if they lose barrie for nothing yes it's not good
- daeth

(They still have Kerfoot)

Elisha Cuthbert
- Steven_Seagull

I agree with this. He brings the most Elisha Cuthbert out of all possible signees.

His contract was great for a #2C. His contract was good for a #3C.

He was medicore on draws, but I'll concede that he could take them!

He could score. Obviously the loss in ice time, and reduced role changed his game, but he was a good player, there's no doubt.

I don't think he was gritty at all - in terms of how I view grit. If he is your grit, then you don't need him, because Kadri isn't what grit should look like. His acts, in my opinion, were frequently more cowardly than brave or tough. That's not gritty. That's dangerous.
- Monkeypunk

Considering he could score 30, it's great at #2 or #3.

They needed more guys like him and even grittier than him but he was a good start.

He made mistakes but nothing he couldn't learn from. He did have some moments of bravery, recency bias just makes people think of his suspensions.

- JohnFergusonJr

Man, I'm a fan which entitles me to come up with dream scenarios and not feel bad/guilty about it.

It isnt my job to get this poop right so yes maybe Barrie performs well and only wants 6 million to have a chance to win.

There is a legitimately good reason to sign Phaneuf.

I don't know if he's worse than Ceci or not. Putting them together would help solve that conundrum.
- Monkeypunk

Yes. We need to know.

if they lose barrie for nothing yes it's not good
- daeth

If they re-sign him at 8+ AAV, also not good.

And I doubt they'll move him at the deadline so he's either going for nothing or getting huge money to stay.

(They still have Kerfoot)
- Steven_Seagull

avs fans dont seem to think he's any good for some reason

No, there isn't.

He's horrible.
- JohnFergusonJr

My comments are intended as a joke to imply that, I'm sorry.

Like the world's worst gameshow: Who's the worst defenseman? Then you need them both to compete! I'd get Bissonnette to host.

If they re-sign him at 8+ AAV, also not good.

And I doubt they'll move him at the deadline so he's either going for nothing or getting huge money to stay.
- JohnFergusonJr

6.5 or bust! if he wants 8 bye bye. cant overpay the entire team

Considering he could score 30, it's great at #2 or #3.

They needed more guys like him and even grittier than him but he was a good start.

He made mistakes but nothing he couldn't learn from. He did have some moments of bravery, recency bias just makes people think of his suspensions.
- JohnFergusonJr

Two suspensions in a row. What if Dubas didn’t trade him, and he got suspended again? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, pack your poop.

avs fans dont seem to think he's any good for some reason
- daeth

They did when they had him...

avs fans dont seem to think he's any good for some reason
- daeth

Looks like another Bozaky type player.

I agree that some sandpaper - something to make it unpleasant to play the Leafs would be useful. I don't know where the grit comes from - but I don't think Kadri should have ever have been the guy to bring that grit.
- Monkeypunk

Obviously there are some guys that will get older and more confident as grown ass men. Hymen has shown this. If and when they have more of that more pervasive in the lineup is the question. And should they be addressing that right now? They aren't a team that screams 'we'll beat your ass' going into a playoff series.

Solid stay at home d is crucial as well. The tending depth isn't great. There are still issues, but I do like the deal in principle.

6.5 or bust! if he wants 8 bye bye. cant overpay the entire team
- daeth

Prepare to say bye-bye.

A guy who puts up that many points from the blueline is going to want to get p-p-paid.

Looks like another Bozaky type player.
- JohnFergusonJr

you win cups with guys like that!!!

Not to be argumentative about that, but what would he help with?
- Monkeypunk

he would make all the other defenders look better (or at least less pylon-like)?

Man, I'm a fan which entitles me to come up with dream scenarios and not feel bad/guilty about it.

It isnt my job to get this poop right so yes maybe Barrie performs well and only wants 6 million to have a chance to win.
- Aaron_85

Well, considering Barrie is already tweeting about what a great fit this is for him, perhaps he will want to re-sign here. We'll have Ceci off the books after next season unless he plays amazeballs and we re-up his contract, so there's 4.5m to help re-sign Barrie.

I think we'll be able to easily re-sign either Barrie or Muzzin, but I don't know if we can keep both. Although I think Muzzin will be 31 at that point, so unless it was a short deal, it'd be a bit risky to give him a big contract anyways, where as Barrie is I think 3 years younger?

Better to have the grit, the great contract and depth up the middle (especially with two straight years where Matthews missed 20ish games) than a 1 year rent-a-RHD.
- JohnFergusonJr

Had to for cap. Is that a choice they willingly made to keep Nylander over Kadri? Probably, but we'll never know what was offered or not. Maybe they see Nylander as a centre? I'm not thrilled with that right now.

Better to have the grit, the great contract and depth up the middle (especially with two straight years where Matthews missed 20ish games) than a 1 year rent-a-RHD.
- JohnFergusonJr

Nonsense!!
You have no clue if he is just a rental...

All this talk about Kadri and his all important grit.

We took Boston to game 7 two years in a row without Kadri and his amazing grit for most of the series. So I don't think him and his grit are that necessary. I'd much rather have another top 4 defender, like Barrie, and a #3 center that won't be suspended (making less money), like Kerfoot.

All this talk about Kadri and his all important grit.

We took Boston to game 7 two years in a row without Kadri and his amazing grit for most of the series. So I don't think him and his grit are that necessary. I'd much rather have another top 4 defender, like Barrie, and a #3 center that won't be suspended (making less money), like Kerfoot.
- Thecakeisalie

you could say that again!!

Considering he could score 30, it's great at #2 or #3.

They needed more guys like him and even grittier than him but he was a good start.

He made mistakes but nothing he couldn't learn from. He did have some moments of bravery, recency bias just makes people think of his suspensions.
- JohnFergusonJr

Based solely on last last year, he showed that he could score 30 at #2. He could score 16 at #3. That makes his salary ok. But since he can play up in the line-up in case of emergency, that makes him valuable, but potentially expendable.

Based on the last two years, he couldn't learn from his mistakes.

I have never thought of Kadri as brave. I have always, regardless of recent actions or not, thought of him an opportunistic retaliator. He's dropped the gloves a few times, so it's not like he's a horrible coward, but he's not this brave tough gritty guy who can score 30 . . he's not Neely! I will also say that I don't really recall Naz ever being the one who initiates the conflicts, but the way he chooses to "finish" them is not the best.

My comments are intended as a joke to imply that, I'm sorry.

Like the world's worst gameshow: Who's the worst defenseman? Then you need them both to compete! I'd get Bissonnette to host.
- Monkeypunk

I understood punky. It's not your fault others are too slow on the uptake.

Based solely on last last year, he showed that he could score 30 at #2. He could score 16 at #3. That makes his salary ok. But since he can play up in the line-up in case of emergency, that makes him valuable, but potentially expendable.

Based on the last two years, he couldn't learn from his mistakes.

I have never thought of Kadri as brave. I have always, regardless of recent actions or not, thought of him an opportunistic retaliator. He's dropped the gloves a few times, so it's not like he's a horrible coward, but he's not this brave tough gritty guy who can score 30 . . he's not Neely! I will also say that I don't really recall Naz ever being the one who initiates the conflicts, but the way he chooses to "finish" them is not the best.
- Monkeypunk

He did dive a lot, which I couldn't stand.

he would make all the other defenders look better (or at least less pylon-like)?
- BorjeFan4Ever

He could be the heat-taker. The Murphy. The new Jake. The Dion redux: electric boogaloo.

The only thing stopping us is wanting to win hockey games!