Carolina not even having the decency to wait before they match, making sure Gardiner to Montreal happens.

I knew it. It's happening.

Carolina not even having the decency to wait before they match, making sure Gardiner to Montreal happens.

I knew it. It's happening.
- Scabeh

Joe Thornton to Habs.

It'll be an issue somehow in some way. Owners are going to be mad they have to pay 21 year olds who may have had one good year as if they won a stanley cup. It's all potential now.
As well as the young guys wanting to be walked to to UFA with 5 or 6 year deals but huge dollars. They get what they want.

To your point, it's anti-work stoppage for rich teams. The lock out would stop salaries from being paid out but not signing bonuses during the summer so all players want the bonus.

O'Neill talked about the stoppage and he said it cost him 4 million and if he could do it over again he would try to vote to play.
- Aaron_85

All fair points, but my point wasn't players wanting bonuses to lockout proof their contracts. That's a big part of it, but also from a time value of money it makes sense to get your money up front and do something with it. My point was that these bonuses throw escrow into whack and we all know how big a sticking point that is with both the League and the NHLPA. There are a lot of reasons players want signing bonuses and there are reasons the league does not. They've actually made it be known that they wished teams would stop doling out these signing bonuses and they cite escrow as the #1 issue resulting from them.

Joe Thornton to Habs.
- AdamFrench

Carolina not even having the decency to wait before they match, making sure Gardiner to Montreal happens.

I knew it. It's happening.
- Scabeh

Bergy for off-season GM of the year.

- Scabeh

With term

With term
- RickJames77

4 years..

Carolina not even having the decency to wait before they match, making sure Gardiner to Montreal happens.

I knew it. It's happening.
- Scabeh

#sin.

#congrats

Matt Larkin
@THNMattLarkin
We didn't really get an offer sheet. We just got a lesson in how not to offer sheet.

All fair points, but my point wasn't players wanting bonuses to lockout proof their contracts. That's a big part of it, but also from a time value of money it makes sense to get your money up front and do something with it. My point was that these bonuses throw escrow into whack and we all know how big a sticking point that is with both the League and the NHLPA. There are a lot of reasons players want signing bonuses and there are reasons the league does not. They've actually made it be known that they wished teams would stop doling out these signing bonuses and they cite escrow as the #1 issue resulting from them.
- RickJames77

Sure, sure sure. I don't disagree with you. It's another thing to add on to the negotiations.

Of course the league wants them to stop for escrow purposes. I'd also like to see a hard escrow number that doesn't fluctuate. Also, escrow is dumb. Why do the players need to forever support billionaires?

- Scabeh

Looking at most of the FA's left is a whose who of mid-2000's stars. Wonder what happens. Marleau, Jumbo, Vanek, Phaneuf, Pominville, Brassard, Williams and Ward.

What about Point? There's a real strong argument to be made that he should get more than all of them. Depends on how those fancy stats have him or Kucherov driving that line, but it's not like Marner plays with a chump in Tavares. Point scored over 40 this year, I believe, no?
- RickJames77

I don't get it actually - from Montreal's perspective. They kind of cheaped out on the OfferSheet for Aho.... Craig Button did a good job (uncharacteristically) explaining why the Habs offer was crap.

Habs should be turning around and offering Point a 9.5 - 10.5 Offer sheet... if Mtl/Bergevin wasn't just posturing with the Aho offer sheet

All fair points, but my point wasn't players wanting bonuses to lockout proof their contracts. That's a big part of it, but also from a time value of money it makes sense to get your money up front and do something with it. My point was that these bonuses throw escrow into whack and we all know how big a sticking point that is with both the League and the NHLPA. There are a lot of reasons players want signing bonuses and there are reasons the league does not. They've actually made it be known that they wished teams would stop doling out these signing bonuses and they cite escrow as the #1 issue resulting from them.
- RickJames77

I didn't realize this . . . the bonuses are exempt from the escrow ?

I had assumed that (I'm super fuzzy here, but I thought escrow was 11%) if you received a $3m bonus, 11% of that was still held back in escrow until the end of the year when financials are sorted out.

Matt Larkin
@THNMattLarkin
We didn't really get an offer sheet. We just got a lesson in how not to offer sheet.
- Fruitcakenipple

Accurate.

I don't get it actually - from Montreal's perspective. They kind of cheaped out on the OfferSheet for Aho.... Craig Button did a good job (uncharacteristically) explaining why the Habs offer was crap.

