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dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 2 @ 1:04 PM ET


too bad at least 6 of the ten are 6/7 or less value

- SabresFaninIndiana



Yeah well 5 of the guys that played in that game were 9’s or worse.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Jul 2 @ 1:04 PM ET
"Anaheim – After trading Montour to Buffalo for the left-handed Brendan Guhle, the Ducks are thin on the right side with Josh Hanson and Korbinian Holzer. Anaheim is no longer a Stanley Cup favorite, but adding Ristolainen to a group that includes Ryan Getzlaf, Adam Henrique and Cam Fowler would go over well. Versatile Rickard Rakell is one of the few forwards without a no-trade clause."
- Sabre_Tooth



https://youtu.be/u9fygxmaaEM

Watch him be clutch
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 2 @ 1:05 PM ET
How about we get to .500 first

Which as it stands this roster is virtually the same as the one that did not make it there.

- ImThatGuy


But here’s the thing...

We could overpay on these mid tier (at best guys) and they could possibly help get us to the playoffs- but not much further realistically
BUT
Those guys will also be locked in, taking up Cap Space, PREVENTING us from being able to afford the type of guys that can really help make a difference for us

You PAY for top talent
Not 7mil for guys like Hayes, etc
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 2 @ 1:06 PM ET
11.05 and they can’t match. They don’t have the cap space.
Granted you could go 10% over.
But ceici is getting 4.5 and kerfoot is getting 4.5.

They would have to clear out 10 mil in cap space.

Edit - not just for Buffalo but for any team.

- ImThatGuy



You have 7 days to match. You use that time to move salary out...then match.
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jul 2 @ 1:06 PM ET
Lehner also came out and said the Isles did him dirty by offering him low term and money. They gave him an ultimatum and when he came back to try to get a little more money they had already moved onto Varlamov.

That's why he ended up in chicago.

- Sabre_Tooth

Another Lehner excuse...

He's full of them.
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jul 2 @ 1:08 PM ET
Rakell turns it up like little joe in the playoffs .. But I don’t see the ducks moving him
- gerbe75pts

thats great and all... but him alone does not get us in the playoffs.. especially along with the loss of Risto
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 2 @ 1:08 PM ET
I'm not going to play this game. There's range of success between where we are, and cup contenders.

I believe that we should have done more to bridge that divide up until this point so we end up further along on the spectrum of success.

Vesey and Wilson. Wonderful. Vesey will replace Pominville's 15 goals.

Now you're going to tell me that if we're not going to be contenders this year, we don't have to worry about getting better this year.

Go for it

- jcragcrumple


Moves like Hayes for example would make us better,
but not good enough to be contenders

Then we are stuck with his 7mil,
and not able to add legit players that could help make us contenders

And if u “don’t wanna play the game” and say what moves we should’ve done,
then quit whining
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jul 2 @ 1:09 PM ET
Yeah well 5 of the guys that played in that game were 9’s or worse.
- dadeadhead

oh yeah i was more going for the value of what we would get it return.. if that was our D for that game we probably would have won.. but when Rory Fitz is your 3rd highest minutes guy you are in trouble
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 2 @ 1:11 PM ET
Moves like Hayes for example would make us better,
but not good enough to be contenders

Then we are stuck with his 7mil,
and not able to add legit players that could help make us contenders

And if u “don’t wanna play the game” and say what moves we should’ve done,
then quit whining

- jdfitz77



Ok

This is very exciting
Sabre_Tooth
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We're all Duane, NE
Joined: 06.17.2015

Jul 2 @ 1:13 PM ET
https://youtu.be/u9fygxmaaEM

Watch him be clutch

- gerbe75pts



That video gave me a 3/4 chub
Sabre_Tooth
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We're all Duane, NE
Joined: 06.17.2015

Jul 2 @ 1:14 PM ET
thats great and all... but him alone does not get us in the playoffs.. especially along with the loss of Risto
- SabresFaninIndiana



It would help.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jul 2 @ 1:14 PM ET
Ok

This is very exciting

- jcragcrumple


Can’t wait for the season too start.

This team has the potential to go very far with the moves they have made to date!!!!
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jul 2 @ 1:15 PM ET
He also said that he didn't want to go that many years with some players, which is fine, and understandable. So I think some of them would have come here if he offered the years.

But if he's not going to offer competitive contracts to FAs, then he needs to supplement the team via trade.

Which is what we're all waiting for, and Jimmy Vesey doesn't count. I'm super surprised that people are good with this overly patient approach. Or maybe people are just ambivalent now. We should have done more to this point in the off-season.

The problem is that he has an excuse for every non-move

No one wanted pick 31

He didn't want to give up too many years to FAs

He has a lot of excuses for why the team looks like it does

- jcragcrumple



When the Sabres make a few moves over the next 2-3 months, all your crying is gonna make you look foolish.

Its July 2nd .

Go root for another team. Dallas spent a ton of money yesterday. Get yourself a stars hat.


As I've been saying:

Phail lousley could be the reason we sucked.
1st time head coach

Teams aren't built thru July 1st free agency
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 2 @ 1:16 PM ET
But here’s the thing...

