Assuming Dundon didn't magically lose all of his money, I'd say so.

Aho and Teravainen locked up for under $14 million combined for the next 5 years? That's a win.
- BINGO!

Agreed. I know the 21mil is nuts for Carolina, but in 2 years that will look like the deal Tavares signed back in the day or like MacKinnon's deal.

The only thing that bothers me is Barrie is a one year rental. If he had even 2 years remaining I would call it a great trade but I don’t think Leafs can afford him after this year.
- gamerdoc

We'll see what he wants, but there's $4.5m supposedly tied up Cody Ceci that can be directed towards retaining Barrie, Muzzin and Dermott along with the natural cap increase.

I think Colorado got a good player.
I am ok with the trade because they get the #3C back closer to the age of the rest of the core. Kerfoot should sign for somewhere around Kapanen/Johnsson money.

What I like best is just the fact that Dubas went about his business without over-considering the Marner camp. I am sure the Marner camp would rather that he was handcuffed by the stand-off.

He isn't holding back 13M or something stupid to match an offer. He is holding back enough to sign Marner to a very good, but not ridiculous, contract. I like the business as usual attitude and the message it sent.
- Aetherial

eff marner

he and his daddy and mommy can go pound sand up their asses

good player but he’s no douggie fresh he shrunk like a dead Richard in winter under a sheet of snow

dubass needs to either trade him and greedy willi for some grown men before this becomes another pre/in season soap opera or fold and get fired 2 years from now for being week and (frank)ing the team for another decade

Suddenly $10M x 8 doesn’t look so bad, eh Mitch?
- As_I_See_It

If that was actually what was offered

Agreed. I know the 21mil is nuts for Carolina, but in 2 years that will look like the deal Tavares signed back in the day or like MacKinnon's deal.
- AdamFrench

Yep yep. Honestly looks like Bergevin got played here, but i guess that does remain to be seen.

Suddenly $10M x 8 doesn’t look so bad, eh Mitch?
- As_I_See_It

Not to defend Ferris but I think it does still look bad. The Habs offered, and Aho signed, an OS with 5 years. That's because they knew he'd only sign a 5 yr OS. The 5 yr term is critical for these guys. They all believe that years 6+ are going to be big new $$.

If 5 years is what all these guys are going to get ....how do these guys all stack up if Aho is 8.5?

Marner and Rantanen around 9 - 9.5?
Point around 8.5?
Tkachuk around 7.5?

Yep yep. Honestly looks like Bergevin got played here, but i guess that does remain to be seen.
- BINGO!

A lot of speculation around his real target being Point and that he's using this as a "I'm coming for you, so trade with me" kind of move. Not sure I believe it.

I would suggest to Marner to sign before Rantanen or Point does, because neither will get 10+ per. And both have better stats overall the past 2 years.
- RogerRoeper

Theyll sign near the end of summer.

Whats the rush.

Not to defend Ferris but I think it does still look bad. The Habs offered, and Aho signed, an OS with 5 years. That's because they knew he'd only sign a 5 yr OS. The 5 yr term is critical for these guys. They all believe that years 6+ are going to be big new $$.

If 5 years is what all these guys are going to get ....how do these guys all stack up if Aho is 8.5?

Marner and Rantanen around 9 - 9.5?
Point around 8.5?
Tkachuk around 7.5?
- The Law

Aho's initial ask was 5 years at $9.5.

I figured they'd end up around 7 years at 9, but the Canes were trying to wait him out, using RFA status against him. I think he took less than he's worth to get the term he wanted because the Canes didn't want to give it to him.

If Marner wants longer term, then $9 to 9.5 is probably still fair.

A lot of speculation around his real target being Point and that he's using this as a "I'm coming for you, so trade with me" kind of move. Not sure I believe it.
- AdamFrench

Seems unlikely. Point and Aho have the same agent, so why wouldn't you just go after Point right away instead? Far more likely that you'd actually get him.

Who's left that "can't play D"?

Gardiner, Zaitsev and Hainsey, everyone's favourite whipping boys are all gone. What exactly did you realistically want him to do better today? It's so (frank)ing amazingly easy to just be a complete downer poop bucket, but if you don't really have anything to say other than to gripe about nothing, maybe we should trade you to the Sens thread for a late round alt account.
- gravyface

So it's not just the Leafs that use the Sens as a doormat, but we fans will now too?

Bracco + Johnsson + 3rd

for

Georgiev + Kreider
- MaximusAurelius

How to be a terrible GM 101- Immediately trade a guy you literally just signed.

Thanks for this. This guy seems to have the same move every single time.

The only issue here is that these aren't players like Marner. They are far inferior so we will see. Good to know the agent is just a Richard.
- Aaron_85

bigger client, but ferris still has bothered to learn the definition of leverage.

