet that is under threat of an offer sheet is Connor. No one will offer sheet Laine. This proves that other GM's don't value him very highly either.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jul 1 @ 5:08 PM ET
I have my wishes as well but these cases were more about being a poor judge of talent. No team bit on Enstrom , and Postma and Dano were total busts. Tanev got a huge contract upgrade and Myers also got a pay upgrade. Ultimately, results speak for themselves.
- jetsnation

Hey Jetsnation, I am sad losing Myers. I now need a new Jets jersey. Who would suggest I put on the next one?
Byfuglien Ate Me
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burger King
Joined: 09.24.2010

Jul 1 @ 5:10 PM ET
I truly believe this! I am hoping I am wrong, but there is nothing in Laine's games that suggests that he is ready to take a massive step forward.

He is unable to elevate line mates, possession numbers are on the decline. His forcheck and backcheck need improving. He does not generate his own offence and needs players to get him the puck. His skating needs improvement. Outside of having a nice shot, what else does he realistically bring to the team. He has also been unable to create any chemistry with anyone.

- TheUltimateJet



I canā€™t argue your points. Heā€™s talented. Big body but doesnā€™t really use it so....


He has value because he scores goals. Chevy needs to capitalize on that value.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jul 1 @ 5:12 PM ET
I canā€™t argue your points. Heā€™s talented. Big body but doesnā€™t really use it so....


He has value because he scores goals. Chevy needs to capitalize on that value.

- Byfuglien Ate Me


Also, how come no other GM is threatening to offer sheet Laine. Only Connor seems to be under that threat. Other GM's also recognize his true value.
Byfuglien Ate Me
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burger King
Joined: 09.24.2010

Jul 1 @ 5:18 PM ET
Also, how come no other GM is threatening to offer sheet Laine. Only Connor seems to be under that threat. Other GM's also recognize his true value.
- TheUltimateJet


Predictability I would guess. As a Leaf fan, if I was offered Connor or Laine on the same term but there is a difference in dollars 750k or more, I would pick Connor. I think he can get to 40 and 750k buys you a depth Dbag which everyone needs in todayā€™s NHL.
foxbat
Joined: 06.30.2016

Jul 1 @ 5:20 PM ET
Also, how come no other GM is threatening to offer sheet Laine. Only Connor seems to be under that threat. Other GM's also recognize his true value.
- TheUltimateJet


Actually, itā€™s the exact opposite of what your thinking. Laineā€™s offer sheet would bring him into the next tier (4 first rounders) because everyone understands that heā€™s worth more because goals are more important than anything else & he does it better than 99% of the players in the NHL, whereas Connorā€™s compensation would be way less (1,2&3).
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jul 1 @ 5:23 PM ET
Also, how come no other GM is threatening to offer sheet Laine. Only Connor seems to be under that threat. Other GM's also recognize his true value.
- TheUltimateJet

So Marner, Tkachuk, raantanen, point, provorov, werenski and mcavoy all have no value to? Since you know, no threats of offer sheets yet
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jul 1 @ 5:26 PM ET
So Marner, Tkachuk, raantanen, point, provorov, werenski and mcavoy all have no value to? Since you know, no threats of offer sheets yet
- Ross77

Connor, Marmer and Aho have all been in media reports as being potential players to offer sheet, mostly due to teams cap situations. How come Laine being on the same team as Connor not been Ina my reports?
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jul 1 @ 5:27 PM ET
Actually, itā€™s the exact opposite of what your thinking. Laineā€™s offer sheet would bring him into the next tier (4 first rounders) because everyone understands that heā€™s worth more because goals are more important than anything else & he does it better than 99% of the players in the NHL, whereas Connorā€™s compensation would be way less (1,2&3).
- foxbat

I would take the four firsts and laugh at the team that gave him that contract and move on.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jul 1 @ 5:28 PM ET
I would take the four firsts and laugh at the team that gave him that contract and move on.
- TheUltimateJet

Furthermore, Laine finished behind Scheifle and Connor in goals last season. It boggles my mind that people on this board look at last season as being an aberration when in reality it's exactly what Laine is.
foxbat
Joined: 06.30.2016

Jul 1 @ 5:37 PM ET
Furthermore, Laine finished behind Scheifle and Connor in goals last season. It boggles my mind that people on this board look at last season as being an aberration when in reality it's exactly what Laine is.
- TheUltimateJet


Now spin it & compare him to Bambiā€™s first few years instead of with a guy (Bambi) who is supposedly in his prime. You clearly just donā€™t like him & thatā€™s fine, but youā€™re cherry picking which stats fit your narrative. Give him first line minutes & an actual play making centre instead of a dump & chase guy & he produces even more. Look at the big picture because thatā€™s what his agent & most GMā€™s will do.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jul 1 @ 5:39 PM ET
Now spin it & compare him to Bambiā€™s first few years instead of with a guy (Bambi) who is supposedly in his prime. You clearly just donā€™t like him & thatā€™s fine, but youā€™re cherry picking which stats fit your narrative. Give him first line minutes & an actual play making centre instead of a dump & chase guy & he produces even more. Look at the big picture because thatā€™s what his agent & most GMā€™s will do.
- foxbat



You just agreed with me that he needs a playmaker and is unable to generate his own offence.

Let's do a critical thinking exercise.

Laine is a franchise player because....... Please fill that in. I am genuinely interested to hear this nonsense.
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