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Stripes77
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Buffalo Sabres
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Jul 1 @ 2:44 PM ET
That term is funnier to me than it should be. That's "four firsts" territory, right?
- buffalofan19



2 1sts a second and third
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Jul 1 @ 2:44 PM ET
I see crappy Botterill is as bad as glasses trading picks away for crappy players
dmarsden2988
New Jersey Devils
Location: stafford is about equal to rya, NJ
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jul 1 @ 2:45 PM ET
Yikes.

That's an expensive year.

- thatsapickle


Got the devils to the cap floor and it's only one year, so not bad
Stripes77
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Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
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Jul 1 @ 2:45 PM ET
Whats the play here? Tell Carolina to match and make a great trade offer?
- Lilroot9



I don't see how they don't match that
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jul 1 @ 2:45 PM ET
So a first line winger
For
2nd, failing prospect and a cap dump?

- ImThatGuy

Toffoli is more of a 2nd liner winger, put can work here as a first liner due to Eichel and Skinner being his linemates. He is also pending UFA, so he he is just a rental.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jul 1 @ 2:46 PM ET
Eric Engels

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Habs have offer sheeted Sebastian Aho

- Stripes77



Oh did I win a prize ?

There will be 2 more
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jul 1 @ 2:46 PM ET
That term is funnier to me than it should be. That's "four firsts" territory, right?
- buffalofan19

nope...1st, 2nd, 3rd
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 1 @ 2:46 PM ET
I don't see how they don't match that
- Stripes77



And that's the real problem with offer sheets. Aho also has to accept.
Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.18.2012

Jul 1 @ 2:46 PM ET
Whats the play here? Tell Carolina to match and make a great trade offer?
- Lilroot9



That is only a 1st, 2nd and 3rd pick if Carolina does not match. So if the price is too much for them, make a great trade offer.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jul 1 @ 2:47 PM ET
2 1sts a second and third
- Stripes77

$8.454M is just under that threshold
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jul 1 @ 2:47 PM ET
nope...1st, 2nd, 3rd
- Michael Pachla

We do not have a 3rd for 2020 and 2021. I would be all over offering max AAV in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd range.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
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Joined: 09.03.2009

Jul 1 @ 2:47 PM ET
Wow that offer sheet is weak the Carolina hurricanes are going to match that easily

Next
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 1 @ 2:47 PM ET
I don't see how they don't match that
- Stripes77


They missed out on dutchy. Had to show the fans they're doing something. Plus a modest offer "shows" the NHLPA that the GMs aren't colluding (which they are)
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 1 @ 2:48 PM ET
$8.454M is just under that threshold
- Michael Pachla



You're right.

https://www.pensionplanpu...t-rantanen-but-not-marner
Stripes77
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Buffalo Sabres
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Jul 1 @ 2:48 PM ET
That is only a 1st, 2nd and 3rd pick if Carolina does not match. So if the price is too much for them, make a great trade offer.
- Lilroot9



2 1sts a 2nd and 3rd its the lowest point of that

They could have gone up to $10 million and still only had to give up 2 1sts a 2nd and 3rd
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jul 1 @ 2:48 PM ET
I don't see how they don't match that
- Stripes77

for all the muscle bergevin likes to show, he has no real balls...they'll match...

if he really wanted aho he'd have gone to $10+M
Stripes77
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Buffalo Sabres
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Jul 1 @ 2:49 PM ET
Wow

That is only 1 st a 2nd and a 3rd

Too bad the Sabres didn't have a 3rd

But wow
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jul 1 @ 2:49 PM ET
nope...1st, 2nd, 3rd
- Michael Pachla


Pretty sure we heard you on the conference today, right?
Lilroot9
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.18.2012

Jul 1 @ 2:49 PM ET
2 1sts a 2nd and 3rd its the lowest point of that

They could have gone up to $10 million and still only had to give up 2 1sts a 2nd and 3rd

- Stripes77


$6,341,153 - $8,454,871
1 First Round Pick
1 Second Round Pick
1 Third Round Pick
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 1 @ 2:50 PM ET
for all the muscle bergevin likes to show, he has no real balls...they'll match...

if he really wanted aho he'd have gone to $10+M

- Michael Pachla



This is why I roll my eyes at how hard the likes of Jeremy White and Schopp bang the offer sheet drum. If Aho accepts, Montreal simply did Carolina's negotiating for them, nothing more.
Stripes77
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Jul 1 @ 2:51 PM ET
Pierre LeBrun

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Breakdown of Aho offer sheet: $11.3M SB plus 700k salary in Year 1; $9.87M SB plus 700k salary in Year 2; $6.95 SB plus 750k salary in Year 3; $5.25 SB plus $750k in each of Year 4 and Year 5


Actually I don't know if Carolina matches

The Habs did a good job of front loading in signing bonuses

Cash heavy in the first two years
Stripes77
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Jul 1 @ 2:51 PM ET
Ben Mathewson


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Even if Carolina matches Aho walks to UFA at 26
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
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Jul 1 @ 2:51 PM ET
Pierre LeBrun

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Breakdown of Aho offer sheet: $11.3M SB plus 700k salary in Year 1; $9.87M SB plus 700k salary in Year 2; $6.95 SB plus 750k salary in Year 3; $5.25 SB plus $750k in each of Year 4 and Year 5


Actually I don't know if Carolina matches

The Habs did a good job of front loading in signing bonuses

Cash heavy in the first two years

- Stripes77


The hurricanes new owner is loaded. He just bought and destroyed a football league
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jul 1 @ 2:52 PM ET
Wow

That is only 1 st a 2nd and a 3rd

Too bad the Sabres didn't have a 3rd

But wow

- Stripes77

they don't have a third again next year which means the only real avenue is 4 first-rounders, which probably won't happen
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
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Jul 1 @ 2:52 PM ET
Pierre LeBrun

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Breakdown of Aho offer sheet: $11.3M SB plus 700k salary in Year 1; $9.87M SB plus 700k salary in Year 2; $6.95 SB plus 750k salary in Year 3; $5.25 SB plus $750k in each of Year 4 and Year 5


Actually I don't know if Carolina matches

The Habs did a good job of front loading in signing bonuses

Cash heavy in the first two years

- Stripes77


Given the compensation that they get instead (not much, if you think about it), I think they figure out a way to match.
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