Habs should be turning around and offering Point a 9.5 - 10.5 Offer sheet... if Mtl/Bergevin wasn't just posturing with the Aho offer sheet
- BorjeFan4Ever

Maybe Berg did and Point said "fukoff no b'y dont wanna play for ya team"

any chance the habs are playing the long game here? Signing him to 5 years to walk him to UFA. He said he wants to play in Montreal. If they don't get the player now, they have another great shot in 5 years.
- RickJames77

Not a chance of this IMO. GM's are worried about their jobs over the much shorter term. In this case Bergevin probably doesn't have a job if the Habs miss the playoffs this year.

Maybe Berg did and Point said "fukoff no b'y dont wanna play for ya team"
- Fruitcakenipple

U SEEN DEM TAXES BEGR?

U SEEN DEM TAXES BEGR?
- AdamFrench

and who plays on teams..

Nick Cotsonika @cotsonika
23m
He is the logo!

I don't get it actually - from Montreal's perspective. They kind of cheaped out on the OfferSheet for Aho.... Craig Button did a good job (uncharacteristically) explaining why the Habs offer was crap.

Habs should be turning around and offering Point a 9.5 - 10.5 Offer sheet... if Mtl/Bergevin wasn't just posturing with the Aho offer sheet
- BorjeFan4Ever

I read something about how contracts are structured and why it effected the offer they gave. The crux of the argument, was that if they were to go up to say 10m or so, that would only increase the amount they could've offered in signing bonuses to something around 26M instead of the 21M in this case in the first year. You can only scale down a players yearly earnings by 35% year over year and the cheapest year needs to be at least half of the most expensive. It was designed to prevent over front loading contracts. The reason they thought they could get the player was that Dundon might gawk at the cash he'd have to expend in 12 months. If he'd match 21, he'd probably have matched 26. So, why up the compensation to another 1st and have a less team friendly deal if you think the main reason they wouldn't sign was the upfront cash? It makes sense in a way, but from a sheer value perspective, I could never see a team walking away from a player of that caliber for a 1st, 2nd & 3rd.

I didn't realize this . . . the bonuses are exempt from the escrow ?

I had assumed that (I'm super fuzzy here, but I thought escrow was 11%) if you received a $3m bonus, 11% of that was still held back in escrow until the end of the year when financials are sorted out.
- Monkeypunk

I thought they were from what I understood after reading a brief article. I'm not CBA expert though, so I could very well be wrong. I'll try and look back and see what the deal was. I'd imagine they are exempt if they are causing issues though. The article was about how bonuses are messing with escrow, so maybe I assumed that, but idk how else they would screw with them...you know what I mean?

I don't get it actually - from Montreal's perspective. They kind of cheaped out on the OfferSheet for Aho.... Craig Button did a good job (uncharacteristically) explaining why the Habs offer was crap.

Habs should be turning around and offering Point a 9.5 - 10.5 Offer sheet... if Mtl/Bergevin wasn't just posturing with the Aho offer sheet
- BorjeFan4Ever

I don't think it was that bad of an offersheet.
21million in signing bonuses in 1st 12 months of that contract with Canes being a financially challenged team, I could see it being worth the risk.
People speak about 21million as if it were 21 bucks.

I read something about how contracts are structured and why it effected the offer they gave. The crux of the argument, was that if they were to go up to say 10m or so, that would only increase the amount they could've offered in signing bonuses to something around 26M instead of the 21M in this case in the first year. You can only scale down a players yearly earnings by 35% year over year and the cheapest year needs to be at least half of the most expensive. It was designed to prevent over front loading contracts. The reason they thought they could get the player was that Dundon might gawk at the cash he'd have to expend in 12 months. If he'd match 21, he'd probably have matched 26. So, why up the compensation to another 1st and have a less team friendly deal if you think the main reason they wouldn't sign was the upfront cash? It makes sense in a way, but from a sheer value perspective, I could never see a team walking away from a player of that caliber for a 1st, 2nd & 3rd.
- RickJames77

Agreed..Not happening..The only hope was the front load 21mil..

Nick Cotsonika @cotsonika
23m
He is the logo!




- Fruitcakenipple

I also flagged this by accident

Carolina not even having the decency to wait before they match, making sure Gardiner to Montreal happens.

I knew it. It's happening.
- Scabeh

From Pierre Lebrun:

"I guarantee Dundon has already told Waddell that if there's an RFA in Montreal the 'Canes can go after in the next few years, he's got the green light to do something crazy"