We could overpay on these mid tier (at best guys) and they could possibly help get us to the playoffs- but not much further realistically
BUT
Those guys will also be locked in, taking up Cap Space, PREVENTING us from being able to afford the type of guys that can really help make a difference for us

You PAY for top talent
Not 7mil for guys like Hayes, etc

- jdfitz77



Tim Murray signed a bunch of guys to contracts that we are desperate to get out from under. That's why this roster sucks so hard in the first place.

The last thing I need Jason Botterill to do is give even more guys contracts that we will be desperate to get out from under before they are half over.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 2 @ 1:17 PM ET
When the Sabres make a few moves over the next 2-3 months, all your crying is gonna make you look foolish.

Its July 2nd .

Go root for another team. Dallas spent a ton of money yesterday. Get yourself a stars hat.


As I've been saying:

Phail lousley could be the reason we sucked.
1st time head coach

Teams aren't built thru July 1st free agency

- Boss34


Looking forward to it
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 2 @ 1:18 PM ET
So if we offersheet money mitch or Point you would honestly care what happens in the future ? If it wins us a cup we can be crappy for another decade and I wouldn’t care
- gerbe75pts


So you believe they are that 1 player short of being a cup ccontender.
Good to know.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jul 2 @ 1:20 PM ET
Tim Murray signed a bunch of guys to contracts that we are desperate to get out from under.

The last thing I need Jason Botterill to do is give even more guys contracts that we will be desperate to get out from under before they are half over.

- buffalofan19


Ah yes the old Tim Murray thing.

The next person that mentiones Murray I hope they get kicked in the nuts 100 times.

Just because Murray was a bad GM does not mean Botts will also be.

Also can someone tell me other than Bobrovsky what deals were “asinine, lunacy” as you all are putting it.

ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jul 2 @ 1:21 PM ET
When the Sabres make a few moves over the next 2-3 months, all your crying is gonna make you look foolish.

Its July 2nd .

Go root for another team. Dallas spent a ton of money yesterday. Get yourself a stars hat.


As I've been saying:

Phail lousley could be the reason we sucked.
1st time head coach

Teams aren't built thru July 1st free agency

- Boss34



Ted Nolan was the reason they sucked.

Dan Bylsma was the reason they sucked.

Phil Housley was the reason the sucked.

I see a theme here.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jul 2 @ 1:23 PM ET
The Sabres should fire there entire development staff and start plucking staffer from Tampa, Anaheim etc teams that seem to develop pe players from anywhere they are picked.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jul 2 @ 1:24 PM ET
Looking forward to it
- jcragcrumple



Seriously, what free agents really wanted to join the buffalo Sabres?

Is that jbotts fault that we are the armpit of the east?
Hes only been here for 2 years.

I'll remind you everytime he makes a significant roster move to improve the sabres.

The last 2 years got us dahlin and cozens by design.
We killed off 2 more years of okposos terrible contract and our stars all aged another year.

It's time here in Buffalo. Minimum 90 points next year
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jul 2 @ 1:24 PM ET

Jesse Granger

@JesseGranger_
Projecting KHL superstar Nikita Gusev’s possible impact on the Golden Knights

Gusev was better in the KHL than Panarin, Radulov & Dadonov. @domluszczyszyn model projects his worth at 1.6-1.8 wins, which is similar to Alex Tuch & Erik Haula.



@Gerbe
I don’t know who domluszcyszyn is, but his model says Gusev is probably worth $4M per year.
RippedFuel
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 11.01.2016

Jul 2 @ 1:24 PM ET
Ted Nolan was the reason they sucked.

Dan Bylsma was the reason they sucked.

Phil Housley was the reason the sucked.

I see a theme here.

- ImThatGuy


A caller on GR last night was saying the same thing about Risto. "its coaching, he needs a real coach". My first thought was..."Nolan was no good, Disco Dan was no good, Housley was no good...when is it Risto's fault that he's terrible??"
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jul 2 @ 1:26 PM ET
A caller on GR last night was saying the same thing about Risto. "its coaching, he needs a real coach". My first thought was..."Nolan was no good, Disco Dan was no good, Housley was no good...when is it Risto's fault that he's terrible??"
- RippedFuel

Where are they all coaching now?

Not that I think it's all the coaches fault.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jul 2 @ 1:26 PM ET
Ted Nolan was the reason they sucked.

Dan Bylsma was the reason they sucked.

Phil Housley was the reason the sucked.

I see a theme here.

- ImThatGuy



Nolan deserves zero blame.
The cards were stacked against him , on purpose.

You must remember the mceichel draft right?

Bylsma was average to below

Phail was terrible. How can you defend him?

buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 2 @ 1:27 PM ET
Ah yes the old Tim Murray thing.

The next person that mentiones Murray I hope they get kicked in the nuts 100 times.

Just because Murray was a bad GM does not mean Botts will also be.

Also can someone tell me other than Bobrovsky what deals were “asinine, lunacy” as you all are putting it.

- ImThatGuy



Zuccarello's deal would fall under that category.

Donskoi's deal was fine, but we don't know what Buffalo offered (or if they offered), or how much more it would have taken to get him to choose Buffalo over Colorado.

Nyquist: see Donskoi.

Those deals were fine, but they were at the ceiling of "fine". Any higher in salary or term, and you're in Tim Murray territory.

Fact of the matter is, this team was always going to be changed via the trade market, and we all knew this since St. Louis hoisted the Cup last month.
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