But they’re not.

Hellen Keller could design better jerseys.
- dadeadhead

Honestly, remove the fact that they changed their colors and emblem and that they were the Buffalo Sabres and you have a very modern, very refreshing hockey uniform that has consistency, originality and is incredibly bold. They are excellent if they aren't the Buffalo Sabres. Way too much detail in the logo, however.

You should ask the Patriots how that worked out for them

Eagles, Packers, Broncos, I can keep going. That's just the NFL.
- BeadyEyedDouche

And I’m not a fan of 99% of them.


Some things should just be left alone.

Jerseys are one of those things.

Honestly, remove the fact that they changed their colors and emblem and that they were the Buffalo Sabres and you have a very modern, very refreshing hockey uniform that has consistency, originality and is incredibly bold. They are excellent if they aren't the Buffalo Sabres. Way too much detail in the logo, however.
- BeadyEyedDouche

If it were an expansion team? Sure.


It was a team that’s been in the league for 25yrs.

For sure

It's honestly the best offer sheet ever as far as a team's chances to actually end up with that player are concerned.
- BeadyEyedDouche

"This sounds terrible but writing that check is no big deal," Canes owner Dundon said, according to The Athletic's Sara Civian. "The fact that you, as part of the Canadian media, are asking me if $20 million is a lot might be how we got in this situation."

(Edited for clarity)

Nice snippy remark.
Is 41, 45 or 14 your age.
But anyway, welcome!

Next time give us your thoughts, rather than attack as your first salvo.

Welp, trades are usually made at those times. FACT? FACT!
I didn't jump off the bridge on Dece 15th, cause trades don't happen then.
I'm raising concern that the peak trade season is in the rear view mirror, because...history tells us so.
Could there be a trade between now and October...ABSOLUTELY...and it better because walking into the season without filling a couple of spots is another disastrous result starting him in the face.
Teams who reportedly wanted RhD's were Tampa, Toronto, Vancouver and Winnepeg..and to some degree Edmonton and maybe Anaheim.
The fact is those teams did make moves which reduces their need...some will dropout altogether.

The risk of them not turning Risto into much needed scoring is increasing. Does he needed to trade for the sake of a trade like with ROR? Good lord I hope he doesn't ...and then Connor Sheary might be your 1st RW and Reino might be in the middle, leaving the 2nd and 3rd RW to those allstars Tage and Nylander.

That is my point.
What is yours?
- IonSabres

My point is, none of this is as easy as everyone makes it. I am an accomplished business owner who understands the ins and outs of making deals. You apparently do not as everything is cut and dry with you. There are a boat load of moving pieces.

Stop and think about all the possibilities. NOT just the things that did go your way.

Lastly, no way was I being insulting. Just asking people to think. On second thought, if that is being insulting, then I guess I am guilty.

See you guys later off to see Spiderman

All of his 'buys' have been low risk. Moving a 4th for Sheary and Hunwick, a third for Beaulieu, a third for Vesey do not handicap us long term. Heck even the Ennis and Foligno trade saved us Ennis' buyout money and Scandella comes off the books next year. The only boat anchor we have he was saddled with (Okposo) our brilliant July 1st signing a few years ago.

To date the only thing Botts has done wrong won the Blues a Stanley Cup. However if his drafts pan out and he uses our cap space efficiently he will maximize our timeline and give us a chance to bring one to Buffalo someday.
- Swedish_Jesus

Bennington won the cup.

If it were an expansion team? Sure.


It was a team that’s been in the league for 25yrs.
- dadeadhead

Conventional branding theory in business says changes have to evolve, not revolutionize. It works if you introduce one or two new colors then gradually phase out the old colors, or alternatively you might modify the logo but not the colors.

But sports teams are beyond conventional branding theory, usually because they are tied so inextricably to a geographic area. Fans identify loyally to the team through geographic ties even when the color and logo change.

When teams move to new cities, they almost always keep the old color and logo to maintain that loyalty, unless they basically want to be seen as a while new expansion team. (I think the titans did this when they moved from Houston)

I slept last night at a Holiday Inn

Conventional branding theory in business says changes have to evolve, not revolutionize. It works if you introduce one or two new colors then gradually phase out the old colors, or alternatively you might modify the logo but not the colors.

But sports teams are beyond conventional branding theory, usually because they are tied so inextricably to a geographic area. Fans identify loyally to the team through geographic ties even when the color and logo change.

When teams move to new cities, they almost always keep the old color and logo to maintain that loyalty, unless they basically want to be seen as a while new expansion team. (I think the titans did this when they moved from Houston)

I slept last night at a Holiday Inn
- Der Kaiser

The Ravens did it too.

