Bourque played 94 games for the Avalanche. He'd be waaaay down the list.

Blake is a good guess, but 62 goals, 146 assists, 208 points. Barrie beats him.
- Atomic Wedgie

I was talking points per game.

Edmonton was saved by a large group of business owners in the city. What did he do to save Calgary and Ottawa? Also, why does he get zero blame for anything but gets all the praise? If the owners are just using him then it's them that should get the praise.
- aminnes

This is what Harley Hotchkiss said to Bruce Dowbiggin in an interview in 2005:

"Quite frankly, he saved our franchise and likely Edmonton and Ottawa with (his support of) the Canadian currency assistance program. . . . That act alone is often overlooked, but it saved our franchise. . . . He saved other franchises with his own high energy and determination and grasp of what needs to be done."

Bettman established a revenue-sharing model for the Canadian franchises when the dollar was so low - US franchises subsidized the Canadian ones.

It's something that nobody wants to remember or talk about.

It’s hilarious
- Santo_44

It's not really, it's sad that he is so (frank)ing dumb

As I said - and it's nice to see a brain rather than name calling - the trade in principle is good. However if they don;'t get more defensive type help what was the point. It becomes lateral at that point.
- aminnes

I think it's an upgrade overall. Leafs had Rielly, Gards and Muzzin on the left side. They essentially switched gardiner to the right and who I believe is healthier and better.

Sure they can use another dman but at the same time what if it's an internal promotion? Theres a sheltered spot on the bottom pair on the right side.

I thought of John micheal liles lol I wonder where he fit in.
- bryant

58 goals, 183 assists.

Close, but no cigar.

I find it bizarre that fans boo him.

He didn't bring in the instigator rule (99% of pro-fight fans believe he did).

Yes, he's overseen multiple lockouts - but that's on the owners.

He's increased the geographic scope of the league.

Hockey in the US (particularly participation) is off the charts.

His initiative saved Ottawa, Calgary and Edmonton from moving to the US.

He brought cost certainty.

Yeah, Florida and Arizona play to empty arenas, but why the frank do I care? Hell, it just means I can go see an NHL game on the cheap if I vacation there. It doesn't affect me at all.
- Atomic Wedgie

I agree. I've never understood it either. He has been good for the game. He looks like a movie villain, though.

Edmonton was saved by a large group of business owners in the city. What did he do to save Calgary and Ottawa? Also, why does he get zero blame for anything but gets all the praise? If the owners are just using him then it's them that should get the praise.
- aminnes

No matter what anyone posts you just take the opposite view. You and that John Jr guy should get married.

I agree. I've never understood it either. He has been good for the game. He looks like a movie villain, though.
- Monkeypunk

Or a muppet vampire.

I find it bizarre that fans boo him.

He didn't bring in the instigator rule (99% of pro-fight fans believe he did).

Yes, he's overseen multiple lockouts - but that's on the owners.

He's increased the geographic scope of the league.

Hockey in the US (particularly participation) is off the charts.

His initiative saved Ottawa, Calgary and Edmonton from moving to the US.

He brought cost certainty.

Yeah, Florida and Arizona play to empty arenas, but why the frank do I care? Hell, it just means I can go see an NHL game on the cheap if I vacation there. It doesn't affect me at all.
- Atomic Wedgie

The players hate him for good reason. He kicks their ass every few years. But he’s been great for the game.

No Bettman. No Coyotes. No Matthews.

58 goals, 183 assists.

Close, but no cigar.
- Atomic Wedgie

I think you missed a year. I just counted 68 and 210

Either way I’m still wrong but closer lol

As I said - and it's nice to see a brain rather than name calling - the trade in principle is good. However if they don;'t get more defensive type help what was the point. It becomes lateral at that point.
- aminnes

Between the two of them, Barrie is a much more effective transition player and brings even more offensive prowess than Gardiner. But for those fans who grew frustrated with Gardiner’s decision making in the defensive zone and risky play with the puck, buckle in because Barrie is about to take you on a wild ride. Gardiner’s defensive impact has been much stronger than Barrie’s over the past few seasons, and in fact Barrie’s defensive impact is around the 44th percentile in the NHL, while Gardiner’s is 56th, so that part is a downgrade.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...etter-team-trading-kadri/

I agree. I've never understood it either. He has been good for the game. He looks like a movie villain, though.
- Monkeypunk

He’s always reminded me of Paul Anka.