A lot of speculation around his real target being Point and that he's using this as a "I'm coming for you, so trade with me" kind of move. Not sure I believe it.
- AdamFrench

that would mean bergevin is playing chess, not checkers.

i'm not buying what you are selling here.

that would mean bergevin is playing chess, not checkers.

i'm not buying what you are selling here.
- Tumbleweed

Not me. Dildohead Pierre.

Agreed. I know the 21mil is nuts for Carolina, but in 2 years that will look like the deal Tavares signed back in the day or like MacKinnon's deal.
- AdamFrench

I think it'll look good too but to get technical ....

Tavares did 6 years at 9.1% of Cap
MacKinnon did 7 years at 8.6% of Cap

Aho is 5 years at 10.2%. I think it's a good number looking forward but that's higher than Hall, Gaudreau, etc... and close to the money (%) given to Toews and Kane on their 5 year deals.

Aho's initial ask was 5 years at $9.5.

I figured they'd end up around 7 years at 9, but the Canes were trying to wait him out, using RFA status against him. I think he took less than he's worth to get the term he wanted because the Canes didn't want to give it to him.

If Marner wants longer term, then $9 to 9.5 is probably still fair.
- BINGO!

Years 5+ on any new deal were UFA years and these guys all believe those years are worth 11, 12 .....15 ...

8.5 isn't "less". It's a really good number for Aho.

The battle that is going on with all these guys is that teams are trying to buy more UFA years.

Not me. Dildohead Pierre.
- AdamFrench

thanks.

now i have wood my desk.

If the canes dont match, i could then see marner getting an OS, maybe. But the amount would be 10 and under and the leafs would easily match.

... don't worry Scabeh, Jake is going to wait until he can sign with you guys
- Aetherial

Andreas Athanasiou
1) Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie
DET's standing offer on a two-year deal for AA has had an AAV of $1.9M

2) AA declines, moves to Switzerland and threatens to sign with a KHL team for $2.5M

3) AA signs for 1-year $1.387M (minus~$150k for missing 20 days of the season)

David Ferris/josh andersson


1) Ferris states publicly that josh Anderson is offered a low-ball 3-year less than $1.9M/year deal

2) Anderson declines and misses all of training camp. Threatens to sign in Switzerland (where salaries generally max out at $500K).

3) Anderson signs for 3 years @ 1.85M/year right before the season.

David Ferris/tobias reider


1) Ferris states publicly he wants $2.5M/year for 2 years for Reider and the coyotes are offering $2.2M.

2) Reider declines the coyotes offer and misses all of training camp. Ferris says publicly that he is mulling over a couple of KHL offers.

3) Reider signs right before training camp for $2.25M.

4) Coyotes have the last laugh – the only GM willing to work with Ferris is Chiarelli. Rieder signs with edmonton - lolz.

Ferris/Bennett

1) September 5, 2017

Darren Dreger:

Still a sizable gap in contract talks between the Flames and Sam Bennett. Possibility Bennett heads overseas until a deal in Calgary is done

2) September 7, 2017

Bennett signs for 2 years, 1.95M/year
- Tumbleweed

And Dreger is Ferris' Muppet on every single one.

Gord Miller
‏Verified account @GMillerTSN
2h2 hours ago

An NHL GM on Toronto’s moves: “They had to dip into their forward depth to improve their D, but this is a home run. They’re still loaded at centre and their blue line is way better. Now they’ve got cap space to sign their RFAs and they’re a legit contender with this defence.”

Gord Miller
‏Verified account @GMillerTSN
2h2 hours ago

An NHL GM on Toronto’s moves: “They had to dip into their forward depth to improve their D, but this is a home run. They’re still loaded at centre and their blue line is way better. Now they’ve got cap space to sign their RFAs and they’re a legit contender with this defence.”


- GreatGigInTheSky

I disagree. But oh well.

Not to defend Ferris but I think it does still look bad. The Habs offered, and Aho signed, an OS with 5 years. That's because they knew he'd only sign a 5 yr OS. The 5 yr term is critical for these guys. They all believe that years 6+ are going to be big new $$.

If 5 years is what all these guys are going to get ....how do these guys all stack up if Aho is 8.5?

Marner and Rantanen around 9 - 9.5?
Point around 8.5?
Tkachuk around 7.5?
- The Law

aho plays center, is a playmaker and a proven 30-goal scorer.

i think there is an agrument to be made that the market typcially pays more for what aho does vs. marner.

aho plays center, is a playmaker and a proven 30-goal scorer.

i think there is an agrument to be made that the market typcially pays more for what aho does vs. marner.
- Tumbleweed

What about Point? There's a real strong argument to be made that he should get more than all of them. Depends on how those fancy stats have him or Kucherov driving that line, but it's not like Marner plays with a chump in Tavares. Point scored over 40 this year, I believe, no?