Hola, Buffalo fans, all you die hard freaks leave too many comments today (everyday) for me to even try to back-read through. So, forgive my buzzed ass if I'm repetitive, or if you think I'm out of line. This comment has nothing to do with anything specific said here today, just a sum of thoughts gathered from my mostly silent lurking here... Patience sucks, but it's what is needed in Sabreland. The actual total years of Sabres' struggles mean diddly to management. Bott's memory started when he was hired, your memories of the previous suck mean poop to him. It's hard to reset the frustration clock, but what else can you do? Should Botts throw good money after bad trying to undo past mistakes? Hasn't it always been next year, ( I don't mean the proverbial "next year", I actually mean, next year) that you've been looking forward to when the dead contracts go away that was the target for the Real Return to Relevance? Should Botts mortgage the future this summer to challenge for ninth? Would you rather he build a contender for ten years, or a get stupid for a one/two year dash for glory? Give him time and you may be shocked at what he builds. Yeah, I know idk poop about poop, but at least stop female doging so damn much about the past that is done and gone and unchangeable. What a fukking waste of time that is. ROR...GMTM....Scott Fukking Norwood... What's the fukking point, besides 20/20 hindsight female doging and bullpoopting about how smart you really were? Botts isn't gonna make chicken salad out of the chicken poop he was given overnight. Some are left hoping and believing that some Xbox type trades are gonna materialize, but you're not getting players like Huberdeau for players like Risto. Patience is really your only option, no matter your attitude towards being patient any longer than you've already had to be. Whatever year your futility counter is at, it has to be reset to when Botts took over. Blame the Pegulas all you want for their total time in charge, but Botts is only starting year three. Sorry, if this pisses you off, but it's all true. If you wanna come at me, I'll be the guy in a FL Panthers shirt and a Buffalo Bills hat behind the Staples in the Publix plaza, near First & First, somewhere in Palm Beach county.

Adam Oates was THE complimentary player.
- BeadyEyedDouche

It really, really bothers me to agree with you. Oates is what we hope Sam becomes.

Pretty sure Adam Oates was the only player not named Super Mario or the Great One to lead the league in assists in a 20 year span.

Glenn Anderson was a complimentary player.
- dadeadhead

You didn't read. Adam Oates did not drive play, he set others up, made others better. Like Getzlaf and Thornton. He complimented them. Complimentary player and generational talent have had their meanings twisted beyond recognition.

You really think Cheechoo scores 56 goals without Thornton? Thornton had 72 assists in 58 games for the Sharks that year.

Hola, Buffalo fans, all you die hard freaks leave too many comments today (everyday) for me to even try to back-read through. So, forgive my buzzed ass if I'm repetitive, or if you think I'm out of line. This comment has nothing to do with anything specific said here today, just a sum of thoughts gathered from my mostly silent lurking here... Patience sucks, but it's what is needed in Sabreland. The actual total years of Sabres' struggles mean diddly to management. Bott's memory started when he was hired, your memories of the previous suck mean poop to him. It's hard to reset the frustration clock, but what else can you do? Should Botts throw good money after bad trying to undo past mistakes? Hasn't it always been next year, ( I don't mean the proverbial "next year", I actually mean, next year) that you've been looking forward to when the dead contracts go away that was the target for the Real Return to Relevance? Should Botts mortgage the future this summer to challenge for ninth? Would you rather he build a contender for ten years, or a get stupid for a one/two year dash for glory? Give him time and you may be shocked at what he builds. Yeah, I know idk poop about poop, but at least stop female doging so damn much about the past that is done and gone and unchangeable. What a fukking waste of time that is. ROR...GMTM....Scott Fukking Norwood... What's the fukking point, besides 20/20 hindsight female doging and bullpoopting about how smart you really were? Botts isn't gonna make chicken salad out of the chicken poop he was given overnight. Some are left hoping and believing that some Xbox type trades are gonna materialize, but you're not getting players like Huberdeau for players like Risto. Patience is really your only option, no matter your attitude towards being patient any longer than you've already had to be. Whatever year your futility counter is at, it has to be reset to when Botts took over. Blame the Pegulas all you want for their total time in charge, but Botts is only starting year three. Sorry, if this pisses you off, but it's all true. If you wanna come at me, I'll be the guy in a FL Panthers shirt and a Buffalo Bills hat behind the Staples in the Publix plaza, near First & First, somewhere in Palm Beach county.
- Ratsreign

Thank you.

You didn't read. Adam Oates did not drive play, he set others up, made others better. Like Getzlaf and Thornton. He complimented them. Complimentary player and generational talent have had their meanings twisted beyond recognition.

You really think Cheechoo scores 56 goals without Thornton? Thornton had 72 assists in 58 games for the Sharks that year.
- Wetbandit1

So Jeff Skinner drives play cause he can put his stick on the ice and shoot into a half empty net and Eichel is a complimentary player. That’s your argument ?