Between the two of them, Barrie is a much more effective transition player and brings even more offensive prowess than Gardiner. But for those fans who grew frustrated with Gardiner’s decision making in the defensive zone and risky play with the puck, buckle in because Barrie is about to take you on a wild ride. Gardiner’s defensive impact has been much stronger than Barrie’s over the past few seasons, and in fact Barrie’s defensive impact is around the 44th percentile in the NHL, while Gardiner’s is 56th, so that part is a downgrade.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...etter-team-trading-kadri/
- JohnFergusonJr

Sounds like Barrie will have to take a pay cut if he wants to play in the NHL after next yr...

Sounds like Barrie will have to take a pay cut if he wants to play for the Leafs after next yr...
- Fruitcakenipple

Fixed.

If he scores 60+ points, he's asking for 8+ AAV.

And somebody stupid will give it to him.

I think you missed a year. I just counted 68 and 210

Either way I’m still wrong but closer lol
- bryant

I'm hungover, stuck at work, hungry and pissed off.

And I did the math in my head, so please feel free to doubt my figures!

He’s always reminded me of Paul Anka.
- shack67

yes a cross between the Count and Anka

yes a cross between the Count and Anka
- jimi james

You nailed it. I knew there was another face in there. The Count!!!

Fixed.

If he scores 60+ points, he's asking for 8+ AAV.

And somebody stupid will give it to him.
- JohnFergusonJr

Well a nuck fan said today he will get 80+pts so he's get'n 11+ next yr..

Barrie is literally Gardiner in his own end. The best thing that happened for Reilly's career was to get the hell away from Gardiner. Barrie is a great PP guy, and a guy I like having but he needs to play with a total homer and cannot face other teams top lines.

So then the question is, who faces the top lines? Ceci? Poor Muzzin on that one. Who is killing penalties? Ottawa tried that with Ceci. Huge pressure on Reilly now to save the day defensively.
- aminnes

Has it occurred to you that both Barrie and Ceci are playing on a better team and could be slid down the depth chart into situations that are better suited to them?

Probably not.

Has it occurred to you that both Barrie and Ceci are playing on a better team and could be slid down the depth chart into situations that are better suited to them?

Probably not.
- As_I_See_It

ceci is bad. it would be a mini-miracle for him to become a good player.

but playing on the 3rd pair might be better suited for him, instead on the top pair facing 1st line competition.

Some commentators on 590 say Leafs are now one of the favourites to win the president ‘s trophy. But by the same token, the Leafs lost something without Kadri so the gangs are not sure about SC.

Has it occurred to you that both Barrie and Ceci are playing on a better team and could be slid down the depth chart into situations that are better suited to them?

Probably not.
- As_I_See_It

I don't think Barrie will be further down the depth chart.

As for Ceci, Jonas Seigel had a good line today:

Consider Ceci’s primary partners so far over six NHL seasons: Chris Phillips, Jared Cowen, Patrick Wiercioch, Dion Phaneuf (twice) and last season, Maxime Lajoie, a 21-year-old rookie.

Oz is ahead in per game. Bourque and Blake.

Barrie is however a -59.
- aminnes

Oh man he uses plus minus too

ceci is bad. it would be a mini-miracle for him to become a good player.

but playing on the 3rd pair might be better suited for him, instead on the top pair facing 1st line competition.
- Tumbleweed

I really hope Dubas could trade Ceci away and somehow lure Gardener back, perhaps with Mitch playing with a bridge deal.