Marner 11, Ceci 4.5, Kerfoot 3.5. Money is gone. There is no top paring d coming without a trade.

They were always going to find a way to keep Marner, the question is did they improve the team?
- aminnes

Barrie will be just fine for the Leafs and they will have cap space the following offseason....considering Dubas back was against the wall for cap space it appears he managed just fine

It's like you really hate Cody Ceci.

Other than the fact that every single metric I've seen shows that he absolutely terrible, I don't know why you don't like him.
- Monkeypunk

I'm sure most of the players on Ottawa last season had great metrics and stats, after all they were one of the best teams in history weren't they?

Marner 11, Ceci 4.5, Kerfoot 3.5. Money is gone. There is no top paring d coming without a trade.

They were always going to find a way to keep Marner, the question is did they improve the team?
- aminnes

Barrie is a top pairing D.

He has played in the top pair and has flourished. Dubas has a fantastic job so far this offseason and anyone who is saying otherwise is just starting poop.

Totally missed the Gravel guy. What trade and his particulars?

Barrie is a top pairing D.

He has played in the top pair and has flourished. Dubas has a fantastic job so far this offseason and anyone who is saying otherwise is just starting poop.
- Santo_44

You realize his metrics are worse defensively than Gardner right?

I'm not saying he did a fantastic job. Serious? I'm not saying he did a poor job either.

Totally missed the Gravel guy. What trade and his particulars?
- Leafsmart

Good bottom pairing guy but nothing more

I'm glad it happened.

It should happen more often.
- Scabeh

His offer sheet was pointless IMO.

It just created problems for him in the future...There are some executives and mangers that aren't happy about this..and obviously some just don't give two poops.

But it was a pointless offer sheet.

He throws a mean cup.
- Monkeypunk

Still chuckle when I watch that clip.

Marner 11, Ceci 4.5, Kerfoot 3.5. Money is gone. There is no top paring d coming without a trade.

They were always going to find a way to keep Marner, the question is did they improve the team?
- aminnes

I can’t see marner getting 11.

Good bottom pairing guy but nothing more
- RatedR80

Should rank right up there with 52 then.

You realize his metrics are worse defensively than Gardner right?

I'm not saying he did a fantastic job. Serious? I'm not saying he did a poor job either.
- aminnes

What metrics are you reading?

Because that is the opposite of what I am reading.

Ceci has far better metrics than Z in certain areas too....its all on how you read them.

I can’t see marner getting 11.
- bryant

We can argue the semantics till the cows come home. Point was they don;t have cap space to bring in another defensemen. Especially a top paring defensemen.

His offer sheet was pointless IMO.

It just created problems for him in the future...There are some executives and mangers that aren't happy about this..and obviously some just don't give two poops.

But it was a pointless offer sheet.
- Santo_44

For sure. Now even harder to improve your team when other GM's shun you.

Should rank right up there with 52 then.
- Leafsmart

He won’t make you leap off your chair in excitement but he won’t make you want to throw a beer can through your tv either

We can argue the semantics till the cows come home. Point was they don;t have cap space to bring in another defensemen. Especially a top paring defensemen.
- aminnes

Leaf fans

"I want a top pairing d"

Leafs trade for one

"I want two top pairing d"

What metrics are you reading?

Because that is the opposite of what I am reading.

Ceci has far better metrics than Z in certain areas too....its all on how you read them.
- Santo_44

Barrie is in the 44th percentile defensively while Gardiner is in the 56th. According to the Leafs owners sports web site.

Barrie is in the 44th percentile defensively while Gardiner is in the 56th. According to the Leafs owners sports web site.
- aminnes

Uh huh

I am not going to waste my time here...

He won’t make you leap off your chair in excitement but he won’t make you want to throw a beer can through your tv either
- RatedR80

Well if you put it that way, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Worth a look see.

Leaf fans

"I want a top pairing d"

Leafs trade for one

"I want two top pairing d"
- Santo_44

He's not a championship level top pairing defensemen. Where are getting this? And yes, we all wanted a defensemen, what was unnecessary was bringing in another offensemen. Have too many of those already.

I like the trade in principle. I just don't like it if this is it, because if it is, the Leafs actually found a way to be even worse in their own next season.

What metrics are you reading?

Because that is the opposite of what I am reading.

Ceci has far better metrics than Z in certain areas too....its all on how you read them.
- Santo_44

It's almost as if graphs and numbers could be interpreted to validate any point of view if you take the right ones!

We can argue the semantics till the cows come home. Point was they don;t have cap space to bring in another defensemen. Especially a top paring defensemen.
- aminnes

I just want leafs to have a bit of money come trade deadline. Have some team pay 70 percent of the contract and leafs would be able to afford them for the playoff push.
They can get by with the d core as is till then.

Leaf fans

"I want a top pairing d"

Leafs trade for one

"I want two top pairing d"
- Santo_44

Read the thread. I was responding to someone who thought they had cap space to sign another guy, which they don't.

He's not a championship level top pairing defensemen. Where are getting this? And yes, we all wanted a defensemen, what was unnecessary was bringing in another offensemen. Have too many of those already.

I like the trade in principle. I just don't like it if this is it, because if it is, the Leafs actually found a way to be even worse in their own next season.
- aminnes

Let's see how the rest of the offseason plays out before you start climbing bridges.

It's almost as if graphs and numbers could be interpreted to validate any point of view if you take the right ones!
- Scabeh

Or if your big into kidding yourself. Barrie is so amazing and a legit top pairing defensemen he was traded for a second line centre and the Avs had to eat half his salary.

I mean that's normal right. Guys trade top paring d men and eat half their salaries for 2nd line centres all he time.

Let's see how the rest of the offseason plays out before you start climbing bridges.
- Leafsmart

That's literally what I just said.