Hola, Buffalo fans, all you die hard freaks leave too many comments today (everyday) for me to even try to back-read through. So, forgive my buzzed ass if I'm repetitive, or if you think I'm out of line. This comment has nothing to do with anything specific said here today, just a sum of thoughts gathered from my mostly silent lurking here... Patience sucks, but it's what is needed in Sabreland. The actual total years of Sabres' struggles mean diddly to management. Bott's memory started when he was hired, your memories of the previous suck mean poop to him. It's hard to reset the frustration clock, but what else can you do? Should Botts throw good money after bad trying to undo past mistakes? Hasn't it always been next year, ( I don't mean the proverbial "next year", I actually mean, next year) that you've been looking forward to when the dead contracts go away that was the target for the Real Return to Relevance? Should Botts mortgage the future this summer to challenge for ninth? Would you rather he build a contender for ten years, or a get stupid for a one/two year dash for glory? Give him time and you may be shocked at what he builds. Yeah, I know idk poop about poop, but at least stop female doging so damn much about the past that is done and gone and unchangeable. What a fukking waste of time that is. ROR...GMTM....Scott Fukking Norwood... What's the fukking point, besides 20/20 hindsight female doging and bullpoopting about how smart you really were? Botts isn't gonna make chicken salad out of the chicken poop he was given overnight. Some are left hoping and believing that some Xbox type trades are gonna materialize, but you're not getting players like Huberdeau for players like Risto. Patience is really your only option, no matter your attitude towards being patient any longer than you've already had to be. Whatever year your futility counter is at, it has to be reset to when Botts took over. Blame the Pegulas all you want for their total time in charge, but Botts is only starting year three. Sorry, if this pisses you off, but it's all true. If you wanna come at me, I'll be the guy in a FL Panthers shirt and a Buffalo Bills hat behind the Staples in the Publix plaza, near First & First, somewhere in Palm Beach county.
- Ratsreign

What's the difference between Norwood and Tage Thompson?

Thompson misses wide to both sides

I honestly think this team is far better than people think -



Montour was not here all of last year
Colin Miller is an upgrade
Mittelstadt will improve
Olofsson is quite possibly a stud
Thompson could be better
Ullmark and Hutton should be better
Nylander *could* surprise
I believe Risto will be moved for a good player

I truly think that we’re fine and have better organizational depth than people think
- sbroads24

I thought all advanced stats said Montour is not that good?

They’re terrible.


Only an idiot changes the teams colors and emblem.

Sorry but it’s a sin there are banners hanging in the arena with an emblem and colors other than the standing buffalo and blue and gold.
- dadeadhead

Yeah, no sh¡t. LA never should've gotten away from the "Forum Blue". LA, Anaheim, Phoenix, Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, Washington. At least most of them learned their lesson and went back at least partially to the good ones.

I think Dallas is the only team to really nail a palette switch. Nashville too, but I think I may be alone in that.

You didn't read. Adam Oates did not drive play, he set others up, made others better. Like Getzlaf and Thornton. He complimented them. Complimentary player and generational talent have had their meanings twisted beyond recognition.

You really think Cheechoo scores 56 goals without Thornton? Thornton had 72 assists in 58 games for the Sharks that year.
- Wetbandit1

Thornton deserves to go to the Hall if for nothing else other than making cheechoo a thing. Talk about burning bright and flaming out

So Jeff Skinner drives play cause he can put his stick on the ice and shoot into a half empty net and Eichel is a complimentary player. That’s your argument ?
- Swedish_Jesus

I don't think I'd put either one into either category.

Skinner is a finisher.

Jack is kind of a jack-of-all-trades. He absolutely can be a complimentary player once set up in the zone. Or he can carry the puck in, make people look stupid and bury it.

Conventional branding theory in business says changes have to evolve, not revolutionize. It works if you introduce one or two new colors then gradually phase out the old colors, or alternatively you might modify the logo but not the colors.

But sports teams are beyond conventional branding theory, usually because they are tied so inextricably to a geographic area. Fans identify loyally to the team through geographic ties even when the color and logo change.

When teams move to new cities, they almost always keep the old color and logo to maintain that loyalty, unless they basically want to be seen as a while new expansion team. (I think the titans did this when they moved from Houston)

I slept last night at a Holiday Inn
- Der Kaiser

Minnesota did this for their dark jerseys.



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- Ratsreign

Guys, I think I deciphered his code. Now it all makes sense.

I think Dallas is the only team to really nail a palette switch. Nashville too, but I think I may be alone in that.
- Wetbandit1

Nope. They were gigantic upgrades for both teams.

Guys, I think I deciphered his code. Now it all makes sense.
- BeadyEyedDouche

It’s one of those Magic Eyes. Stare at it and squint your eyes. Eventually you will see the Conn Smythe Trophy appear.

You didn't read. Adam Oates did not drive play, he set others up, made others better. Like Getzlaf and Thornton. He complimented them. Complimentary player and generational talent have had their meanings twisted beyond recognition.

You really think Cheechoo scores 56 goals without Thornton? Thornton had 72 assists in 58 games for the Sharks that year.
- Wetbandit1

Actually players like Oates, Thornton, and Getzlaf are the ones that drive the play. If not for them, guys like Cheecho don’t score.

And if you don’t think Thornton who is 14th all time in points is a generational player than you and I can’t speak anymore.

We can only hope Eichel puts up those numbers.

Oh and Oates is 18th all time in scoring, 7th in assists.